1967 Camaro with j52 option
 

I just bought back a 67 camaro that I had purchased in 1988 from the third owner and has just 44, 000 original miles on it. My question is this car is a plane jane 327 275 hp with 4 speed, 12 bolt rear, j52 disc brakes, and deluxe interior. Car is not a rally sport or super sport, how many cars were optioned out like this and is this considered a muscle car?

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I don't consider it a muscle car because pony cars are not muscle cars. ;-)

Now that I got that out of the way, yeah, I think it's a muscle car. I think it's kinda neat too - much more interesting than an SS 350.

Weren't the '67 327/275 cars a little more special than those that followed?

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Any car originally equipped with a 12 bolt qualifies in my book.

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4 bbl 4 spd 12 bolt..its a muscle car..and a sleeper....

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Any 67 without spoilers is awesome whether it's a 6 cyl. or a 396. Great original car!

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Definitely a muscle car. 4 speed and a twelve bolt, enuff said. I love the deluxe interior. Have you decoded the trim tag?

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pxtx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any car originally equipped with a 12 bolt qualifies in my book. </div></div>
Even a 70 caprice with a 350-300hp with a 1 legger 278 12 bolt????
Ill betcha that camaro only has a saginaw 4 speed in it. Muscle car? Grey area. Nice car thou.

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Yes here is pictures of window sticker and break down of protecto plate and cowl tag.

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I thought the 4P was SS-350?

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: x77-69z28</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I thought the 4P was SS-350? </div></div>

Was also used for the L30/M20.

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L30/M20's and the 69 LM1's are cool..... Maybe not worth that much more, but I like em'.

Traction Bar on the 12 Bolt?

Rich

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Well since I consider my 65 a muscle car and the Z16 never came with a posi, the I guess I don't require one in my criteria though certainly prefer them. As for gearing, i guess it doesn't matter either since it is so application specific. I love my 88's and probably don't appreciate cars with 2 and 3 series gears as much as I should. A Caprice with a 4.10 open or posi would be cool but clearly less popular. Heck- I really seem to be focused on 65-69 cars so anything 1970 and up I just don't have nearly as much exposure to. Good questions Donnie. I had to think about it for a bit- especially the posi one.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GTO_DON</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pxtx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any car originally equipped with a 12 bolt qualifies in my book. </div></div>
Even a 70 caprice with a 350-300hp with a 1 legger 278 12 bolt????
Ill betcha that camaro only has a saginaw 4 speed in it. Muscle car? Grey area. Nice car thou. </div></div>

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Nice car----could we see some engine photos? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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Car has 12 bolt with traction bar on passenger side I'll post some pictures of engine compartment when I get home

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And Dual Exhaust too.

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Here is pictures of under hood along with trunk shot. I have traced this car down to the original owner who sold car to second owner in Highland NC, then car was sold to third owner in 1984 and then to me in 1988. I have all original manuals, protecto plate, and manuals along with window sticker for car. Car was all original paint untouched when third owner bought car and was repainted in the 80's back in laquir and detailed under hood. Car has had only about 1200 miles put on it since 1994. Car won best Camaro in 1995 super chevy gainsville fl have trophys and magazine from april 1996 edition.

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Great looking car!

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That is a really cool car. I never knew that MANUAL disc brakes were available?? Was this '67-only?

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Yes, that was '67 only. This car does not have the correct master cylinder but is still a very neat car.

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Very cool and desirable Camaro. I've had a few of these over the years, just never considered them a muscle car.

I had a '67 Impala SS Convertible, 4 speed, with power disk brakes and the 327/275 HP engine.

Fun car to cruise around, but I never really considered that a muscle car either?

It's amazing how many people with 327 Camaros insist that they have a real SS car, because of the 4P code on the tag.

Very nice Camaro!

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Is a SS350 a &quot;muscle car&quot;? I would bet that with the right gears, an L30 car could run right with a SS350 with standard 3.31s. The L30 is really an identical engine to the 350 in all respects (heads, cam, etc), just a 1/4&quot; shorter stroke for 23 less cubes.

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The last owner says this is the correct master cylinder the part # is L2229771. If this is not correct what is?

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I have a 67 RS/SS with manual disc brakes. The car is in storage right now and we just got 15 inches of snow, I will look thru my pics and see if I have a part number. The single bail wire to hold the lid on is a 70 and up thing. I love the car.
Buddy

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Your master cylinder should resemble this one.

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Disregard the remote oil filer in the picture but this is what the J52 non-power assist master cylinder looks like. It mounts level rather than tilted as in the J50/J52 combo. It's shaped slightly different and has no bleeders.

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Here is one for 67 Nova with manual factory Disc brakes. No bleeders is correct

Not sure if 67 Camaro are the same &quot;AD&quot; code as the 67 Nova is as the M/C casting number #5459467 for

4 piston calipers.

Here is some info FWIW...

67 Camaro M/C

Dave
67 Nova Boy

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Looks similar to 67 Corvette w/o power brakes as well??? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img]

Jake

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Do you know where I can get one is this one for sale?

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Nice car!
Another MC pic and info is here: http://www.camaros.org/suspen.shtml#Brakecomp

The window sticker is not original, btw.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: drdave69</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: x77-69z28</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I thought the 4P was SS-350? </div></div>

Was also used for the L30/M20. </div></div>


Plus 4P used for the early L78 cars too.
[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]
~ Pete

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These M/C are very hard to find as well as the original lids in non rusted condition. It took me 15 years to find one and then I found two more. All have been restored by Jeff at Karps and the lids were done by Steve at Brake boosters inc. Both places are in California. I have over $700 in each one with S/S sleeves/Powder coated and lids and bails plated.

You could try Jeff Watts at Karps to see if he has any. 1-909-985-0800

Dave
67 Nova Boy

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I believe the first Z-28's were coded 4P as well.

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My mistake I missed the non PB package.

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GMNOS: Thank you for posting your Camaro L30. I have a similar 67 Camaro made about 5 months prior to yours but at the same plant. Mine is a 10C LOS L30 RS with a floor shift 3- speed. That means it also has a 10-bolt rear with standard PA 3.08 gears. I bought mine in Sept. of 1976 with ~80,000 miles. It was not modified much with only dress up items added such as 14x10 chrome slots &amp; L60 tires on the back and chrome reverses on the front, The engine had a chrome air cleaner, chrome oil filler cap/ breather, &amp; aftermarket Accel chrome coil added. While the drive train was all original at the time I bought it,young foolishness on my part resulted in the original block &amp; heads now being gone, but all of the other drive train components &amp; attachments are still in place, even the original lower radiator hose. I also haven't driven this car in about 25 years. This leads me to some questions from all who can help and are interested.

A simple, or maybe not, question about the disc brakes; which my car does not have but intrigues me. I note on the picture of the &quot;window sticker&quot;, no listing for the 14x6 wheels which were optionally available on non SS cars. Do your Rally Wheels have the 14x5 DA code by the valve Stem? I always thought the non-power disc brake MC's were strange. Any idea why Chevy did that? Was the same setup potentially available on full size, chevelle, &amp; nova's in 1967 if power brakes were not ordered separately? What about the Corvette from 1965 to 1967? Did this disc brake version disappear from all lines in 1968 and make power disc brakes the only way discs were available?

Next, I am interested in some small details from your engine picture. As I said, I purchased mine in 1976 and believe the engine had never been out or messed with much before I bought it. I have no recollection of the black 275 hp decals on the side of your valve covers ever being on mine when I bought it. Can anyone confirm those decals should have been on my 10C build or that an engine dress change might of happened. Or could it be a maybe/maybe not type situation? 2nd, like I said, mine had a chrome oil cap breather added and possibly the owner at the time may have thought the tube down to the intake manifold would look better in chevy orange as that is the only way I have ever seen mine. I understand your car and mine are not the potentially more valuable SS or Z/28's, though yours certainly is due to low miles &amp; condition. Mine could also be with some money and time invested in it, and I slowly am, it is not a beat up, rusted out, or modified car; and most original components are still there and being a 10C build, has many of the first design parts or lack of the parts added later during the production run. These kind of small details on any car just fascinate me. Any comments or questions are greatly appreciated.

Just in case anyone is interested,here is the cowl tag for my 67. Both of my Camaros' are listed in the CRG database.

10C 0700
67-12437 LOS 6152 BODY
760-Z R-R PAINT
W 2G 3L

Loren

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Hi Loren, I think the stickers were added I have pictures of car from 1984 before engine compartment was detailed and there were no stickers on valve covers then. As for the rally wheels they came with the disc brake option the standard wheels would not clear disc brake calipers.

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Thank you. No, what I meant is that while 14x5 C code inch wheels are the standard width wheels on 67 Camaros',ordering optional disc brakes didn't change the wheel width to the 14x6 inch width DG code disc brake wheel optionaly available on the SS models. On a standard Camaro, the optional width wheels had to be ordered separately themselves from ordering disc brakes meaning a non-SS Camaro equipped with disc brakes should have 14x5 DA code Ralley wheels, while if a 67 Camaro was ordered with optional width wheels, 14x6 inch FC code drum brake wheels were used unless disc brakes were also ordered, then DG code 14x6 inch Ralleys were used, both being the standard wheels for SS's, depending on the brake system. All SS Camaros' would have 14x6 inch wheels, whether ordered with disc brakes or not. These DA wheels were also used on the 1967 Nova when ordered with disc brakes. Does anyone know if a 1967 non SS Chevelle ordered with disc brakes also have used the DA code 14x5 inch Ralleys?

Having said all this, I noticed that the optional 14x6 inch wheels are not listed on your window sticker and so I was looking for confirmation to what I wrote that your Ralley wheels are 14x5 DA code which are not all that common.

I hope this is better than clear as mud, but we'll see how many replies I get. I also suspect I should have left the &quot;e&quot; out of all my Rall&quot;e&quot;y wheel descriptions.

Loren

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Agreed, should be DA's.
Discussed here http://www.camaros.org/options.shtml#wcovers and shown on the wheel table.

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Hi Loren I checked my wheels and they are the DA coded by valve stem.

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Hi is this the correct master cylinder I need for J52 brakes has part # 5459467 can not read the letter stamped on flat part

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Yep...that is the one. Code will be &quot;AD&quot; 1&quot; bore and no bleeders.

Dave
67 Nova Boy