Mecum Kissimmee Gold 69 COPO - Thoughts?
 

Considering this car but wondering the shifter handle appears incorrect. It looks flat instead of round. Any why an aftermarket battery in such a nice restoration? Is the 120 Speedo correct or should it have a 140MPH? Does anyone have any more info on this car? Not sure the colors Gold/green are the best choice for an investment... Thanks

See: http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_de...=FL0113-143506

Any feedback is greatly appreciated.

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The car is known and documented.

Only COPOs also equipped with COPO 9737 had a 140 mph speedo; the 120 is correct for this car.

The shifter appears to be a Hurst Comp Plus, a common 'Day 2' modification. For a driver, particularly one that will be started often at an auction a modern battery is more reliable.

Sorry, can't rationalize the color/trim combo.

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hi i owed that car for 20 years yes wrong shifter handle that car has one of the best bodys out thier i am a painter i stripped that car of the original paint... the foors are perfect all origanal drive train when i sold the car in 1998

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I'm diggin' the color combo! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif[/img]

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As a big fan of oddball color combos, I'm digging the heck out of that car and would walk past 50 orange and red ones to see it but to be brutally honest, if somebody just wanted to purchase a COPO for an investment opportunity than they should probably find one of the more popular colors.

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Sounds like one heck of a car. If it were me, I would change the steering wheel out, to tone down the green impact against the gold. If the shifter is not correct, might as well do a few other things to help it, without changing everything. I bet it sells well.

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This is such a great site - where else could you ask for info on a car &amp; have the owner of 20 years respond with such valuable feedback?

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Love the color combo.. Wow what a COPO

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I sold this COPO originally. It was the only COPO we ordered as the others we sold were from stock. The car was sold to a gentleman by the name of DiSilva from Belmont Chev Olds performance division.It was raced and the engine was grenaded!! He replaced it with a 454 and it was a big secret as he didn't want anyone to know so he could still race in the same class. The fact that it is being sold with the original engine is a complete fraud. I've contacted Mecum about this but I really don't expect a reply. There are more bogus COPO's out there than the factory ever produced. Buyer beware

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hotrodmac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I sold this COPO originally. It was the only COPO we ordered as the others we sold were from stock. The car was sold to a gentleman by the name of DiSilva from Belmont Chev Olds performance division.It was raced and the engine was grenaded!! He replaced it with a 454 and it was a big secret as he didn't want anyone to know so he could still race in the same class. The fact that it is being sold with the original engine is a complete fraud. I've contacted Mecum about this but I really don't expect a reply. There are more bogus COPO's out there than the factory ever produced. Buyer beware </div></div>

&quot;hi i owed that car for 20 years yes wrong shifter handle that car has one of the best bodys out thier i am a painter i stripped that car of the original paint... the foors are perfect all origanal drive train when i sold the car in 1998&quot;

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Welcome aboard Mac. What dealership did you sell at? Thanks for the input.

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I worked at Belmont Chev Olds in Toronto. My partner and I drove to Oshawa to meet the General Sales Mgr for Chevrolet and he gave us the COPO #'s to order Camaros and Chevelles. We ordered 10 Camaros and 5 Chevelles. This gold on green was an ordered car specifically for this customer. I tried to talk him out of the color combo but the customer is always right... right? Cheers, hotrodmac

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Do you remember any of the Copo Chevelles from Belmont having drum brakes? I have Canadian docs showing the 9737 option on a few Canadian sold Copo Chevelles with power drum no disc listed. Perhaps for racing?
Mark

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They all had disc brakes. We were told that it was a mandatory option. Dave

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: camaromb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you remember any of the Copo Chevelles from Belmont having drum brakes? I have Canadian docs showing the 9737 option on a few Canadian sold Copo Chevelles with power drum no disc listed. Perhaps for racing?
Mark </div></div>

Do you have a copy of the Canadian doc? GM of Canada sometimes uses the wrong decyphering code book for making the docs. For example, the GM of Canada docs dated 1993 for my 455 HO Formula shows the correct explanation for K77 as &quot;Unitized Ignition&quot; option. The 2011 GM of Canada docs show K77 as &quot;90 Amp Alternator&quot;. I spoke with George Z at GM of Canada and he said that they have to use the correct year code book to end up with the correct documents. He offered to redo the 2011 version so it would be correct. Maybe that is why your docs are showing drims instead of discs? Could be a later code interpretation?

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefano</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hotrodmac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I sold this COPO originally. It was the only COPO we ordered as the others we sold were from stock. The car was sold to a gentleman by the name of DiSilva from Belmont Chev Olds performance division.It was raced and the engine was grenaded!! He replaced it with a 454 and it was a big secret as he didn't want anyone to know so he could still race in the same class. The fact that it is being sold with the original engine is a complete fraud. I've contacted Mecum about this but I really don't expect a reply. There are more bogus COPO's out there than the factory ever produced. Buyer beware </div></div>

&quot;hi i owed that car for 20 years yes wrong shifter handle that car has one of the best bodys out thier i am a painter i stripped that car of the original paint... the foors are perfect all origanal drive train when i sold the car in 1998&quot;

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So who is incorrect?

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Hotrodmac, I would believe that the car was considered a &quot;colour trim overide&quot; on the paperwork ? ,and did he have to acknowledge in writing that there were no returns on the car once it was ordered ?

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Override? What for? Olympic Gold had 3 factory recommended interior colors-Black, Parchment w/ Black, and DARK GREEN. Standard order all the way.....

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Here we go again, another COPO story?

Read below (an exerpt from Yenko.net in January 2009) from a VERY reputable member who actually ran Belmonts Performance Division at Belmont Chev Olds in the 60's - 70's.

There certainly appears to be a HUGE gap in the accuracy of events in regards to the status of the engine in this COPO.


Belmont COPOs

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Besides running Lance Hill's Racing Engine and Lance Hill's Tech Center I also ran Belmont's Performance Division along with Dave Mackay. We ordered every performance car Belmont sold. Our initial COPO order was for 10 9561 Camaros and 5 9562 Chevelles, including a hugger orange 4-spd I used as a daily driver. These were for stock. We sold them pretty quick and ordered more, in addition to customer-ordered COPOs. One customer order we remember was gold with a green interior.
At the time Belmont was the largest volume Chevy dealer in Canada, and we also moved more COPO stuff than anybody else.
Central Chev in London, Ontario, where my buddy Wayne &quot;Hub&quot; Huber operated their performance division, also moved a good number.
I can tell you guys that none of them ever came off the truck looking nearly as pretty as the restos.

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#354543 - 01/23/09 04:11 PM Re: Belmont COPOs [Re: midyr]

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That Gold w/ Green guts car would probably be the car sold new to Willard Clements and recently advertised for sale http://staging.motorbase.com/auction...id/1571601122/

Being involved w/ Belmont and Central through these years, can you tell us anything about factory built '68-70 L78 Novas being delivered w/ L89 Aluminum Heads?.
Not dealer mods but installed on the cars...same as Camaros or not?.

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#354544 - 01/23/09 05:55 PM Re: Belmont COPOs [Re: PeteLeathersac]

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This car has not [/b]had its original motor since a few months after delivery. Willard had it towed in to Belmont on a chain with lettering still on the windows from flogging it at Cayuga Dragway. There were windows in the block too, from rods coming through. We said no way for warranty Willard. So he ordered up a replacement. The car was used hard for as long as Willard had it. Another thing, if it went 11s at Indy, it must have been dropped from an airplane. Where do the claimed numbers on these cars come from???

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Override? What for? Olympic Gold had 3 factory recommended interior colors-Black, Parchment w/ Black, and DARK GREEN. Standard order all the way..... So you are saying copos/yenkos all had the same &quot;suggested&quot; color combinations as any other model. ?

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hi as CAMRAONOS said about this car the gold copo i bought this car in 1978 i was 21 years old i looked this car over really good i new this car is worth a lot of money with the original engine i spent 5,000 dollars a put in another 427 in 1979 and stored the original engine until 1998 when i sold the car WIHT THE ORIGINAL ENGINE.... VIN ON THE SIDE OF BLOCK MATCHED THE CAR why would i build another engine if this one did not match belmont chev sold 2 gold copos the other gold one is painted marron i would swear on a stak of biblesthis 110 percent true BARRY ALLAN

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tom406</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Override? What for? Olympic Gold had 3 factory recommended interior colors-Black, Parchment w/ Black, and DARK GREEN. Standard order all the way..... </div></div>


https://www.yenko.net/attachments/use...8-dsc_0478.jpg

absolutely nothing wrong with that color combo (I would swap out the steering wheel though)

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if BARRY says it had the original motor, it had the original motor. take it to the bank.

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Mecum says car comes with original bill of sale. If it isn't from Belmont Chev Olds and sold by Dave Mackay to Charles DiSilva then this car is not the one I sold. The DiSilva car blew up at Cayuga Dragway early in it's life and as I stated earlier he replaced it with a 454.

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I quit this site and a few others some time ago because of self-appointed know-it-alls who were NOT THERE presuming to tell those few of us left WHO WERE THERE what is right or wrong about these old puppies. Thus I will say this one more time, in addition to making a slight clarification:

This car cannot have its original born-with block in it. The born-with block was destroyed when the rods came through the sides. The block had windows. It could not be repaired. I know. I was there. I saw the engine. I was consulted on whether it should be warranteed or not.

I would be more than happy to testify to this under oath in a Court of Law. Moreover, any individual wishing to formally dispute this is more than welcome to file suit against me and have all revealed in the Courts. Please do. There has been far too much deliberate, knowing fraud with these cars. It needs to stop.

Dave Mackay and I together ran the High Performance Division of Belmont Chev-Olds in Toronto. Davey has been one of my closest friends for most of our lives, in fact for years prior to our involvement with Belmont. We still talk frequently. Dave Mackay has as much principle, integrity, and conscience as anybody I know. I damn well wish more did. As stated above in a previous post, Belmont was the largest volume new car dealer in Canada, of any brand, and one of the largest and most successful in North America. We moved a lot of muscle. We kept meticulous records. They may still exist. I'm working on it. I already have original sales files for Gorries Chev-Olds and Golden Mile Chev-Olds from 1953 up into the 1990s.

For some reason I thought this was the Willard Clements COPO. Davey says Willard's was another car and I accept the clarification. Davey wrote up the order and most likely signed off on the Bill of Sale, although on occasion that could also be me or the Sales Manager. Davey would know.

That is the full extent of what I have to say on this subject, or any other, for that matter. I will not be back.

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Midyr...Here is your earlier quote:

&quot;midyr

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This car has not [/b]had its original motor since a few months after delivery. Willard had it towed in to Belmont on a chain with lettering still on the windows from flogging it at Cayuga Dragway. There were windows in the block too, from rods coming through. We said no way for warranty Willard. So he ordered up a replacement. The car was used hard for as long as Willard had it. Another thing, if it went 11s at Indy, it must have been dropped from an airplane. Where do the claimed numbers on these cars come from???&quot;

So now are you saying there are two copo's that windowed their blocks ? You were pretty adamant about how Willard continued to use it hard for as long as he owned it. You speak that as if you knew Willard. Are you sure the car at auction is the one Willard owned ? Now I'm getting really confused.

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There were two copo's sold that were green, if we had vin#s of both those cars it would be easier to figure out that this is or is not that car.

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----Roger,,,Are you saying 2 with green interior? Because it sounds like you are talking about two green painted cars which arent part of this thread. Just a clarification.....Bill S

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i sold this car 15 years ago i have NOTHING to gain why would i lie about the car i am not selling or buying..... if i had the money i would buy this car back

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Sounds to me like the car midyr has been referring to isn't even the same car as the one going to auction, but instead a different car the same dealership sold. If that's the case this needs to be clarified here and now.

People need to be sure they know what car they are talking about before deciding to drag it through the mud.

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yeah, what joe said. that is what i was trying to say.

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The gold COPO sold tonight for $ 130. Guy was sitting right in front of me and also bought the Gold Z S 161 for $ 95.

The Blue Mule was a no sale at $ 125. The white COPO sold at $ 130.

The silver ZL1 replica was a no sale at $ 75.

Wasn't there for the silver COPO on thursday, but it had a SOLD sign on it yesterday.

L 88's, ZR 2 bid to $ 450 and were No Sale. 63 Tempest bid to $ 325
No Sale. Cobra to $ 630 No Sale.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vern B</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Cobra to $ 630 No Sale. </div></div>

Thought same. Someone must've stepped-up (big) post-block on the Cobra ...?

http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_de...=FL0113-143483

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Silver copo brought 124000

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Cobra was a great car with less than 7,000 miles. Definitely not a car to flip in this market, but a beautiful centerpiece for any collection. Of all the copos, I liked the &quot;Blue Mule&quot; - neat options. The car just needed to spend a few days with one of the restorers on this site to fix some of the small issues - would have made a lot of difference on the block IMO.

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Don't know anything about the Gold/Green COPO other than it is a great looking car. I saw it in the staging lanes on Saturday. The White/Red COPO was also a beautiful car. Does anybody know what it was bid to?

Regards,

Mark

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 737Driver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't know anything about the Gold/Green COPO other than it is a great looking car. I saw it in the staging lanes on Saturday. The White/Red COPO was also a beautiful car. Does anybody know what it was bid to?

Regards,

Mark </div></div>

According to Vern B's post, it was sold for $130.

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I see it now...thnx

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these copo prices resemble those from last years auctions where the RG Roger Dean was bought by Rick H for 105 and Mark B's Cortez around 125. Considering the # of really nice cars on the market and that so many were hurt in this economy, I guess we should view it as a positive that certain cars have held their value, they are still trading hands &amp; not really devalued in the last year.

With housing, some manufacturing &amp; the stock market in rebound mode, it could be that we've hit a plateau and this is the new normal, or that better days/higher prices are ahead with car guy's being more confident in their cash-flow futures. It's still a buyers market now &amp; everybody with cash knows that

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That was MBs former Silver COPO which was sold prior at Mecum St Charles.