1967 "Motion" Corvette ????
 

Does anyone know anything about this corvette?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...vectorid=229466


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Re: 1967 "Motion" Corvette ????
 

Interesting....<span style="font-style: italic">from the ad</span> &quot;This car came from Reedman Motors (made famous by Baldwin Motion). It was ordered from the factory as a 435 HP, 427 as you will see on the Protecto plate and build sheet. Car has never been hit and appears to have had side pipes at some point. This car currently appears to have a Baldwin Motion 327 in it. The build sheet states that it was originally a military order. My theory is…… the original 427 (modified by Baldwin Motion) was blown up and replaced with a Baldwin Motion 327. I have no documentation of this, this is just my theory. At the very least it is an original paint, never been hit, 435 HP, 4-speed Corvette Coupe. At the very best it may be one of the earliest examples of a Baldwin Motion Corvette in existence.&quot;

Never heard of a BM 327 [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img] and yes, the earliest BM was the one and only in 1967, The Mason Chevelle

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It was a cool car originally with the 427/435.

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----Lets start with his statement about the interior probably being &quot;nearly perfect&quot; original. The interior in the pictures (carpet, door panels, seat covers, probably headliner) is entirely reproduction!
----Im not sure why he has this Reedman-Baldwin/Motion thing. Does anybody know weather Motion ever had anything to do with Reedman in Pennsylvania. Maybe so, but the connection seems weak to me at best.
----I see a Baldwin decal and a couple of Motion emblems that are easily procured. Thats it! Oh,,,and a Motion license plate frame.
----Hey, somebody straighten me out, but this seems like another stab at more value by association.
----The car has value (I wouldnt mind owning it) if some money is spent and a correct style motor is installed, but apparently this owner wants to avoid that path.......Bill S

Re: 1967 "Motion" Corvette ????
 

VIN 194377S100634

Appears this same car sold in July 2012 but without Motion fable?
http://www.corvette-dealers.com/used-for...t-Corvette.html

Booklet/POP and/or Tank sheet shown may be from different car(s) as Zone is outright wrong also Dealer Code nothing close to one of the known Reedman Codes of the era.
NCRS lists Zone # 21 Dealer Code #001 as Jantzen Chev St. Louis also their info notes tank sheets similar to this belonging to other serial # 67's.
Note Jantzen Chev. can be faintly seen on the Tank sheet shown in the ad too.

Saddest thing is w/ foolishness aside the car could be strong enough to stand on its own...also reach more $?

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That's very interesting at the bottom of the Build Sheet. I can see &quot;Export Preparation&quot; and &quot;Gene Janzten&quot; there. Gene Janzten was a performance-minded Chevrolet Dealer that was directly across the street from the St. Louis Corvette Assembly Plant and I've heard many local stories about Corvettes being driven from the plant to the dealership across the street for customer pick-up/delivery. They even had a few neat dealer sponsored Drag cars here in STL.

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Of course, there's no way to definitely tie that tank sheet to the car since there's no VIN on it.

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Isn't the handwritten &quot;130&quot; supposed to be the last three digits of the VIN or the last three digits plus 500? Some members here discussed it with regards to my 1969 Survivor L79 Corvette. Ed

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Pretty sure the hand written # on the tank sheet is a build sequence #, totally unrelated to the Vin also different yet to the assy. line Job # which was grease pencilled onto a few areas of the body.

Wonder if the subject car comes w/ the original build sheet shown or just a copy also more importantly does it belong w/ the car?
If tags are original to the car, jiving their info w/ what's on the sheet could narrow down possibilities of it belonging to the car or not?

Also regardless of where the car was picked up, shouldn't the dealer # info on the tank sheet be the ordering dealer where the invoice is billed to?
So if the POP is original to the Vin also tags original to the car and actually from Reedman there's no way the sheet belongs having Jantzen's dealer code info...or vice versa?

And isn't it Jantzen Chevy Mark, not Janzten?
Jantzen was the dealer the 3 '68 AIR Team L88's were picked up at even though they were ordered through Gledhill.


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~ Pete

Re: 1967 "Motion" Corvette ????
 

Some mighty fine detective work going on here to say the least...

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----Yup Don,,, Very good detective work on Petes part. Id still love some input on any connection between Reedman and Baldwin (not that I think there is any). In any event this seller is basicly busted IMHO!!!! Other than the profit motive I just cant figure out what he thought he would acomplish because what I pointed is so very simple to spot, and the old add just glues the whole thing together.......Bill S

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Think the three AIR cars were Clippinger Chevrolet in West Covina CA. The tank sheet numbers should have some relation to the actual VIN. My '67 17211 has 210 on the tank sheet. My '67 7228 has 227 on the tank sheet. I've always felt theres a strong relation, but it's not proof positive as I've seen some off by eight or nine digits. The plus 500 mentioned is true, also. VIN #663 has 163 written on it.

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It would be VERY hard to find a color match[rare colors] original build sheet 435 w super early build date to mate with the car. You still have to find a 435 tank sticker in those colors with about a few weeks from start of production.

Re: 1967 "Motion" Corvette ????
 

I grew up and still live 5 mins from Reedman Chevrolet. I have no memory of or have never heard of any Motion cars and/or connection between that dealer and Motion performance..for what it is worth...

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Pete,

I agree with the hand written numbers having no relation to each other. My 67 Lynndale Benchmark roadster was vin # 194677S103231 &amp; had 270 ? grease penciled on the firewall below the heater box. The tank sheet had a totally different number (which I don't remember) I sold it to a Tom O'Grady out of &quot;The Woodlands&quot; Texas in 1999. I sure mss that car!

Bill

Re: 1967 "Motion" Corvette ????
 

I never heard of a Reedman/Baldwin Motion thing either. As big as Reedman is and was not sure if they would need a BM outlet but it sounds good.

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I think we're all long past the subject car having anything to do w/ Motion besides added emblems, plate frame and ridiculous story also again depending on what's original to the car it may have more value than it probably ends up reaching on eBay?

As far as the hand written build sequence #'s on the tank sheets go, even though some examples and ranges may correlate to Vins better than others, counting on this as a fact went out the window years ago.

The 3 '68 L88 AIR cars were picked up at Jantzen Chevy probably to speed up the process and ensure safety of the cars but they were indeed ordered through Fred Gledhill, what's confusing is Clippinger salesman Bob Wingate was the man behind the deal!
Maybe Gledhill processed the deal w/ none or less markup than could happen through Clippinger or perhaps the financier had something to do w/ it all, who knows?
Traco who prepped the engines being located right near Clippinger only adds to the confusion too.

Love these cars, wonder how Garner's doing?

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read more about it here
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Re: 1967 "Motion" Corvette ????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: John</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Does anyone know anything about this corvette?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...vectorid=229466


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Dunno about the Vette but the 66.7% feedback rating pretty much says it all doesn't it?

Good info, by the way, Pete

Re: 1967 "Motion" Corvette ????
 

Ignoring the claims on the Reedman/Baldwin Motion relationship for now as all Motion items on the car are reproduction from eBay, can we discuss the paperwork this Corvette retains? If you were ever going to restore a car back to its original configuration, this is ideal! Besides the blinker markers in the fenders, the nose looks mint. The 1/4s have not been flared and side pipes have not been added. With all the clones and fake BBC cars flooding the '67 Corvette market, at least if you restamp a motor correctly for this car you have bullet proof paper authenticating the car's originality. Teal/Teal happens to be a drop-dead gorgeous color combination when done right...

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I love it too and yes ideal but only if the sheet belongs w/ the car!
Easy to ignore the Motion foolishness but doesn't more homework need to be done before discounting the Reedman paperwork, especially if the Pop belongs w/ it!
Again are the tags original to the car, is the Pop genuine, are the sheet dates reasonable and most of all which matches what closer inspection of the car may reveal?
If someone's serious about the car, Ncrs providing the dealer code is probably the best thing to confirm 1'st!


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~ Pete

Re: 1967 "Motion" Corvette ????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PeteLeathersac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I love it too and yes ideal but only if the sheet belongs w/ the car!
Easy to ignore the Motion foolishness but doesn't more homework need to be done before discounting the Reedman paperwork, especially if the Pop belongs w/ it!
Again are the tags original to the car, is the Pop genuine, are the sheet dates reasonable and most of all which matches what closer inspection of the car may reveal?
If someone's serious about the car, Ncrs providing the dealer code is probably the best thing to confirm 1'st!


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Pete - I wholeheartedly agree, more research needs to be conducted. The NCRS paper is a great start, however, the paperwork displays where the car was shipped to, not necessarily where it was sold from. My ’66 Coupe was a dealer swap. This was confirmed by the P-o-P dealer not matching the NCRS report. The NCRS also has a document validation service which for $40 is a good piece of documentation to have. Also included in the $40 is the NCRS shipper report. Pending an inspection, this car has potential.

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Tom O'Grady is a good friend, I'll see him in Frisco. That is a beautiful car you sold him, one of the first Corvettes to get the Benchmark award.

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Tim,

I purchased that car from a customer in 1986. I always new it was an original example, but if it was not for Howard &amp; Robin Winan @ Harmony Corvette, I probably would have drove it way to much. Those 2 where the driving force in me showing the car. It took Bloomington Gold 3 years before I was automaticly allowed into Certification after being on the waiting list for 2 years. Conveniently that was the first year for Survivor (1990) so I showed in in both. The next year they used my car, &amp; 2 others to form the Benchmark award, saving what I believe many cars from being otherwise restored when not needed. When you see Tom, tell him I say hello, and which him well. Do you know if he ever went through the NCRS National Top Flight, Duntov, or 5 Star Bowtie process with it? I sure would like to find out. Let me know if he did.

Thanks,
Bill

Re: 1967 "Motion" Corvette ????
 

I believe the NCRS has a certification program for original paperwork now for these cars. I have had it done a couple of times. Looking at the tank sticker it appears to have the info for them to do it. It is a nominal fee. This would help clear some things up. You need to be a member to get it done.

Daniel already mentioned it above.

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Bill, I'm not sure what level Tom has taken the car to. I've seen it judged at NCRS, so I know it is a Top Flight Vehicle. I also know he's removed the side pipes even though they were put on at the dealership if I remember.

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Tim,
After the Bloomington Gold, Survivor, &amp; Benchmark, I won a regional Top Flight with it when I owned it in Galena Illinois back in 1991. Joe Croft, the second owner, told me he installed the side pipes him self in 1969. I met him when he came to my house back in 1993 and took him for a &quot;Ride&quot; in the car. He then said he thought he still had the original rocker mouldings, fender extentions he had to cut off, and the Lynndale Blue, rear, non-side pipe valance in his parents garage back in Potts Town Pa (car sold new in Paoli Pa.). He said he would call me if he found them. A week later a crate shows up to my shop with EVERYTHING in it, all wrapped in blankets. I called him to see what I owed him, and he said the &quot;Ride&quot; was payment enough.

Bill

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What a great guy, it is a nice car.

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A Baldwin rear sticker shouldn't even be put on a dealer possible transfer car , which I don't believe this is.

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Very special thanks to Steve K. for his inspection/assistance with this vehicle.

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Glad I could help.

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... Did you get it?

.... Anything you want to share with us?

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&quot;Anything you want to share with us?&quot;...yes,Id like to thank you too for posting it,I may not have seen it otherwise.

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Is it possible that someone bought it at Reedman and brought it to Motion for Joel to work his magic? In that case, a more savvy seller wouldn't call it a B-M car because Baldwin was just the selling dealer, no?

Re: 1967 "Motion" Corvette ????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 442w30</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is it possible that someone bought it at Reedman and brought it to Motion for Joel to work his magic? In that case, a more savvy seller wouldn't call it a B-M car because Baldwin was just the selling dealer, no? </div></div>

yes it's possible someone brought it Motion for work. <span style="text-decoration: underline">Not likely</span> anybody installed any &quot;Baldwin&quot; auto sales sticker on the stern of the vehicle at Motion though.

Came in for a 427, blew it up and got the only known Motion 327?

Chuck, is this credible?

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&quot;Chuck,Is this credible?&quot;.....I think youve already stated it above exactly as i would have &quot;At the very least it is an original paint, never been hit, 435 HP, 4-speed Corvette Coupe. At the very best it may be one of the earliest examples of a Baldwin Motion Corvette in existence.&quot;
It is also a GM export car for a VIP in the military,although I havent found out why it went to Reedman,yet. Possibly he came home from the Military and decided to take possesion of it at home in PA instead of having the dealer on the tank sticker send it to him overseas?? Only speculation. I can say that the motion items were on he car back to the original owner I believe ,its just that the last owner decided to market it as such. He didnt throw valve covers and stickers on it himself last month to deceive anyone either.He was very honest throughout the entire process. I did learn that Chip Foose and or a producer for the TV show supposedly found this car and allowed the people from &quot;Fast and Loud&quot; in Dallas to buy it. Paperwork has &quot;Gas Monkey Garage&quot; on it,which I believe is thier business name . They were either persuaded or decided not to ruin an original paint 435 and make a resto mod out of it on thier TV restoration show ,so they sold it to a local car dealer . They made a good choice.

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&quot;never heard of a baldwin motion 327&quot;.............. heres joel rosen working on one....http://books.google.com/books?id=DR4...ck&amp;f=false

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: iluv69s</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I grew up and still live 5 mins from Reedman Chevrolet. I have no memory of or have never heard of any Motion cars and/or connection between that dealer and Motion performance..for what it is worth...

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Me too.. I was at Reedman's looking at cars with my Dad in the mid to late 60's. I don't recall one BM car there ever fr sale

Re: 1967 "Motion" Corvette ????
 

I've spoke to Joel about Reedmans. He said Baldwin had done a few dealer trades to get a specific color or combo. He said the Baldwin inventory was never as large as Reedman.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: the427king</div><div class="ubbcode-body">&quot;never heard of a baldwin motion 327&quot;.............. heres joel rosen working on one....http://books.google.com/books?id=DR4...ck&amp;f=false </div></div>



haha [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img] that's Marty's Grifo , you got me. But I believe the one and only BM 327 is still within the fenders of its original car!!