2013 GT500 vs 2013 ZL1. good article
 

The fat Chevy got its butt handed to it.. The last gen gt500 with 100 hp less is as fast as the ZL1

The ZL1 did its best pass in 12.38 seconds at 114.5 mph, while the GT500 turned the quarter-mile in 11.78 seconds at 125 mph. 125 mph is well in the 10's with traction.. Dead stock folks.

Read more: http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/dri...l#ixzz1yMuIX6ns

Re: 2013 GT500 vs 2013 ZL1. good article
 

I like the 'Stang a lot, but good grief man, maybe it's not the be-all, end-all:

2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 vs. 2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 Comparison Test
Gratuitous Excess vs. Unwarranted Exorbitance

By Josh Jacquot, Senior Editor | Published Jun 12, 2012

With pony cars, it's all about horsepower.

So it's possible there's never been a greater case for dual-overhead-cam engine architecture than the 98-wheel-horsepower chasm between the 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 and 2013 Ford Shelby GT500. The Shelby, with a displacement some 350cc less than the Camaro, still manages to crank out enough horsepower to lay claim to having the most powerful production V8 ever built. Indeed, its massive potency alone makes a good case for choosing the GT500 over the pushrod-motivated Camaro.

But it gets worse for the Chevy.

The über Mustang is also 227 pounds lighter than the Camaro. Combine that with its massive power advantage and it looks like curtains for the Camaro.


It probably would be if the ZL1 didn't have a couple trump cards of its own. And by that we're referring to its independent rear suspension and magnetorheological dampers. They're interesting high-tech features, but it's hard to imagine they would be enough to overcome a serious horsepower-to-weight deficiency, right?

<span style="text-decoration: underline">Skipping to he end of the article and a spoiler alert:</span>

How and Why
There was a time when a $63,080 Mustang (OK, Shelby) was as laughable an enterprise as gold-plated diapers. But a 662-hp Mustang that rings up such a tally somehow seems like a genuinely good value. The 2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500, outfitted with the SVT Performance package, SVT Track Pack and the Recaro seats has $8,085 in options pumping up its $54,995 base price.

At $56,295 (including the mandatory gas-guzzler tax) the ZL1's cost of entry is similar. This car's $500 Interior Microfiber package, $470 bright forged wheels and $600 carbon-fiber hood insert (a no-cost option on 2012 models) brought the total to $57,265.

<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">But it's not the $5,815 cost advantage that wins the comparison test for the 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1. It's this car's ability to fight above its weight class that makes it undeniably more attractive. It's virtually unprecedented that a car with such a dramatic power deficit and weight disadvantage could come out ahead.</span></span>

<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">So in other words, we were wrong. When it comes to pony cars, it's not always about horsepower. At least not anymore. </span></span>

The manufacturers provided Edmunds these vehicles for the purposes of evaluation.



http://www.insideline.com/chevrolet/...ison-test.html

Re: 2013 GT500 vs 2013 ZL1. good article
 

black wheels.yuck.

buy a 2 year old GT and throw a supercharger on it

save yourself 20 grand

Re: 2013 GT500 vs 2013 ZL1. good article
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: agtw31</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
buy a 2 year old GT and throw a supercharger on it
save yourself 20 grand </div></div>

And be much more stealthy and you could park it anywhere. Insurance would be a LOT less too.

Re: 2013 GT500 vs 2013 ZL1. good article
 

no doubt guys.. I have a close bud with a new 5.0 automatic that runs a 10 flat at 145 with a blower. Faster then the 650 hp Shelby but you would never give it a second look on the street. But im talking factory cars.. Its amazing how much faster the GT500 is then the much fabled ZL1..

Re: 2013 GT500 vs 2013 ZL1. good article
 

That depends who is driving I have seen a ZL1 take the GT 500 out to lunch
some test ford wins some test chevy wins Right now its all just a war of words and that IT
ME there is nothing like OLD
school 60s muscle cars Take a 67 ford fairline with a 427 2X4 NOW that was a fast car
Hell I know of a 59 pontiac 4,800 lbs running in the 10s all day long all motor no super charger no bottle so I am NOT at all impressed with the 5.0
Also its amazing that Ford STILL having lot of oil pressure problem with the 5.0 They just can't seem get get that motor right yet
The old ford 427 was a much better motor hands down

Re: 2013 GT500 vs 2013 ZL1. good article
 

The ZL1 in stock form puts out approx 500rwhp

The Shelby in stock form on the same day and same dyno lays down more than 600rwhp.

100 plus more HP in a production car comparison is Huge!

The Shelby GT 500 is also over 200 pounds lighter. (2 tenths in the 1/4 right there.)

An extra 100hp and less weight is going to help get a car around a road course as well.

The bar has been raised. No reason that a hopped up LS9 can't be dropped into the Camaro,at the factory, other than some lame a$$ marketing ploy the the Corvette has to be the only Car in the GM line up with the best power plant.

Remember the good old days when you could get the best GM engines, in the Pony and Muscle cars?

Re: 2013 GT500 vs 2013 ZL1. good article
 

Here is a pretty good video of both cars getting the shake down.

I will say this, it's the first time I've seen quicker times on a road course by the GT500 as every other test has the ZL1 faster.

Kurt


http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...0&amp;t=233542

Re: 2013 GT500 vs 2013 ZL1. good article
 

Seen a new black ZL1 at a cruise last night. Looks a lot better then the SS, for sure. The guy was all proud of his car too until a black 2013 GT50 pulled in next to it and popped the hood. The Mustang engine while smaller is massive looking (due to the 4 cam heads)and gorgeous as compared to the Camaro mill.

Re: 2013 GT500 vs 2013 ZL1. good article
 

Heres another test where the GT500 won at Willow Springs..

http://www.insideline.com/ford/musta...shoot-out.html

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69 Post Sedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is a pretty good video of both cars getting the shake down.

I will say this, it's the first time I've seen quicker times on a road course by the GT500 as every other test has the ZL1 faster.

Kurt


http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...0&amp;t=233542 </div></div>

Re: 2013 GT500 vs 2013 ZL1. good article
 

Has there been a comparision between the new Boss 302 and the GT500 on a road course yet? I know the boss is handicapped by 200+ HP but, I understand it is very capable on the race track.

Re: 2013 GT500 vs 2013 ZL1. good article
 

I have seen a few and the gt500 is a tiny bit faster due to the sheer hp advantage but the Boss is way more of a road car and well balanced. Bolt on a blower (600 hp)on the boss and you have an unbeatable car

Re: 2013 GT500 vs 2013 ZL1. good article
 

(600 hp)on the boss and you have an unbeatable car

I think you are forgetting the ZO6 Vette
I have seen a few with a little tweaking pull over 750 hp at the rear wheels As a road car the boss 302 can not hold a candle next to the ZO6

I don't get what is all the fuss is about the GT 500 or the boss
THERE are better cars out there and I think GM will have something that will be a killer soon
Chrysler has something now BUT money problem has put away for now
With the oil pressure problem and the 2012s are now having a lot of transmission problems It seem that Ford is more interested with hyped up hp numbers than fix their problems. My last job of 18 years was dealing with Ford engineering dept I say thats about
normal for them. ITs all hype
Thats why I hate Fords with a passion

Re: 2013 GT500 vs 2013 ZL1. good article
 

I can attest to Ford Corp being horrible to deal with, and offering NO customer support.

My 2008 Navigator with 66k miles is giving up the transmission right now and Ford Corp has been telling me to pound salt even though they've been aware of the tranny problems for 20k miles, bastages.

This may indeed be the LAST Ford I buy if they stick me with this problem...

Re: 2013 GT500 vs 2013 ZL1. good article
 

I'm told the GT500 on a road course test lost over 2 seconds a lap once it got warmed up. They make big #'s for a little bit then the power falls off due to the heat.

Re: 2013 GT500 vs 2013 ZL1. good article
 

Charley - I understand the increased lap time is due to brake fade.

Re: 2013 GT500 vs 2013 ZL1. good article
 

Mark - recommend speaking to regional service manager. Call him or make an appointment when he swings thru your dealership. Lay your story out for him and bring your documentation. Good luck!

Re: 2013 GT500 vs 2013 ZL1. good article
 

Here is the ultimate track/street/strip car. Blown Boss. Stock tires.. 124 mph in the quarter.. 7500 rpm redline, forged steel rods, forged pistons, 11:1 compression, 4 seats, good gas mileage. Better balanced then the brute GT500.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KnN8PMtDSU

Re: 2013 GT500 vs 2013 ZL1. good article
 

I can attest to Ford Corp being horrible to deal with, and offering NO customer support.

My 2008 Navigator with 66k miles is giving up the transmission right now and Ford Corp has been telling me to pound salt even though they've been aware of the tranny problems for 20k miles, bastages.

This may indeed be the LAST Ford I buy if they stick me with this problem...



You might have the E4OD transmission and yes Ford does know about it but Fords engineering dept see no problem
I ran a very large Fleet for an express company and had a few E350 super duty trucks that had the E4OD tranny . they went out every 6 months and Ford told me it was driver abuse
well on one truck after the 16th tranny in 19 months I took maters in my own hands
This is what I found there is a check valve on the out going tranny coolant line that opens up at the temperature the engineers has set
What I did was to remove the check valve and tossed it so the fluid runs all the time the next thing I did was to stuff the biggest tranny cooler I could find
Now get this Fords engineering dept told me that will not work because the tranny will run to cold My answer to them was yea your way really works good
any way long story short that truck E4OD after 150,000 miles On THAT trans was still working great
there is so many more problems I had with them but the bottom line is just like the 302 oil pressure problems they just stick there heads in the sand and just refuse to find a fix
In the 18 years I had so many fights with Ford engineering that I always ended up finding the problem and fix it my self
THATS WHY I HATE FORDS

Re: 2013 GT500 vs 2013 ZL1. good article
 

Whats really bad is that the last gen GT500 which you can get used with ultra low miles for around $35k is just as fast as the much fabled ZL1 is at the strip! OR a low mile almost new 011 for $45k and beat it!

The new Camaro's designers/engineers should have be fired. Its a shame too, cause Chevy had a clean slate with the Camaro design in 2010 and they flubbed it. It could have been something really spectacular
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Re: 2013 GT500 vs 2013 ZL1. good article
 

Thanks guys for the support.

I will see what the dealer says on Thursday as this is a new dealer because we're up north for the summer.

I have the emails with the dealer and corporate regarding the transmission as support, so we'll see what happens.

Re: 2013 GT500 vs 2013 ZL1. good article
 

Isn't the Nav' drivetrain warranty 70 thou/5 year and you're still under at 66 in less than 5?
Have you followed your maintenance schedule at the dealer or elswhere?
Either way, when you drop the truck off for service it may be worth heading over to the sales dept and let them know you're considering trading in the Nav on something new.
A dealer faced w/ a vehicle that may soon be on their used lot sometimes gets more repairs under the warranty banner than it otherwise may have? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif[/img]

Best o' luck!
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~ Pete