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My original M21 needs a rebuild so we swapped it out for an M20 box. The M20 along with the 4.56's made that little 302 wake right up. Nothing like a set of gears in a SB Chevy! The old saying goes with a sb Chevy "you can keep the hood closed cause the performance is under the trunk."

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i think 456 would wake up any motor

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Sammy,

Did your Z come from the factory w those gears? You must be enjoying the balmy wx that we are getting over here in Ohio.
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I'm glad to hear that that combo is making you happy Sammy 'cause that's gonna be my setup in a few months (I hope). I have to see how the intake change works, then swap out the 780 for the 850. After that the 4.56's go in. (One thing at a time)

Kurt [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif[/img]

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yep, one thing at a time Kurt. I would put the 56's in before the carb swap. You will want to run that gear no matter what carb you have on that chevelle. Don't go to big on the carb. 85% efficiency on a smaller carb is better than 60% efficiency on a big carb IMO. Remember the Stock eliminator boys are running 780's with vacuum secondaries on their 396's and running in the nines. MacNeish is running low 10.40's with the 780 also on his 302.

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I'm smelling what you're cooking Sammy. I just know that the motor likes fuel at high rpm. The reason I say that is when we had it on the dyno the 800 DP wasn't enough for it at 6200. If it doesn't help I'll put the 780 back on. Ya don't know if ya don't try.:-)

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nothing ventured......nothing gained Kurt!

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: [email protected]</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My original M21 needs a rebuild so we swapped it out for an M20 box. The M20 along with the 4.56's made that little 302 wake right up. Nothing like a set of gears in a SB Chevy! The old saying goes with a sb Chevy &quot;you can keep the hood closed cause the performance is under the trunk.&quot; </div></div>

I thought you Italians kept everything &quot;in the trunk&quot; [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img]

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Good one Tom. I again give you some credit. Not much but some!!

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I don't think M21s have any place in a street car these days. The ratio &quot;spread&quot; from 1-2, 2-3 is exactly the same on an M20 vs M21. M20 just has a wider ratio spread on the 3-4. Seems to me that M20s are a more practical choice if you are not racing and can afford the greater 3-4 rpm drop.

You can run a taller axle and still have the same &quot;feel&quot; in 1-2-3 gears. A 3.31 gear behind a M20 will have the exact same final drive ratio in 1st, 2nd, 3rd as a M21 with a 3.79 gear (3.73 if you want to talk about &quot;real&quot; ratios).

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Hmmmm.... I thought the M20 box had a 2.52 (sometimes a 2.54) first while the M21 had a 2.20 first?

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They did



Year 1963-1965 Type: M20 Rings: None Ratio: 2.56 / 1.91 / 1.48 / 1.00 / 3.16
Year 1966-1974 Type: M20 Rings: Two Ratio: 2.52 / 1.88 / 1.46 / 1.00 / 3.11
Year 1963-1974 Type: M21 Rings: One Ratio: 2.20 / 1.64 / 1.28 / 1.00 / 2.27
Year 1967-1974 Type: M22 Rings: None Ratio: 2.20 / 1.64 / 1.28 / 1.00 / 2.27

Hay Birthday boy,I pulled my M22 B4 going to SCR XIII and put in a M20, and with my 4:10's I was able to eek out a 13.50 @ 103. It's still in there, allot more fun driving around town too, I just miss the noise my M22 made... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif[/img]

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[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/Can-I-Have-It.gif[/img]<span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 17pt"><span style="font-style: italic">I just miss the noise my M22 made...</span></span></span></span> [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/Can-I-Have-It.gif[/img]

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I have a M22W (wide ratio) in my car. This way I get the best of both worlds.....easy taking off and the noise of a M22. The only thing I don't like is the RPM drop from 3rd to 4th at the strip.

Kurt

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THAT is WHY you GO to A 4.56 ratio KURT! Trans End from Jersey made gears for a Muncie about 40 years ago giving you the low first gear and the M21 high grear ratios. Don't even know if they are in business anymore. Put .88's in it Kurt with a taller tire than you have a choice. I hear ya Novadude!!

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Sammy,
4.56 and 4.88's are perfect gears for those little 302's.I still have the original 3.73's in mine and can say they suck.I don't even think that 4.10's would be any better.Nothing like a good set of low gears to wake up the 302,have some fun this summer.Just fired mine up yesterday for the first time this year,come on spring.

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I got 4:88's in my car and love them.[put 4:88 in 1971]

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4.10's are not really enough with a M21 Mark. I like a little more snot if you know what I mean. An M20 helps the .10's out BUT the .56's are better yet. Not quite ready for the .88's Paul but if we do a cam change............

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I have to stop up and see you and get some 260 gas.

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I am here Paul!