'70 Z-28 starting features, etc
 

I have an old time friend who just bought a '70 Z-28. He called to tell me how thrilled he was from the drive home from the delivery truck. He said the car needs to be in reverse to get the key out and the clutch needs to be in to start it. Is this a standard feature?
Let's say you're tuning it up in the driveway. You can't just reach in the window and turn it off and take the keys? I'm clueless so I thought I'd ask. He owned a '69 Z many years ago and those features weren't there, as he remembers.

He says the car is REALLY nice and I'm expecting pictures soon. All original drivetrain.

thanks
Verne

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That's the way they are Verne. My 69 Chevelle is the same way. The anti-theft device locks the steering wheel. That's why the collar on the steering column rotates, it's hooked to the reverse arm on the trans, via a rod and pivot that is connected to the collar.

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Yes, it is part of the reverse lockout feature. They rare are working as many components got taken off for modifications like headers and others got discarded because they were annoying like you said.



Jason

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Hi Verne,

If his 69 didn't have that feature, it was because someone removed it. Happened almost any time headers were installed or any time afer the first few days of ownership that someone thought it was stupid. It is the feature most folks inccorrctly call a "reverse lock out". It does not lock out reverse. It makes it so you must put it in reverse to get the key out. It is more correctly called the interlock. However, you should be able to turn the car off. You just can't turn the ignition far enough counter clockwise to remove the key.

Why? Once the key is turned all the way off and removed the steering wheel is locked. Because stupid teenagers might do something like reach over from the passenger seat and turn off the car, at least the steering wheel isn't locked while you are barrelling down the highway at 70+.

Most Fords with a stick shift use a little button on bottom of the column that must be depressed before one can turn the key far enough counter clockwise to remove it.

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Thanks guys! I just didn't know. I consider cars from '69-'70- plus "modern" cars and I guess that's one of the reasons why. Seat belt buzzers, shoulder harnesses, key lock-outs, donut spares, door ajar buzzers, smog, etc etc. In my mind, they just lost the purity of a basic car. That's when cars stopped being designed by stylists and built by engineers and began to be designed by lawyers and built by accountants.

Anyway, his car was featured in some book as an example of a '70 Z-28. Emerald Green, white stripes with front and rear spoilers, non-RS. As soon as we have a warm Sunday, he's planning to bring it down here so I can check it out. I think he also wants me to go over the valve adjustments and a tune.

I'll try to get him to join the site and share more photos.

Verne [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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Verne...When you adjust the valves, I suggest that you look up the article that John Z wrote about adjusting them. His method made my LT1 run a lot better. Lots of good info in the atricle too.
And I hear you, loud and clear, on the &quot;modern &quot; cars.

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Here's the article that I'm talking about.


http://65corvette.nonethewiser.net/t...AdjArticle.pdf

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Thanks Tony. I've read John's article. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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A slightly updated version of John's valve article: http://www.camaros.org/302valves.shtml
Here's a bunch more of his articles:
http://www.camaros.org/articles.shtml

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Thanks Kurt.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Verne_Frantz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.... That's when cars stopped being designed by stylists and built by engineers and began to be designed by lawyers and built by accountants.....Verne [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img] </div></div>

Cool - I get to build cars now! Ha, and people say Accountants can only do numbers! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif[/img]

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That feature of the car needing to be in reverse to remove the key is just a great indication of a car that's probably had a decent, cared-for life without being monkey'ed around with too much, Verne. A few years ago, my 1970 GS Buick, Factory 4-Speed car had the same thing and it was new to me also. It's such an easy thing to just leave it off the car if you do any exhaust modifications, clutch replacement, or Hurst shifter replacement. I thought it was pretty neat actually but I'd really hate to have to try to dig that stuff up to re-install if it was missing from a car!

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Hi Mark,
I would agree with you. Not only did Day-2 mean the addition of a lot of parts; it also meant the removal of some. This car has 46Kmi on it and lots of original well cared for pieces. We're looking forward to a reasonably warm Sunday later this month when he'll bring it down here.
He's a little nervous about the front spolier. The original got broken and had to be replaced (hard to find) so we're going to see if it can be removed easily and only used for shows.
Verne [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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Well, the day finally came and Larry brought down the car for me to see and test drive. One correction about the engine. It is a CE block replaced under warranty. Here are some photos.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...8/LarryLH2.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...8/EngineRH.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...8/EngineLH.jpg

Excuse the disconnected gas pedal. This was after my test drive and a hard right foot.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...8/Interior.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...20Z28/Nose.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...0%20Z28/RR.jpg

The car runs great. Very &quot;user-friendly&quot; for normal driving but with the punch on command.

Verne [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif[/img]

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This a Los Angeles built car, which I'm told has some unique features, such as a smaller gas tank, the evaporative emissions system with a return line to the tank, and the benefit of build sheets. This car has solid documemtation.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...BuildSheet.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...tectoplate.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...28/CowlTag.jpg

He also wanted me to ask the professors here if this was the origial gas cap for this CA car.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...Fuelcaptop.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...lcapBottom.jpg

Any comments regarding correctness would be appreciated. He wants to strive to make sure everything is as it should be.

Thanks
Verne [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthrea...6149#Post436149

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That's my old Z28 that I restored.....I've talked to Larry many times on the phone already....seems to be a very nice guy...

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randy or verne. does the p-o-p have replacement ink stamped on the front? i also have a forest green 70 z with a CE block. my p-o-p has an ink stamp on the front as a &quot;replacement&quot; it is also typed in the aluminum blank with no tape.

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He has it mounted on a display board so I wasn't able to examine both sides.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: x77-69z28</div><div class="ubbcode-body">randy or verne. does the p-o-p have replacement ink stamped on the front? i also have a forest green 70 z with a CE block. my p-o-p has an ink stamp on the front as a &quot;replacement&quot; it is also typed in the aluminum blank with no tape. </div></div>


Yes, it does.It was explained to me when I bought the car that a new POP was issued when the block was replaced in 1971

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Any comments on the gas cap?? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img]

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Verne.....the gas cap was original to the car.....Camaros with the NA9 (Calf emissions)vented the gas tank all the way under the car to the front and into the charcoal canister. Only cars built to be sold in the state of CA were this way and that's why they all had a non vented gas caps. This Z28 was sold new in Alameda CA and the NA9 emission package was mandatory for all Camaros sold in CA. Hope this clears things up for you.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 Forest Green Zee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, it does.It was explained to me when I bought the car that a new POP was issued when the block was replaced in 1971 </div></div>
That's a replacement probably due to a new owner and a warranty transfer.

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Thanks. I knew it had to be non-vented with a return line to the cannister. Just wanted to know if it was correct for Larry'a sake.
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thanks randy. thats the way it was explained to me as well. i actually found what was left of the orig protect-o-plate under the carpet. a little rusty metal attached to the dymol tape. i am gonna frame that too!

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New question. The wiring diagram he has doesn't seem to show anything pertaining to the gauge cluster and the amp meter. (which doesn't work). Could someone shed some light on the wiring for that gauge? I'm going to help fix it but I know as much about a '70 Z-28 as I do about Amphicars. I did find a direct short to ground through the non-functioning clock, but pulled the fuse so that's not an issue for now.
thanks
Verne