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Are the number or percentage of Black Challengers known or published? Thanks for any info, Ed

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I have them. What model is it?

Black tends to be MOR or rarer for muscle and pony cars.

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One of my all time favourites,
A triple Black R/T S.E. 70 Challenger, not mine but i want it [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 442w30</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have them. What model is it?

Black tends to be MOR or rarer for muscle and pony cars.</div></div>

My car is a 1970 A66 Challenger. Thanks, Ed

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The lovley photo that showed up prompts me to ask......

How many of the '70 RT/SE <span style="font-weight: bold">Hemi</span> Coupes were triple black (if known by that breakdown)? One for sure - but are there more than that?

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hubleyman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The lovley photo that showed up prompts me to ask......

How many of the '70 RT/SE <span style="font-weight: bold">Hemi</span> Coupes were triple black (if known by that breakdown)? One for sure - but are there more than that? </div></div>

The photo i shared is in fact a 440 Six Pak car not a hemi but either way not many in triple Black especially if it is an S.E.

Here is another Triple Black beauty 440 6 pak R/T,
let me know if you guys want more 70 Challengers in black as i have a photo file of all the colors in stock.

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Do you have photos of any triple black 70 Challengers with body colored steel wheels?

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Let's see 'em all!

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In 1982 I had a 1970 black 440 six pack R/T convertible, anyone have an unregistered handgun? I sold it for $3500

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hubleyman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you have photos of any triple black 70 Challengers with body colored steel wheels? </div></div>

Not triple black but one of the best i have seen in person.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: markinnaples</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let's see 'em all! </div></div>
here are the rest of the Black ones.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: John Harding</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In 1982 I had a 1970 black 440 six pack R/T convertible, anyone have an unregistered handgun? I sold it for $3500 </div></div>

This will make you more angry [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif[/img]
Maybe it is the same car

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1969z280</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are the number or percentage of Black Challengers known or published? Thanks for any info, Ed</div></div>

Beautiful photos!

But, does anyone have the production numbers? Diego? Thanks, Ed

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1969z280</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1969z280</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are the number or percentage of Black Challengers known or published? Thanks for any info, Ed</div></div>

Beautiful photos!

But, does anyone have the production numbers? Diego? Thanks, Ed </div></div>

Here is the color Breakdown for 1970-remember these are not exact numbers because Chrysler only kept percentages.
Hope It helps

1970 Dodge Color Breakdown

Color Code JS23 JS27 JS29

Light Blue Met. EB3 178 13 45
Bright Blue Met. EB5 1134 70 281
Dark Blue Met. EB7 396 27 94
Plum Crazy FC7 3034 222 599
Medium Red FE5 902 122 202
Light Green Met. FF4 560 27 198
Dark Green Met. EF8 929 57 281
Sublime FJ5 916 44 206
GO Mango EK2 970 43 281
Dk Burnt Orange Met FK5 1066 82 554
Biege BL1 41 0 30
Dark Tan Met. FT6 219 27 101
Hemi Orange EV2 984 43 195
White EW1 301 39 112
Black TX9 506 32 183
Top Banana FY1 1039 84 239
Cream DY3 96 6 60
Light Gold Met. FY4 191 15 79
Green-Go FJ6 14 2 0
Panther Pink FM3 41 4 7
Two Tone Paint VO2 123 0 0

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wow, black on the 70 challenger was not that rare actually.
I thought there would be less.

never saw the counts like the last post, cool.

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Did the convertible come out of San Diego?

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: John Harding</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did the convertible come out of San Diego? </div></div>

Sorry John,
just a photo i got from the internet a few years back.
i have no idea where the car is from.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1969z280</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
My car is a 1970 A66 Challenger. Thanks, Ed </div></div>

1.2% of US-spec base Challenger hardtops were black. That's roughly around 457 cars.

Please keep in mind this doesn't include Canadian and export cars. Likewise, you cannot figure out how many of those were 340 cars, or how many were built with black interior - all options have to be taken individually. Anyone combining options, except in rare cases, are using the statistics incorrectly. For example, sometimes you see FM3 Challenger T/As being 1 of 28, but you cannot combine the option of the color with the option of the T/A package; in fact, the T/A registry has more than 28 cars on file - substantially more!

EDIT: Those numbers posted above are for R/Ts, not the base Challenger which is what the 340 is based on.

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Thank you very much! Ed

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Numbers i posted above are <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #000099">R/T</span></span> only for the Hard Top, Drop Top and S.E.

The Regular Challengers are not accounted for in those numbers.

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It's an important distinction because Ed's car doesn't fall within those numbers - just wanted to be clear for all reading this.

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A friend of a friend has/had a black on black T/A Challenger.

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T/As would be a part of the base Challenger list too.

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Diego, based on your research, what do think is the rarest color on a 70 Challenger? Not necessarily odd color combos, but just general body color? Also, what special order colors have you run across on 70 Hemi or 440 Six Pack Challengers?

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Well, someone posted the R/T numbers above so you can see there. Or do you mean base Challengers?

For what it's worth, I haven't done any research - I just have some numbers from Galen Govier. But, as a rule, the yellow-golds, golds, beiges, and mid-year Panther Pink and Green Go tend to be the rarest colors for Mopar muscle in 1970.

As far as special-order colors are concerned, I know there's at least one, and perhaps a few, A4 silver Challengers built, which wasn't a normal color option for the Challenger but was for the C-body. If there's another special-order color, I don't know about it or I don't remember it.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 442w30</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, someone posted the R/T numbers above so you can see there. Or do you mean base Challengers?

For what it's worth, I haven't done any research - I just have some numbers from Galen Govier. But, as a rule, the yellow-golds, golds, beiges, and mid-year Panther Pink and Green Go tend to be the rarest colors for Mopar muscle in 1970.

As far as special-order colors are concerned, I know there's at least one, and perhaps a few, A4 silver Challengers built, which wasn't a normal color option for the Challenger but was for the C-body. If there's another special-order color, I don't know about it or I don't remember it. </div></div>

I seem to recall an A4 70 Challenger R/T. Black longitudinal stripe, 383(?). Is that the car you have in mind?

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Don't remember. I've seen one in Carlisle.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XXXBlackLs6M22</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: John Harding</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did the convertible come out of San Diego? </div></div>

Sorry John,
just a photo i got from the internet a few years back.
i have no idea where the car is from. </div></div>

The convertible photo was taken at MCACN last year in the lobby of the Donald E. Stephens Convention Center. I know, because I parked the car there for the owner and that shot must have been taken right after I parked it, as there is no red drape/stanchion around it and the tires weren't yet detailed! Note the big &quot;RCC&quot; which is Rosemont Convention Center.

BTW; neat post and great info, Diego!

Bashton
MCACN Managing Member

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XXXBlackLs6M22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One of my all time favourites,
A triple Black R/T S.E. 70 Challenger, not mine but i want it [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img] </div></div>

the twin to this car was at a indoor car show in winston salem nc back around 1975

for sale sign on it said $3900

i have a pic of it,but ill be damned if i know where it is

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Looking at your numbers, we had a hemi orange rt/se 440,4sp and was told that it was 1 of 142? Your number leads me to believe there were more rt/se's than straight up rt's? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img]
Joe

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Here's the numbers XXX posted for EV2:

Hemi Orange EV2 984 43 195

That means 195 US-spec R/T SEs were built. I don't know where you got the idea that there were fewer regular R/Ts built.

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When i posted the numbers i listed them by color then model in this order.
JS23 JS27 JS29

JS23 = Hardtop R/T
JS27 = Convertible R/T
JS29 = S.E. Special Edition R/T.
So this would be how you read those numbers.

442w30 is correct that these numbers are all based on USA production R/T models, the imports will ad some production to these numbers but not much.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Color + Models JS23 JS27 JS29</span>

Light Blue EB3 178 13 45
Bright Blue EB5 1134 70 281
Dark Blue EB7 396 27 94
Plum Crazy FC7 3034 222 599
Medium Red FE5 902 122 202
Light Green FF4 560 27 198
Dark Green EF8 929 57 281
Sublime FJ5 916 44 206
GO Mango EK2 970 43 281
Dk Burnt Orange FK5 1066 82 554
Biege BL1 41 0 30
Dark Tan FT6 219 27 101
Hemi Orange EV2 984 43 195
White EW1 301 39 112
Black TX9 506 32 183
Top Banana FY1 1039 84 239
Cream DY3 96 6 60
Light Gold FY4 191 15 79
Green-Go FJ6 14 2 0
Panther Pink FM3 41 4 7
Two Tone Paint VO2 123 0 0

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I might as well also say that for the immense popularity of B5 blue, B3 and B7 tend to be a lot rarer, especially the former.

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Thanks for the clarification on those numbers. I wasn't quite sure how those columns broke down, and now I see it. And I love the B7 color!

What are some of the two-tone paint scheme combos on the R/T? Did they use a &quot;suggested color combo&quot;, or could the buyer choose any combo they wanted? Could someone order Plum Crazy and Top Banana two-tone? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/crazy.gif[/img]

Also curious if they used the same trim divider to separate the two-tone paint scheme as they did with the vinyl top.

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http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/...lenger0010.jpg

These are the recommended ones, but you could have any combo you wanted. Those cars usually had a V08 &quot;Paint, Trim &amp; Vinyl Roof Edit Waiver&quot; on the data plate. The below car doesn't have that code.

http://i48.servimg.com/u/f48/12/18/65/27/dy3__f10.jpg

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Thanks Diego! Wow, that answers my question perfectly. Cool stuff. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]

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Here is a 2 tone with Plum crazy.

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Note the wheelcovers on that one!

I saw it at Carlisle too!

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I had a triple black 70 Hemi Challenger R/T (not an RT/SE) that I bought from the original owner in 1980. It was sold new at Grand-Spaulding Dodge. When I restored it, I left off the vinyl roof. Kept it until 1995. Last I knew of, it was in Bethesda MD in 1997.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i1...Dodge/done.jpg

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Pritchard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had a triple black 70 Hemi Challenger R/T (not an RT/SE) that I bought from the original owner in 1980. It was sold new at Grand-Spaulding Dodge. When I restored it, I left off the vinyl roof. Kept it until 1995. Last I knew of, it was in Bethesda MD in 1997.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i1...Dodge/done.jpg </div></div>

WOW Nice [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gif[/img] should have kept that beauty.