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the ACA has given the reins to the MCC maryland camaro club and will no longer be holding the show at carlisle for 2011 so the rumor goes.Too bad some stupid disagreement between ACA and carlisle has resulted in this.Anyone else have any info?

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I talked with McNeish about this yesterday. The show is moving to a bigger and better location. All of the judging staff will be the same. No changes there. And ACA will still be there and be involved. Sounds like it boiled down the a lot of BS since Lisa left (whoever she is).

The last two years was very bad. The people who did the show floor plan segregated the show moving the main Camaro show field away from the Legends Y building. Many who attended did not even know that Camaro concours judging was going on in Y building.

That's just one of many issues that was passed on to me.

Bob

This post was made by Jerry MacNeish. You see SSRSBOB is Jerry MacNeish confirmed by IP and other sites he joined with same IP address. Very lame attempt at self promotion.

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May be referring to Lisa Leathery who ran the events at Carlisle. She left there a few years ago.

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Here is the press release from the Maryland Camaro Club -

Hello Fellow Camaro Enthusiasts:

The Maryland Camaro Club would like to welcome all our fellow Camaro owners to the 13th Annual Camaro Nationals June 23 - 25, 2011.

As you are aware the American Camaro Association has chosen not to put on the Nationals and the M.C.C. (which has been the host club for the last 6 years) was asked by the A.C.A. to put on the Nationals. A.C.A. had a signed yearly exclusive agreement with Carlisle Productions which will not be renewed.

The American Camaro Association will serve as advisors and consultants to the Maryland Camaro Club and will be at the 2011 show.

M.C.C. will be presenting the Camaro Nationals at the Frederick Fairgrounds in Frederick, MD. The host hotel will be the Holiday Inn in Frederick about 4 miles from the show field. Frederick is located off I-70 and Route 15. Frederick is located in a very historic area with many National Historic sites easily within reach. Many Civil War Battlefields including Gettysburg as well as Washington D.C. and Baltimore are nearby. More information will be available in the near future.

Everything will be in place just as it has been the previous twelve years. All 51 classes will still be offered from Non-Judged through Concours classes. All the judges that you have known and seen in the past will be there to judge classes in 2011.

Let me reassure you that the only things that have changed are the club presenting the Camaro Nationals and the location. Nothing else will change, which is the number one goal of the show – to be the same show you have all known, enjoyed and attended over the years.

I’m sure many of you have questions and concerns: feel free to contact Bud Scolastico in the evenings at 610-921-3721 or email Bud at [email protected].

We look forward to seeing everyone in June and having another great show.

Best regards,

April Alderson
President of the Maryland Camaro Club

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Looks like the GM Nationals will be losing even MORE attendees.

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Camaros took up over half of the show. Won't be very many GM's to look at.

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From the digging I did, someone who used to run the Super Chevy shows and ran them into the ground was hired by Carlisle and now it appears that he will run this event into the ground.

Carlisle does not appreciate all that ACA brought to the table. And the quality of judges.......cars etc. The best in the country. I know that my engine builder has the worlds fastest stock Z28 certified by NHRA with a world record. He brings that car to this event. Another judge from Colorado has the pace car that paced the 69 Indy race and he brings that car to this event........the staff at Carlisle is not too bright to let the Camaro Nats move its event.

Bob

This post was made by Jerry MacNeish. You see SSRSBOB is Jerry MacNeish confirmed by IP and other sites he joined with same IP address. Very lame attempt at self promotion.

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Too bad disagreements killed this show.I liked carlisle.I will not be going to maryland.Maybe just go to somewhere else next year.The MCC really screwed up my judgeing sheet 2years ago and i never liked them anyway

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I hate to see the ACA move to MD - mostly because I'm so close to Carlisle. I'll go to MD though - the judges and quality of cars are worth the trip. Hope the Supercar display continues.

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I was roaming the internet this fine Saturday morning and noticed this post. I was compelled to respond on Carlisle Events behalf.

The rumor you’ve heard is indeed true; the ACA is headed to another location. We enjoyed working with them in the past and we certainly wish them much success with their future events. The Carlisle GM Nationals, which will be held June 24-26, 2011, will be another great year. We’ve got a lot planned for this event and we’ll continue to put forth our strongest efforts to ensure each and every person that attends this event is smiling upon their departure and eager to return the following year. As many of you know, we host 10 events a year and strive to make every attendee, vendor and sponsor happy so they continue to come back year after year. The Carlisle GM Nationals is no different.

As a matter of fact, our team and I just got back from SEMA and have been working closely with various groups to ensure this year’s transition is a good one for everyone involved. Our events and our friendly team work hard at each of our shows, we listen closely to our attendees whenever there is feedback. We’ll continue to strive to make the Carlisle GM Nationals event the very best in the country. Your feedback will help us improve and we’ll do our best to make the adjustments necessary moving forward. We will have plenty of Camaro’s at the event; I hope you’re one of them!

We appreciate your continued support and I hope to personally meet you during the event.

Sincerely,

Lance Miller
Co-Owner Carlisle Events

PS I’ll have Rick Markko, the Carlisle GM Nationals event manager, post some of the current upcoming plans for this year’s event.

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Thanks for the update. What is your strategy to increase the car count?

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It is sad that both events could not continue on different dates. The turn-out has been poor at best the last two years.

I will make the trip however, if the solid lifter showroom show is returning.

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Mr Lance Miller comes on this thread with his company rheteric.

I've attended each Camaros at Carlisle since 2000. The ACA Camaros at Carlisle show WAS THE G.M. Nationals. ACES (Chevelles), NNN (Novas) did not support the G.M. show. I've been told that the G.M. Nationals was Carlisle's smallest show.
I believe there were 700 Camaros there in 2010 and 300 of all other G.M. nameplates.

From everything I've read and heard (from the American Camaro Assoc and Maryland C.C.) Carlisle Productions made in increasingly difficult to cooperate and negotiate issues with.

I've read that the ACA Camaro Nationals was the only "event" at CARLISLE not produced by Carlisle Productions. I can well imagine that a big time outfit like Carlisle was not going to be told much as to how, when, and what was going to happen within their infrastucture.

There is no question that losing the CARLISLE site is a big blow phychologically to the Camaro Nationals.
I can only hope and pray that the real Camaro enthusiasts give the new location and the MCC a chance to keep the only Camaro Nationals event alive.

I would have to think that Brian Henderson and his many loyal followers will continue producing the Solid Lifter showroom (or what they may call it from year to year). This is a huge loss to the participants/spectators of the Camaro Nationals. The Super Car Workshop easily does many of the best Camaro restorations in the world.

I am also curious as to why the SCW is no longer a sponsor here ?

Was the SCW a participant at the 2010 SCR ?

Sincerely, Chuck Sharin

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The Carlisle GM Nationals, which will be held June 24-26, 2011, will be another great year.

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Stick a fork in it...it's done

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Just talked with two of the ACA concours judges. Lance must be drinking too much kool-aid. Typical politian for Carlisle. The fact is and this is right from the horses mouth.......Carlisle pushed ACA from the show due to how they like to run things. Seperating the Y building concours judging from the show field was a stupid thing to do. Many who attended the show did not know that there were Camaros in Y building. When you segragate a show of that size and don't work with the organization that brings in 700 Camaros, there's a serious problem. It's Carlisle's loss.

Was also told that some of the show cars were paid to bring their cars to the show and ACA officals were not. I know that Mcneish had his NHRA national record holding 67 Z28 there for all to see. The fastest 302 Z28 in the world. He was not paid. Christinsen had the Indy pace car there that paced the '69 Indy 500. He was not paid. These are only a small example of the politics that goes on behind the scenes.

Without the ACA Camaro Nationals at Carlisle, that event will die a slow death!

What a shame!

Bob

This post was made by Jerry MacNeish. You see SSRSBOB is Jerry MacNeish confirmed by IP and other sites he joined with same IP address. Very lame attempt at self promotion.

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Here's what Mcneish posted on CRG.

Bob

Ron,

All that happened at Carlisle was Carlisle's fault...........you have no idea of all the issues that they caused behind the scenes. It's not easy doing what had to be done and at 59 years old, it's the last thing that I want to do. But, I will support the ACA and the Camaro Nationals as long as I am healthy to do so. This event needs to be there for all who are serious about restoring these cars correctly........and the good old Camaro enthusiast! All of our staff with be there. These are people you can depend on........and if Carlisle does not want to work with us, then that's the way it will be. We will move on!

Here's a couple of examples for you. Did you know that owners were paid to bring cars in the garage outside the fairgrounds??? People like myself and Larry Christensen own some of the rarest cars known to the hobby. We don't charge anything to bring our cars there. I brought out my 1967 Z28 NHRA National recording holding Z28 for all to see. &quot;THE YENKO EATER.&quot; It's the fastest NHRA stock eliminator 302 Z28 in the world......and restored like a show car! I am glad to bring it for all to see. FREE! Larry Christensen has brough THE 1969 Indy pace that paced the race.........does it all for free. But yet others are being paid to bring in cars......and cars that don't rise to the pedigree of what our organization brings to the table. Ken Lucas, Larry Christensen and Bob Harris restore the nicest Camaros in the world.........and they are at the ACA Camaro Nats for all to see. I'm only touching the tip of the iceberg. You have no idea on the issues that go on behind closed doors............

Jerry

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I happened to like the GM Nationals at Carlisle. To me being a Camaro lover it was more like the Camaro Nationals than anything else. I would have liked to see other models and GM brands participate. Possibly Carlisle didn't do enough to encourage the others brands, or other reasons.

I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision for the ACA to move the venue, and my hope is that the finger pointing by others stops.

The above posts premise <span style="font-weight: bold">&quot;Did you know that owners were paid to bring cars in the garage outside the fairgrounds???&quot; </span>is absolutely patently false. The Solid Lifter Showroom ( garage outside fairgrounds), organizers and participants were not paid to bring cars period.

Now there may be valid reasons for the split but lets not rush to judgement. In addition, at this point a decision has been made to split, and point of the above post is??? Anyway both the ACA and Carlisle has been very good to our hobby. I don't have a dog in this fight, but want to set the record straight on that point.

Who knows maybe something can be worked out that is a win, win for both the Camaro Nationals and Carlisle. Making this a pissing contest leads to know where.

The Vintage Certification team has been part of the concours judging team at the Camaro National since day one. In fact we were the first to judge in the Y building back in 1999 and we are disappointed.

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That's a big claim by Jerry, would like to hear the facts that back it up! It's a shame to see the Camaros at Carlisle show go away. I really enjoy the show, and Brian pulling together the SLS is a huge success - that dealership is outside the f/grounds, and is free!

The other marques were not present because of scheduling conflicts for the ACES club, and no specific host hotel for the NNN club. Two very valid reasons. The NNN club was there in force for the first GM show, in fact we took home the club participation award - so its not like the other marque clubs haven't tried.

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You would think that all of the different clubs would try and work together...especially if they have conflicting dates...rather than compete against each other-thereby reducing the attendance at all of the events?

Just my opinion...

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I was not paid for participating in the Solid Lifter Showroom. Nor do I personally know of anyone who was.
I will not comment on others inside the building being paid. They can speak for themselves here if they chose to.
I was also was delighted to be included in a display with some &quot;World Class&quot; restores' and restored cars. And that included what may be the world standard for an original untouched 69 COPO Chevelle.
I had a great time talking to people there, answereing questions and sharing information.
If ask again I would support the SLS, as it is truly a new bright spot for the GM nats. Hopefully enough quality GM cars will continue to participate in the show. Sorry to see the Camaros leaving, and good luck in MD.
The SLS display speaks for itself. If you did not see it the last two years, talk to people that did to form your opinions of the people and cars there.

Mike

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Just found out that Carlisle was never keen on changing event dates and from what I've been told, there have been complaints because carlisle does not work with other clubs......period.

The Camaro Nationals will be held the same weekend for 2011 but they are willing to change the event weekend sometime in the future. At least this is what I was told last night. For the first year, keeping the same date does make sense so hopefully this can be worked out in the future.

Bob

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Why would keeping the same date make sense, where Camaro owners, judges, vendors and spectators have to choose, other then to go head to head with Carlisle?

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You are right Bob, Carlisle was unwilling/unable to move the date - and I think it conflicted with the longer running ACES show. So, given the choice - most devoted club members will support their club event vs. Carlisle.

The NNN club had a nice time at the first show, and it was a Mini-Nats (I think) for the 1st Chapter that year. However, the NNN club has been around going on 30+ years, and believes that having their Annual/Nationals show at a host hotel has fostered this longevity. The show does not break up each night, it just continues in the parking lot, over dinner, with a cruise, in the lobby, etc.... So, I can see why both of these marques don't use the GM/Carlisle show for their Club Nationals.

PS: Just for the record, I've never been paid to bring my car to the SLS, nor was any payment offered, witnessed, mentioned, discussed or suggested.

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I guess the 'tip of the iceberg' melted away... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img]


&quot;&quot;I was told by people who work behind the scenes at Carlisle that some cars were being paid to display. I do not doubt my sources. But the bigger picture is this, it's not a game changer issue for moving the event. There were other BIG on-going issues that have been going on long before SLS did their thing.

To me personally, being paid does not bother me. I always am glad to bring cars to the Nats just as you have done in the past with your '67 pace car. I've had the Strickler Z28 car in T building, along with my '67 Z28 survivor. Never expected a nickel. Was glad to do it.

The whole moving thing is very hard for everyone and all in the Camaro hobby. Since Lisa has left Carlisle Productions things in general just became more difficult for all of the staff at ACA. The last thing I want to do is be involved with a change to this event. Especially since we've been doing it at Carlisle since 1999. I looked forward to this event every year and so did the staff at ACA. The Camaro Nats grew from 250-300 cars to an average of 650-700 cars. Our Red, White &amp; Blue concours judging (now called Legends Certification) has been going on now since the early 1990's. We always have more cars than we can judge each year, and have been working in Y building since the show began.

The Frederick Fairgrounds appear to be a better fit for us now and they are more than willing to work with us. We now will have a bigger building than Y building which will make things easier moving the cars around at the event.

Hope to see you there,

Jerry &quot;&quot;

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Might wanna keep tabs on this thread....

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=7256.0

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That's where I got the update, looks like we should find out soon if/who got paid.

I sort of take offense to Jerry's statement:

&quot;But yet others are being paid to bring in cars......and cars that don't rise to the pedigree of what our organization brings to the table.&quot;

Also, I don't understand the 'YENKO Eater' statement, [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img]

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I'm pretty sure no-one will ever know what actually happened. I'm sure it has to do with money and control....sadly <span style="text-decoration: underline">everything</span> revolves around it.

I just wish that cooler heads would have prevailed and a meeting between all the parties happened before the bridge was burned.

Maybe things could have been worked out.....I guess we'll never know.

Man...what a shame.

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Marlin, I don't understand this statement either:

&quot;But yet others are being paid to bring in cars......<span style="text-decoration: underline">and cars that don't rise to the pedigree</span> of what our organization brings to the table.&quot;

Well maybe I do...It was a backhanded comment to all the cars and owners that have participated in the Solid Lifter Showroom. The cars represented in this display are some of the nicest known to exist. There are a host of owners and restorers represented in that building and they are all good guys..Even Dennis Cumby [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif[/img]

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We kept the date the same because people have already made plans (vacation time) to attend the Camaro Nationals in 2011. Since the Camaro Nationals was never a Carlisle Production event, we didn't feel it would be fair to those who plan a year ahead to change the date just because the venue has changed.

The Maryland Camaro Club has provided the setup and day of show support - including the Heartbeat judging for the past 6 years. It was a natural progression for the ACA to ask us to take over doing the administrative end as well. Karl, Rick and Bud are providing support to us and have turned over files of information that they have amassed over the last 12 years. Bud is remaining a very active participant as he is also a member of the MCC.

The decision was a difficult one for the ACA to have to make. This has been their baby for the last 12 years.

We are excited to be working with the staff at the Frederick Fairgrounds and they are excited that we are bringing this caliber of show to their venue.

Please work with us and give us a chance to prove that we can be just as successful as the ACA has been in appealing to ALL Camaro owners - from the original, unrestored first gens to the fifth gen owners who are just as nuts about their cars as we are about ours.


April Alderson, President
Maryland Camaro Club

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Thanks for taking the time to express your thoughts about the GM Nationals. I apologize for the stories and rumors currently circulating the internet regarding the future of the event and Camaros in particular. It appears Jerry has some misinformation and is perpetuating inaccurate information. So please read the following regarding the Camaro Nationals. And truth be told, we have only positive feelings and respect for both the ACA and the MCC for 12 great years in Carlisle. I believe we're all here for the same thing, to enjoy the Camaro and foster and grow the hobby.

As the event manager of the GM Nationals I can and will share some facts with you. The GM Nationals is actually one of our fastest growing shows and we certainly want that trend to continue. Camaros are a large part of that growth with about 500 registered Camaros in attendance in 2010 (that does not account for the other 100+ that were display only Camaros). As a passionate Camaro owner and enthusiast I probably work a bit harder to make sure Camaro continues to lead the growth at the event.

I was in Vegas attending SEMA, the industry’s largest trade show when the ACA made their show plans public. By their own words, they have asked the MCC to present the Camaro Nationals for them in 2011 at a location other than the Carlisle Fairgrounds. They chose to announce on their web site and did not copy me or Carlisle Events. It was first reported to me by industry professionals at SEMA after appearing on various forums.

I was not able to respond sooner due to the time difference and my responsibilities at SEMA. However, after the news broke, I did have the opportunity to chat with a number of industry professionals representing manufacturers, sponsors, electronic media, print magazines and participants associated with the hobby. We have their assurances that they will continue to support our event both in the short and long terms.

Of those I spoke with at SEMA, all think it is unfortunate that the ACA &amp; MCC chose to conduct their inaugural event on the same date as the GM Nationals. Making Camaro enthusiasts choose between two events is never a good thing. Rest assured there will be Camaros at the GM Nationals in 2011 and beyond. However, there will not be a Camaro Nationals presented by the ACA. Even so, we will continue to reach out to ALL Camaro clubs and enthusiasts to reassure ALL GM enthusiasts that the show will go on and be better than ever.

We are currently reviewing the show logistics with the entire Carlisle Events team, as we do every post-season. We are fast preparing Camaro classes for posting on our web site to facilitate registration. Don’t forget about our Gate-N-Go procedures allowing speedy entry to the grounds if pre-registered by the cutoff date. To register for the GM Nationals, or for more info and the most up to date news head to our web site (CarlisleEvents.com).

If you have any thoughts you would like to share, please do so. I will take them into consideration as we continue to plan the 2011 event. I recommend that if you want accurate, current and concise information that you contact me directly using the following resources:

Email: [email protected]
Office: 717-243-7855 x124
GM Nationals Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/GMNationals

Thanks &amp; please feel free to contact me at any time with any thoughts and/or concerns.
Rick Markko

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I've experienced nothing but cooperation from Rick and his crew before - during - after the SLS events. 1st rate in my book, we'll be back for sure. Thanks Rick and crew.

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Well..... where's the list of paid attendees?