1969 Camaro....is this legal?
 

What do you guys think? Complete Dynacorn body, with a GM trim tag? Is this ok to do as long as the seller does not add the VIN?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dynacorn-...#ht_7455wt_1084

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why would a convertible tie pan be needed for a coupe?

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: al8apex</div><div class="ubbcode-body">why would a convertible tie pan be needed for a coupe? </div></div>
Extra weight?????

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Trim tag to a Dynacorn body is legal everywhere but here in OK.

The vin issue is decided differently in different states. Because the Dynacorn body is now licensed by GM, some states consider it a &quot;restoration&quot; part, meaning that you can use all the other parts (frame, rear axle, drive line trim etc.) from a donor car, affix the vin and call it restored. Under a strict construction of federal law, and most state laws, one cannot remove the vin from the donor car. Period. But, it still happens all the time, and local law enforcement is anything but uniform.

Let's face it, there is a place for the Dynacorn body. But there needs to be a way of identifying a car as such, without having to hire an expert to look at the very subtle differences between a Dynacorn body and an original. In Oklahoma, we are working on a new law that would ALLOW a rebody using a Dynacorn body, but would also REQUIRE that the car be titled as a &quot;REBODY&quot; vehicle. It would be similar to the &quot;SALVAGE&quot; titles issued by most states, and would even be a different color than the standard title. That way there is no fraud, guys still can use a Dynacorn body and build what they want, but it would be virtually impossible to pass it off as an original.

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Sounds like a good ideal but the crooks dont care and the average car guy wont know the difference. I have seen at least 4 camaros built out of firebirds and passed off as real and nothing has been done about it. There is only one good way to use the Dynacorn body and that would be a racecar.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 396L35</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...I have seen at least 4 camaros built out of firebirds and passed off as real </div></div>

<span style="font-weight: bold">Would that be one of the infamous &quot;CamaroBirds&quot;?</span>

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: StealthBird</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What do you guys think? Complete Dynacorn body, with a GM trim tag? Is this ok to do as long as the seller does not add the VIN?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dynacorn-...#ht_7455wt_1084 </div></div>

Trim tag in pics is on a rusty firewall, firewall pic of new body has no tag. But here with the DMV a trim tag means nothing, just the vin.

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Again Lynn's synopsis makes perfect sense!!!
Best of luck on this latest legislation!.

On the eBoy car, if advertising a loose Vin tag is against rules how can a specific Vin be included in the auction?.
If it's not affixed to the car isn't this actually a loose tag being advertised?.

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Not sure I understand all the hate for these Dynacorn bodies...you would have to be pretty...'green' not to know a cra was not constructed from one..and for the guys who don't care..well God Bless 'em...good for them...

I watched a guy buy a clone LS-6 at Carlisle one fall..there was no stoppng him...red flags all over the place...he moved real fast because the car was a super deal, and the seller had a ton of other guys who wanted it...yeah right...I mean he had a build sheet right?

fool and his money..but I'm sure when the guy got home..he told all his buddies he just 'stole' an LS-6...and most of them were green with envy..until he went to get off it...

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Does dynacorn make the 67-68 Camaro coupe yet, this guy on ebay is selling the very first Camaro made 00001. #330465188948. Looks to me like a beat up race car. Now take that vin and put it on a new Dynacorn shell and you got the very first Camaro ever built. Now thats funny!

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lzdick</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 396L35</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...I have seen at least 4 camaros built out of firebirds and passed off as real </div></div>

<span style="font-weight: bold">Would that be one of the infamous &quot;CamaroBirds&quot;?</span> </div></div>




We call them &quot;Firaros&quot; !!

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&quot;Firaros&quot; Thas a good one! I was running a Camaro wanted ad and a guy called, First words out of his mouth &quot;I have exactly what your looking for&quot; Turns out to be a Camaro Bird, Guy actully got mad at me when I told him I was not interested. I do not understand why anyone would take the time to do that....

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scuncio kid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does dynacorn make the 67-68 Camaro coupe yet, this guy on ebay is selling the very first Camaro made 00001. #330465188948. Looks to me like a beat up race car. Now take that vin and put it on a new Dynacorn shell and you got the very first Camaro ever built. Now thats funny! </div></div>

And it would be brand new too!

Jan

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beater68427</div><div class="ubbcode-body">&quot;Firaros&quot; Thas a good one! I was running a Camaro wanted ad and a guy called, First words out of his mouth &quot;I have exactly what your looking for&quot; Turns out to be a Camaro Bird, Guy actully got mad at me when I told him I was not interested. I do not understand why anyone would take the time to do that.... </div></div>


I actually bought 2 'Firaros' back in the day..both off the same guy. One 67 Rs-SS loaded..and one 68 Rs-SS vert. I gave them both thier rightful due !! I parted them both out and sold the parts and scrapped the shells !!

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Don't forget the original 'Firaros' were the SCCA Trans-Am 302 Chevy powered Firebirds of Craig Fisher &amp; Jerry Titus..

http://www.trans-amseries.com/Drivers/MarkBalestra.htm

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That's a nice webpage, and some great photos!

Only thing I noticed that was incorrect was:

&quot;For 1968 and 1969, a loophole in the SCCA rules permitted Pontiac Firebirds to run Chevrolet engines, as that's how they were sold in Canada.&quot;

They never made ANY 67-69 Firebirds with Chevy engines in Canada. The &quot;loophole&quot; that they found was that other Canadian-built Pontiacs were sold with Chevy engines, but never the Firebird. The SCCA didn't bother to check, and the Titus Firebird was allowed to run with a 302.

The reason they used the 302 was that Pontiac and their Special Projects Team were having trouble with their new tunnel-port 303 RAV engine. The 302 was an established engine, using proven factory parts. Pontiac had to start from scratch as they never had a &quot;small block&quot; in their inventory. They had to make a short deck block, forged crank, and heads for a 303. Everything was new, so it took much longer to develop.

Since they needed the racing experience, and Herb Adams had made some significant advances in the suspension area of the F-body, they decided to run a Chevy 302 in order to get track time. The Camaro/Firebird handled phenomenally well, and Herb Adams's suspension work would lay the foundation for the Trans Am.

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Yep you're correct and the loophole actually how 'other Canadian Pontiacs were factory Chevy powered' not the F'Birds..

To further clarify that second paragraph, they never made ANY 67-69 Camaros or F'Birds in Canada period!.

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