One of ? L89 Nova for sale at Russo and Steele
 

This should be interesting... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif
http://www.russoandsteele.com/collec..._/42-6150.html

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I saw this car in person last summer at the Hemming’s Concours show in VT. This should get interesting very quickly. The owner claimed the car was restored by Legendary Motors in Canada but inspected and certified by SCW.

-Dave

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Here's the Hemmings story attached to the R + S write up.

http://www.hemmings.com/mus/stories/...feature14.html

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wow its a locally to me bought car. I used to cruise Hatboro in the late 70's and thats where the original owner was from. n fact I knew exactly where it was from originally

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Someone help me out with this. If this car is a real L89 then why does it have CBT on the protecto ?

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Someone help me out with this. If this car is a real L89 then why does it have CBT on the protecto ?

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CBT is the rear axle code. 3.55 w/posi

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Wasn't this car at SCR in 2007?

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I see the CKT now. Doesn't this prove it's real or can protecto's be falsified this well.

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Been discussed here before. Car was at Vettefest last year for the L78 nova display. Also was at the Nova Nats 2 years ago in Gettysburg. I believe Dave Frendel owned the car then and/or still does.

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I remember the discussion but I don't remember seeing the POP. Does the POP look legit?

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I remember another thread where all the Nova gurus on this forum stated that there was no such thing as an L89 1970 Nova. So whats the deal here?

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MOST of the fake POP's I have seen have non-existent addresses. This address is legit. Someone in that county could check the records to see if Calvin J. White lived there in 1970. That would be a good start. Then, see if he is still alive, etc.

If this is the same car that was at the reunion, then I sat at the table with the owner, along with Kendall T. and some others. Really nice guy. I believe there was also a representative from Legendary there with him as they were still doing some research on detail items to make sure all was correct. It is a gorgeous car. Would be nice to see this settled one way or another.

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I would like to compare that POP with mine,Same car except iron heads,

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The name does not come up in a search for property records of Montgomery County, Pa recorder of deeds office. This is where all the deeds are recorded when property is purchased.
I believe the name on the POP it is Calvin L. White..correct??
The actual address could be searched as to who the owner was, but I have not figured how to obtain the tax lot numer...but a phone call to the Tax-assesor's office could accomlish that.
Unfortunately I'm traveling tomorrow Am...bit I will see what i can dig uo when I get back next week.
The problem is that he could have lived there when he bought the car but not actually have owned the property.

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418 Corinthian Ave, Hatboro, PA

http://maps.google.com/maps?sourceid=nav...rinthian+Avenue,+Hatboro,+PA&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=418+Corinthian+Ave,+Hatboro,+P A+19040&gl=us&ei=l5oMS8bdJ8jYnAfjzc3KAw&am p;sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resn um=1&ved=0CAgQ8gEwAA

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This issue just keeps coming back for more....I think Howie should inspect the car https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/laugh.gif

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I believe the name on the POP it is Calvin L. White..correct??

Yes. I posted Calvin J.... but it is Calvin L.

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Didn't this car have a set of 074 aluminum heads on it when seen at Vette-fest? With factory closed chamber pistons, the compression would not be 11:1, so.........

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Yes to the 074's..

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That's it, throw Howie under the bus. I'm staying out of this one. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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Possible scenario: If the car has 074 open chamber heads, and if 12.5:1 closed chamber pistons were used would that not put the squeeze around 11:1? I feel if the car is legit then the owner should have no problem with sharing all the internals of the engine. Dates and Part numbers on the heads, Piston compression ratio and part numbers, Is the Deck surface original where the stampings are. Does the vin number on the trans match the same font as the engine deck? Also I agree that if he could get a hold of Calvin ------ of Hatboro PA. he should do everything to get a hold of this original owner. I for one would like to get this myth dispelled once and for all. LETS GET THE FULL STORY!!!!! Theres more to tell than the POP https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif

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Here's a Calvin, don't know if he is the same one. Info gotten from public access internet site;

CALVIN L WHITE
405 RUTGERS CT
BENSALEM, PA 19020 (215) 604-0577

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I think your onto something!!! I did a Mapquest and its only 12.5 miles from Hatboro PA. Something that anybody on the computer can do.

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Probably the guy, how many Calvin L White's (near Hatboro) can there be.? This should get good if Ol' Cal answers the phone. Sammy go bang on his door

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Both addresses are within minutes of me but i do not believe the two guys are the same person.

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Send Donny and Sammy to the guys house...hopefully they bring a Flip video camera https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smirk.gif

I can see it now...

Good afternoon Mr. X...we are with the SYC Automotive Authenticity Squad...we understand you once owned a.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif

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Possible scenario: If the car has 074 open chamber heads, and if 12.5:1 closed chamber pistons were used would that not put the squeeze around 11:1? I feel if the car is legit then the owner should have no problem with sharing all the internals of the engine. Dates and Part numbers on the heads, Piston compression ratio and part numbers, Is the Deck surface original where the stampings are. Does the vin number on the trans match the same font as the engine deck? Also I agree that if he could get a hold of Calvin ------ of Hatboro PA. he should do everything to get a hold of this original owner. I for one would like to get this myth dispelled once and for all. LETS GET THE FULL STORY!!!!! Theres more to tell than the POP https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif

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What's the truth about this snippet from the Hemmings story.

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On the mechanical side, Brian Henderson of Super Car Workshop, who had recommended Legendary when his own slate was full, examined the block's decks to see if the factory broach marks were intact; this was a means of determining if the code and VIN stampings were legit or recreations. Reportedly, despite initial skepticism, Henderson came away convinced that the engine was unmolested; because the CKT code is unique to an L89 Nova, this looks to be the only one known to exist.

After Henderson looked at the engine, Legendary had Active Engines in Mississauga, Ontario, go through the block again. Top-end assembly was done in-house at Legendary, where the paint finish was also handled. Klutt revealed that for true restorations, they prefer to use spray cans to paint the engine. "Using mixed paint in a gun produces a fantastic-looking engine, but it's not correct. The paint build is too high, and it fills in the texture of the castings." Legendary also replicates factory overspray, drips and runs, again as gleaned from original cars and experts.

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I don't think public posting of someones home phone number is very cool without their permission... with that said.... call him quick !!

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I thought about that, but the number was available/listed through Zabasearch.

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HOWIE SUCKS!!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Both addresses are within minutes of me but i do not believe the two guys are the same person.

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there's only one way to find out......

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According to the Montgomery County Tax records, Alvin and his wife Barbara sold 418 Corinthian in October of 2004. That's pretty encouraging. Don't you think the current Nova owner would have tried to track him down?

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i hope somebody gets to the bottom of this .is there a legit L-89 nova out there or not.Keep plugging guys;alot of us want to put this to rest one way or another.chris

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Your the ONE that was on your knees over the weekend!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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You all sound like a bunch of stalkers looking up Mr. White's past addresses, phone numbers, heck......even his actual existance.

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Russo put the POP on their webpage with the name and old address. Putting that address into superpages.com to get a name and using that name to get public tax records... well yeah it's a little stalkerish.
Honestly, I was doubtful that the address was legit so I didn't expect to find anything.

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According to the Montgomery County Tax records, Alvin and his wife Barbara sold 418 Corinthian in October of 2004. That's pretty encouraging. Don't you think the current Nova owner would have tried to track him down?

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A couple of years ago when he was at Vettefest......I had a conversation with the owner and he said he was the fifth owner of the car...He also said he had all the names of the previous owners......I asked if he had contacted them to establish a Documented History of the car as the POP (as I was told) is the only Paperwork with the car......he said he had called them and left messages, but they had never called back.......Hummmm!!!!........then we got into the 074 heads and the conversation went down hill real fast https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/blush.gif ......other than that I defer to the Experts https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif

Ken https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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Well, who's gonna make the call ?? Somebody's has to know the facts on this car.
Does anybody know someone who worked on the production line at Willow Run back then that could answer the aluminum head question ?? The truth is out there somewhere. If this goes on much longer, we might have to call unsolved mysteries to get the answer. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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Also was at the Nova Nats 2 years ago in Gettysburg. I believe Dave Frendel owned the car then and/or still does.

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Dave Frendel owned it at the 2008 Nova Nationals in Gettysburg. I seem to remember a couple of guys named Grady and Mike stole the show that year with a certain 1969 Nova. They cleaned up. Dave did not seem too happy about that. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/mad.gif
Also Wayne Bushey discussed in length the L-89 option with Mr. Frendel at the nationals that year.

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To dispel all myths and questions about my car, I can assure you that its real and the only one. I bought the car in 2003 from a guy in Long Island. I was looking for an L78 car when I came across my car. The original engine block, heads, intake, water pump, and carb as well as the original tranny and rear came with the car. During restoration at Legendary, they disassembled the engine in front of me, BKH, and Klutt to examine the broach marks and dates. All of the engine components were authenticated at that time as original and numbers matching. Brian examined all of the drivetrain components with magnifying glass as well as the POP. I wanted to know the truth if the car was real or not before I decided to proceed on a very expensive and lengthy restoration. all of the hidden sheet metal VINs were also found and examined. Every engine, drivetrain, and body component is correct. I have a list of every date and code on the car (and close up photos) which I will bring to the R & S auction. As far as contacting the owner on the POP; I tried several years to call all of the calvin whites in Hatboro and surrounding towns, but no luck. I also tried to contact the chevy dealer (stahl chevrolet in southampton) and had no luck. Once the car was examined in detail by Brian and Klutt and a full report was made I was convinced that my car was real and VERY VALUABLE. I showed the car in a few national concourse (Greenwich, Meadowbrook, and New England) events as well as vettefest twice and NNN nationals. Anyone who has met me at the shows and seen the car knows how spectacular this Nova is. I can be contacted via this site or call my cell if you have any questions or comments. The new owner who buys my car at R&S auction will be getting one of the rarest chevy supercars ever produced.
Dave 201-965-5563