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I know this is basically a GM site but I am looking for opinions throughout the hobby on the value of this car.

First year for the 426 street Hemi.

Dodge only built 11 BASE Coronet 2 door sedans with a 426 Hemi and a 4 speed. This is one of those cars. I have only seen ONE for sale EVER.

This is a no chrome, rubber floor mat car that was order as an all business racer. This car has NO options other than the standard equipment that came with the Hemi. No radio and no heater. This is not your run of the mill (if there is such a thing) 66 Hemi car, it is a very rare model.

Until I bought it, it had never been titled or licensed.

This is a California/Arizona rust free, uncut, original sheet metal, no body damage car that was bought new to race. Only 36 HUNDRED miles.

Original matching numbers car with documentation.

Fresh rebuilt engine to NHRA blueprint specs.

The weak point of this car is the paint. Although it does not show in the pictures there are waves in the paint, NOT the metal. It needs to have the sides blocked and resprayed. This car does not need the door jams, trunk or engine bay redone it is basically the sides but of course I would do the entire exterior surfaces. Here is a link to a photo album of the car and scans of the documentation.

http://s283.photobucket.com/albums/k...emi%20Coronet/

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Dodge only built 11 BASE Coronet 2 door sedans with a 426 Hemi and a 4 speed.

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Those numbers are for US-spec cars only. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Allright.....here's my OPINION. (You asked.)
$45K.
Though '66 Plymouth Satellite and '66 Charger Hemis are among my favorites, I have always been ASTOUNDED how unloved they are compared to '68-70 cars, particularly since the engine is essentially the same. But the image, and thus demand just isn't there. They will always be the "bargain" of Hemi cars, due to less demand and relatively high production numbers.

The lack of options is drag-oriented and cool, but we're not talking an actual drag package car like a '67 WO23, so it DOESN'T ADD VALUE in the end. It becomes a buyer preference issue. In the same condition I don't believe this car brings any more money than a bucket seat loaded Coronet hardtop in good colors. Just buyers with different tastes.

Finally, though it sounds like a very nice car, I see a full repaint in its future. It sounds like it was a drag car in its previous life and was going to be a FAST-type warrior, so the trim probably has some "patina" that isn't going to go with a show repaint. I know you believe the exterior is all that needs to be shot, but on $50K plus cars, its a leap of faith to hope that you're going to get a perfect blend with the old paint when you redo it. Its nice when it happens, but I think most savvy buyers know its a coin toss as to whether doing a partial repaint will be successful.

I see there are still guys with '66 Dodge and Plymouth Hemis still asking 6 figures. I think they're deluded. In Jan '07, at the TIP TOP of the market, the NICEST ORIGINAL '66 Satellite Hemi extant, the ex-Pat McGruder/Gary McKay 1700 original mile car sold for $125K, and I think there were only 2 guys bidding past $100K. It sold for about half that when McGruder's "Factory Muscle" collection was dispersed, and was one of the last cars of that collection to be sold (and not becuase they were hiding it). The only other '66 Hemi Car that I know of to compare the Satellite to would be the mauve 6000 mile Hemi Charger. A well known drag car like Jere Stahl's Belvedere would certainly bring a premium, or one of the handful of Belvedere ragtops. You might talk about the '66 4 door that brought the big money, but we all remember how long that car ran around before it found the right two guys to bid it up.
But at the end of the day, most 66 Hemis have always seemed to sell for a 30-50% discount from whatever equivalent'68-70 B-bodies sell for. It appears $60K or 70K buys you a very nice '66 Hemi car without much of a to-do list.

Well, there's my take on it. And until somebody actually pays you money for your car, its neither RIGHT or WRONG at this point. Its my OPINION.

Good luck. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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How correct is the driveline? I see its missing a few of the detail pieces. Friend sold his real born with 426 motor all born with sheetmetal Bel. for 90k and it was correct correct correct down to date coded tires.

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Many 68 and all 67 back Mopars did not have the V.I.N. stamped on the engine or trans.

The engine for this car is casting date correct for the year and the scheduled production date, so the ASSUMPTION is that it is the original engine. The trans is a 1968 and the rear end is correct 1966 Dana.

What detail pieces do you see that it is missing? If you are talking about original type battery or date coded belts and wiring, that is for the buyer to add if it is a concern. They are normal wear items so I don't bother with them.

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I like the color myself, I would be tempted to clean up some of the easy stuff, IE shifter, distributor, wires and coil, radiator cap, decals, and the such, good luck with the dash pad, A friend of mine has bean trying to sell a 66 belvedere convert 4 speed, that has had a high detail restoration, he can't seem to pull the 2005 money out of this car as nice as it is, I see nothing wrong with painting the exterior of the car, paint match shouldn't be that big an issue, unless the car has a race history that can be documented, I would make it look as original as possable, "COOL CAR" either way

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I don't know what your car is worth, but thought I would post a photo of a similiar car. I went to high school with the owner. His dad bought it new and he inherited it several years ago. It's a 4 speed but I don't know how it's optioned, otherwise.




http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...4/DCP_0660.jpg

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I like the color myself, I would be tempted to clean up some of the easy stuff, IE shifter, distributor, wires and coil, radiator cap, decals, and the such, good luck with the dash pad, A friend of mine has bean trying to sell a 66 belvedere convert 4 speed, that has had a high detail restoration, he can't seem to pull the 2005 money out of this car as nice as it is, I see nothing wrong with painting the exterior of the car, paint match shouldn't be that big an issue, unless the car has a race history that can be documented, I would make it look as original as possable, "COOL CAR" either way

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I too like the color. I am not a fan of green but the turquoise is really more of a blue-green, and I LOVE blue.

Those are personal taste and race specific item. In fact, I bought and installed the pistol grip shifter for the car for myself as it is the most race/shift friendly shifter I have ever used.

I rebuilt this car with the intentions of racing it in a stock NHRA class thinking I could get away without having to install a roll bar. That has turned out not to be the case, and street racing is just to expensive if you get caught today. So with this in mind I just can't bring myself to put a roll bar in this car, so it is for sale.

I have one of the original crappy Inland shifters for the car that goes with it if someone wants to re-install it. The distributor and wires are not that big of a deal regarding cost. I truely believe that anyone that wants to buy this car will want to race it and will be satisfied with it as is with regards to these things. Maybe I am wrong. However when I look at a car that has something I would want changed I simply factor the cost of it into my offer. I also have the original hub caps, an extra hood, and a fiberglass Hemi hood scoop that will go with the car as well.

This car would make a great F.A.S.T. car with factory exhaust manifolds rather than the headers.

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I don't know what your car is worth, but thought I would post a photo of a similiar car. I went to high school with the owner. His dad bought it new and he inherited it several years ago. It's a 4 speed but I don't know how it's optioned, otherwise.




http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...4/DCP_0660.jpg

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That appears to be a nice original looking car.

That Is a Coronet DELUXE and is the next step up in the price catagory for 1966 from the BASE model. After the Deluxe there is a 440 and a 500 model.

They built 49 1966 Coronet Deluxe 2 door sedans with a Hemi. 31 4 speeds and 18 autos, so that car is one of 31 built.

The deluxe had the side chrome, chrome drip rail moulding, a different seat upholstery, and color keyed (rather than black) rubber floor mat.
The BASE model had none of those things. The only chrome the BASE model has are the Coronet & Dodge emblems, grille, tail lights, windshield and rear window surround, bumpers, and the small peice at the base of the "C" pillar.

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http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/k...et/66HEMI5.jpg

I think the color is great, personally I would not reshoot it and let it stand on it's own. (let the buyer factor the refinish (or not) into his offer)

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I think the correct color name is >

medium aqua metallic

we (my parents) had a Polara wagon the same color in '65 and i'm 99% positive of the color description...

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A friend of mine has one of the 11 made in dark blue with dark blue int. 4spd. located in east Mesa. nice car as well.

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http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/k...et/66HEMI5.jpg

I think the color is great, personally I would not reshoot it and let it stand on it's own. (let the buyer factor the refinish (or not) into his offer)

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Those are my intentions at this time.

I have sold MANY cars over the years long distance and sight unseen for the buyer. More often than not the buyers after receiving the car have called and thanked me stating that the car was better than they were expecting. This is why I prefer to point out what I feel are negatives up front on a car like this.

This car is not for EVERY buyer. It looks like a grandma grocery getter. No evidence of it being a performance car other than the small engine emblem. Basically a drag car although it is perfectly street drivable as a fair weather car.

It is a car that the people that appreciate a stripped down, all business, sleeper, factory build, low mileage, original type car will find attractive for what it is.

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I think the correct color name is >

medium aqua metallic

we (my parents) had a Polara wagon the same color in '65 and i'm 99% positive of the color description...

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According to the original 1966 Dodge PPG color sheet I have the color name is PALE, MED. TURQUOISE POLT code 12898, although everyone that i have ever spoken to always refers to it as Medium Turquoise.

Even with Chrysler they had different marketing names for the same color depending if it was a Dodge or a Plymouth as example.

Also, your parents car was a "C" body which often times had colors that were exclusively available to those models. Often they were shade differences of colors available on other models in the same year.

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A friend of mine has one of the 11 made in dark blue with dark blue int. 4spd. located in east Mesa. nice car as well.

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I have sent you a PM.

If it is, I would certainly like to speak with the owner. There is a possibility of this as when I bought my vanity plates for the car I had requested 1 OF 11 and it was not available. They would not give me the complete V.I.N. of the car that had the plate but did tell me that it was a 1966 Dodge beginning WE21. So I got ONE OF 11 for my car.
I have never been able to track down this car through my Mopar contacts here in Arizona.

Typically when I hear this it turns out to be a Coronet Deluxe and NOT the BASE model. I here this often and seldom does it turn out to be a BASE model.

I have been collecting info for these 11 cars since I bought mine and so far have V.I.N. verification on the following:

1. My car

2. A matching color combo to my car

3. A dark Blue car that sold on Ebay approximately 4 years ago. Possibly this is the car in Mesa? Was it restored in Texas (I think) by Bob West?

4. a Silver car that was stolen in 1969 that the owner still has the V.I.N. and continues to look for the car and has never been discovered.

I have other info on SUPPOSED cars that I do NOT have V.I.N.s for. One is a dark Blue car and the other is a Black car with Gold interior.

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Wasn't there someone in Prescott that had one? He has a stash of great cars that hide back in his machine shop.

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Not that I am aware of.

I live fairly close to Prescott and know some car guys there as well as a guy that has a LOT of old hipo stuff and used to work for Mickie Thompson back in the day. He has a Thunderbolt amoung many others.

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Anyone else have an opinion of value on this car?

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What do you think it is worth? I am guessing here but I would say between 50-65k. Place it up on Ebay with the reserve you want and see what the open market dictates. Good time of year to try, there will be those that get their annual bonuses. Chances are it will get some good exposure and a real buyer will contact you through Ebay.

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What do you think it is worth? I am guessing here but I would say between 50-65k. Place it up on Ebay with the reserve you want and see what the open market dictates. Good time of year to try, there will be those that get their annual bonuses. Chances are it will get some good exposure and a real buyer will contact you through Ebay.

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I don't want this to be considered a "for sale" ad.

There is no secret about what I think it is worth as I have had it listed here in the classified section with trade possibilities as well.

I also had it listed as a classified ad on Ebay last week and only had one inquiry on it during that time.

Here is a link to that expired ad:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...e=STRK:MEUSX:IT

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how did the one inquiry work out?

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Here was the inquiry:

Do you have ALL the paperwork to back this car up. All numbers MATCHING is a must !!
Thanks Mark

I sent him the picture album with additional pictures and scans of all the documentation and never got any further response. I sent him a second email asking if he got it and had any interest, never heard anything back.

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Here was the inquiry:

Do you have ALL the paperwork to back this car up. All numbers MATCHING is a must !!
Thanks Mark

I sent him the picture album with additional pictures and scans of all the documentation and never got any further response. I sent him a second email asking if he got it and had any interest, never heard anything back.

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Not exactly a sellers market for sure. Re list and see how it goes. It may take a while to find the one buyer.

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Here was the inquiry:

Do you have ALL the paperwork to back this car up. All numbers MATCHING is a must !!
Thanks Mark

I sent him the picture album with additional pictures and scans of all the documentation and never got any further response. I sent him a second email asking if he got it and had any interest, never heard anything back.

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Not exactly a sellers market for sure. Re list and see how it goes. It may take a while to find the one buyer.

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At this point I will not advertise it again anytime soon.

I will probably put it on the tow dolly and haul it down to the Scottsdale Pavillions show during the big auctions and see if I get any action on it. Nothing like seeing the car in person for a potential buyer. My camera is not the best and the pictures are not great.

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Since you asked for opinions, I feel that your asking price is about 40k too high.

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Now that I have responses to this I will make a few comments.

This is specific to MY car but should be read, considered, and dissected for use in other cases of WIW threads.

Regarding the opinion of member tom406 and to be fair in this, I see by his profile that he lists his occupation as a collector auto sales/appraisals. This is not a slight or slam of his opinion or occupation, but rather an observation for others reading this for their consideration, and is simply a response with MY opinion.

While not shocked by his value opinion of $45K based on what I see currently for high bid prices on Ebay of UNSOLD 1966-67 Hemi cars I can't agree with this valuation. Why? Several reasons.

1. You could not buy a rust free 1966 body and build a CLONE of this car for $45K.

2. UNSOLD bid prices mean nothing other than it shows the seller is not willing to sell for those prices. We have many people in this market wanting to buy cars at a steal price, but that only works when a seller is willing to allow it to happen.

3. While many in the hobby don't WANT to accept the auction sales and the collector car price guide prices of these cars, those are the FACTS of what these cars are actually SELLING for.

4. I subscribe to Collector Car Market Review which in their current issue STILL value these cars @ $83K for a #1 car. No, my car is not a #1 car by there description because of the paint. The paint cost is NOT that big of an expense on this car but I am reluctant to do it because some people want to do their own thing so I will leave it alone at this point. There HAS to be some kind of value adder to this car based on the rarity of the car for the original number of cars built.

5. Comparisons to other cars for sale listed on this site that others seem to agree with the asking prices that are WAY out of line compared to the $45K stated here for MY car. I think all will agree that these old MUSCLE car values are primarily derived by h.p. and rarity. The one current example I show below is a 350 h.p. car in a slightly lighter body, but still could not hold a candle to a heavier Hemi car both in the same tune on the 1320. I know this is a predominately GM site and there certainly has to be some bias, but it seems from the comments of others in the linked thread that they believe it is worth the asking price. So MY car is worth 25% LESS than this car? The owner refers to the car as a survivor however I think that MOST in the hobby will disagree since it has had a complete repaint. Survivors are nice to have in the hobby as examples to rely on for the rest of us, however often times the owners get bored looking at these "tired" cars and then end up spending the cost of a restoration on a car that they paid EXTRA for because of it's survivor condition. STILL, THE CAR IN THE LINK IS A NICE CAR.


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These are just my comments and OPINION based on the above facts I am pointing to. The bottom line is that unless something drastically changes in the near future of my financial condition, I would not consider selling my car for anywhere near $45K. I have been researching the number of these 1 of 11 cars known to exist and there is only one other that I have found that the owner would entertain selling his for $100K PLUS. No, I have not sold my car but if there is a buyer out there that is SPECIFICALLY interested in buying one of these cars due to it's rarity, what are his choices?

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In todays market worth or value is a real hard number to grasp. In reality it is worth only what the current market is willing to pay. Even the "one" buyer that knows it is what it is will be reluctant to pay more than what he would if he had to resell it in the same market place. Reminds me of a home that is was worth over 2 million close to 2 years ago is now on the market for half that. If you list it for 95k the odds are that you will be waiting for that one special buyer for a while. It reminds me of real estate DOM aka days on market, the higher priced are the ones that sit on market the longest mainly because there are fewer that can afford that price range. In a good economy it becomes more of a sellers market which not what we have today. Your best bet it to direct your advertising towards the select few that can realistically afford the price range you feel it is worth. Ebay is a great tool for advertising and in some cases provide a sale. The price range I estimated earlier myself was a number I feel would SELL the car.

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Now that I have responses to this I will make a few comments.

This is specific to MY car but should be read, considered, and dissected for use in other cases of WIW threads.

Regarding the opinion of member tom406 and to be fair in this, I see by his profile that he lists his occupation as a collector auto sales/appraisals. This is not a slight or slam of his opinion or occupation, but rather an observation for others reading this for their consideration, and is simply a response with MY opinion.

While not shocked by his value opinion of $45K based on what I see currently for high bid prices on Ebay of UNSOLD 1966-67 Hemi cars I can't agree with this valuation. Why? Several reasons.

1. You could not buy a rust free 1966 body and build a CLONE of this car for $45K.

2. UNSOLD bid prices mean nothing other than it shows the seller is not willing to sell for those prices. We have many people in this market wanting to buy cars at a steal price, but that only works when a seller is willing to allow it to happen.

3. While many in the hobby don't WANT to accept the auction sales and the collector car price guide prices of these cars, those are the FACTS of what these cars are actually SELLING for.

4. I subscribe to Collector Car Market Review which in their current issue STILL value these cars @ $83K for a #1 car. No, my car is not a #1 car by there description because of the paint. The paint cost is NOT that big of an expense on this car but I am reluctant to do it because some people want to do their own thing so I will leave it alone at this point. There HAS to be some kind of value adder to this car based on the rarity of the car for the original number of cars built.

5. Comparisons to other cars for sale listed on this site that others seem to agree with the asking prices that are WAY out of line compared to the $45K stated here for MY car. I think all will agree that these old MUSCLE car values are primarily derived by h.p. and rarity. The one current example I show below is a 350 h.p. car in a slightly lighter body, but still could not hold a candle to a heavier Hemi car both in the same tune on the 1320. I know this is a predominately GM site and there certainly has to be some bias, but it seems from the comments of others in the linked thread that they believe it is worth the asking price. So MY car is worth 25% LESS than this car? The owner refers to the car as a survivor however I think that MOST in the hobby will disagree since it has had a complete repaint. Survivors are nice to have in the hobby as examples to rely on for the rest of us, however often times the owners get bored looking at these "tired" cars and then end up spending the cost of a restoration on a car that they paid EXTRA for because of it's survivor condition. STILL, THE CAR IN THE LINK IS A NICE CAR.


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These are just my comments and OPINION based on the above facts I am pointing to. The bottom line is that unless something drastically changes in the near future of my financial condition, I would not consider selling my car for anywhere near $45K. I have been researching the number of these 1 of 11 cars known to exist and there is only one other that I have found that the owner would entertain selling his for $100K PLUS. No, I have not sold my car but if there is a buyer out there that is SPECIFICALLY interested in buying one of these cars due to it's rarity, what are his choices?

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I have a perfectly restored, original 7,000 mile 66 Hemi Coronet 500(see pic). It is a console 4 speed car with a bunch of nice options. My car is light years nicer than the one shown and I have no delusions of what it might be worth. You keep bringing up the fact that it's rare, well, 6 cylinder Chargers are rare as well. Rarity and desirability do not always go hand in hand. That body style isn't very attractive by most everyone's standards as the hardtops generally are more valuable. Unless you are talking about factory racecars(which this car is not), then the lack of options becomes a downgrade . That's the way it is, even though some might not want to hear it. That car would probably have a very hard time finding a home for more than 35-40K in this market. And that transaction itself will not be easy.. You had it on ebay for the WHOLE WORLD to see and no one took the bait. I think you have all of the market research you need.

Bottom line is a motor vehicle(or anything else for that matter) is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it at any given time. Period and end of story.....

And if you are going to attack the credibility of people who choose to give an opinion, you asked for opinions so why so defensive??

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[quoteAnd if you are going to attack the credibility of people who choose to give an opinion, you asked for opinions so why so defensive??

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I am not being defensive at all. In fact, I made the following statement at the top of my post to hopefully besure it was NOT taken that way.

"Regarding the opinion of member tom406 and to be fair in this, I see by his profile that he lists his occupation as a collector auto sales/appraisals. This is not a slight or slam of his opinion or occupation, but rather an observation for others reading this for their consideration, and is simply a response with MY opinion."

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What Greg said is pretty dead on. Anyone can ask for anything just like you seen on ebay. Then you wonder why they aren't sold. All one can go by is what stuff is actually getting traded for and what people will pay for it in CASH.

It doesn't matter if its a house, a car or a x-wife. Keep the tow dolly at home and drive it to the show and have some fun with it like it was (I'm going to assume here) meant for. And don't forget to put your foot into it a little bit above 60 so you keep your smile glued to your face.

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For the record, I've taken no offense at this thread. I knew the pond I was wading into and decided to throw my 2 cents in. While we may disagree on the market value of this particular car, I appreciate your comment. Again, good luck. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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if you're so confident in the value,throw it on ebay with no reserve.

youll find out what it's worth in a week. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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if you're so confident in the value,throw it on ebay with no reserve.

youll find out what it's worth in a week. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Not willing to do that.

It is a special car that will take a special buyer. Who knows where he is or where and when he is looking.

I am just pointing out what has sold recently and for how much according to the surveyed market and a comparision to other cars for MORE money that I am scratching my head about. I have sratched my head about the same thing regarding 57 Chevy passenger car pricing in the past vs. 57 Corvettes. Often times the passenger cars were selling for MORE than the Corvettes in like condition and equipment. When I was a kid in the 60s guys were buying used 57 passenger cars rather than the 57 Corvette they REALLY wanted but could not afford. Today they buy the same car they had in the past due to nostalgia and fail to think they could buy the Corvette they WANTED back in the day for the same price now and buy the passenger car. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif

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"It is a special car that will take a special buyer. Who knows where he is or where and when he is looking."



by now I'm guessing he ain't HERE !!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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well,isnt that spaaacialll

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I would put it in hemmings or ebay. There is a ton of stuff sold off auction so don't get discouraged if you see things not sold on completed auctions. call up a few folks that have similar cars to see if they sold. I was selling a 55 c300 hemi car once and got bummed when I saw a completed auction go on a similar car and thought that was my target sell price, so I was going to lower my price to a guy that wanted my car. I decided to call the guy with the similar car (that did not sell) and found out it sold for a lot more outside of the auction. That move saved me a ton on pricing my car.
It will take a while to sell a car like this, one of the prototypes for the 67 WO/RO cars went for huge money very recently, who knows how your car relates to that. Putting cool wheels on it like the wheels the other guy has, or cragars (like on my 67 gtx), could only help draw people to it. I really like that other hemi car on this thread versus yours because of how it is presented, yet they are the same car.
good luck and be patient. -bob

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"It is a special car that will take a special buyer. Who knows where he is or where and when he is looking."



by now I'm guessing he ain't HERE !!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I FIRST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THOSE THAT HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THIS THREAD. I DON'T WANT THE BELOW TO BE TAKEN PERSONALLY OR AS DEROGATORY BY THE QUOTED POSTER OR ANYONE ELSE, SIMPLY READ IT FOR WHAT IT SAYS AND DON'T READ ANYTHING INTO IT.

We don't know one another and I have no idea of where your expertise lies.

I joined this site because of it's name and because I have and have owned many super cars in my lifetime

I really didn't expect to particularly find a buyer for my car on this site. I did advertise it here basically for trade as many people today are "car rich and cash poor." Many in the hobby are not always brand loyal, such as myself that love many different makes and models of old muscle cars. So my hopes were that I may find someone here that had an interest in doing some trading plus cash.

Since you don't know me I will give you some background on myself. I began selling Dodges and AMCs NEW in 1968. I spent 30 years in the automotive arena in some form or another. Auto sales and management, owned an auto repair shop, body shop, and was the fleet manager for one of the worlds largest Nissan dealerships selling over 1300 cars per year in my department alone EXCLUDING rental cars. Additionally, in the last 42 years I have personally owned approximately 150 cars most of which were muscle, sports, antique, and special interest cars. I have owned about 20 Corvettes alone ranging from 1954-1973 as well as 409, and 454/450 cars.

As you can see, I am no stranger to the hobby or auto sales. Although I have attended B-J as well as many other classic car auctions for 27 consecutive years I have never bought or sold a car at one of these auctions. I have always sold my cars through my own marketing efforts.

I posted the WIW for my car to see what the reaction to it would be on this site. I KNOW what the car is worth and I also know what the challenges are to sell a car like this especially in this market. The facts are that there are many Hemi cars out there right now that can be purchased for a considerable discount from prices 3 years ago, as with many other muscle cars of other makes and models. I find it quite amusing that I had WIW comments of as low as $45K when I have not seen ANY REAL Hemi car sell that low in the last 7 years. I have been tracking Hemi "B" body sales since 1998. Today, even a project 66/67 Hemi car WITHOUT engine or drivetrain sells for a bare minimum of about $6-7K. If anyone can show me a bonified sale for less on a project as mentioned OR a REAL 66/67 Hemi car that is remotely close to the condition of mine for under $50K I would be VERY interested to hear about it.

I see many throwing around prices on different web sites for WIW Hemi cars in the $50K price range but have yet to see one sell for that recently. A lot of this is "wishful thinking."

At this point I WANT to sell my car, but I don't HAVE to sell it either. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

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i see it's working great here https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif



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At this point I WANT to sell my car, but I don't HAVE to sell it either. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

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lmao yeah sure whatever https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

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In the last 12 months I have sold off 350k in collector cars in order to complete the construction of our new home. I would have liked to have sold a few of my cars for 25% more based on 2-3 years ago pricing but the market was and is not going to pay it. My thoughts on the value of yours was based more on the recent experience I have had selling mine.

I had a 1970 Cuda, BS23Uxxxxxx that was completely restored down to the unabody on a rotisserie, many NOS parts used on a 50,000 original mile Cuda. A Ray Barton 528 Hemi and an an EFI was set up on it. Too much to list. Went to a collector in Florida that just loves it. Here is a link on that car, it had been in many Mopar mags., and Car Craft, Oct. '99. Had it for ten years and bought it from Matt Delaney. http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/f...uda/index.html
During the height of the market this could have sold for 100k to the right buyer. I tried hard to get more but the money and buyer(s) were not out there. IMO the market has gotten much worse since I sold it.

Bottom line is money is tight, unemployment is high, credit is squeezed, and those with money are thinking hard as to if they should be buying at all. This all contributes to a real buyers market.

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In the last 12 months I have sold off 350k in collector cars in order to complete the construction of our new home. I would have liked to have sold a few of my cars for 25% more based on 2-3 years ago pricing but the market was and is not going to pay it. My thoughts on the value of yours was based more on the recent experience I have had selling mine.

I had a 1970 Cuda, BS23U xxxxxx that was completely restored down to the unabody on a rotisserie, many NOS parts used on a 50,000 original mile Cuda. A Ray Barton 528 Hemi and an an EFI was set up on it. Too much to list. Went to a collector in Florida that just loves it. Here is a link on that car, it had been in many Mopar mags., and Car Craft, Oct. '99. Had it for ten years and bought it from Matt Delaney. http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/f...uda/index.html
During the height of the market this could have sold for 100k to the right buyer. I tried hard to get more but the money and buyer(s) were not out there. IMO the market has gotten much worse since I sold it.

Bottom line is money is tight, unemployment is high, credit is squeezed, and those with money are thinking hard as to if they should be buying at all. This all contributes to a real buyers market.

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I appreciate your comments and thoughts You are spot on with your remarks about the bottom line.

I know that it is hard to determine the true meaning of the written word. Many apparently think that I have my nose out of joint over this thread, but I can assure you that I don't. None of the people that have contributed to this thread are buyers for this car and are simply stating what they THINK is a value on my car. I don't take offense at any of it.

Thanks for the info and link. That is a nice car. Unfortunately as you know Mopar E bodies took some of the hardest hits in the last 3 years on prices.

Although you did not state a sales price for the Cuda and neither does the article, I know that YOU are aware of it but for the benifit of others here that don't know, the "U" in the V.I.N. of this car means it was originally a 440/375 h.p. 4 barrel car NOT an original Hemi car. I just don't want others to try and compare this as a REAL Hemi car for pricing comparisions.