Crash Test 59 Chevy vs New Malibu
 

Phil "Woj" sent me this, kind of makes you ill watching it https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif

http://www.examiner.com/x-696-Auto-Exami...d-the-winner-is

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I recently saw that on one of the news channels. It appeared to be a completely restored car they used and was likely bought off ebay for the sole purpose of destroying it. The video was an eye opener but what a waste of what appeared to be a fairly nice car. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif

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I hate Surf Control at work! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif

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[b]Yikes!

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At least it's a 4 door....man, that got tore up, which surprised me a lot.

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Wow...we've come a long way. I guess crumple zones are for real.

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I'm not buying any of it!! Looks like 100% staged to me. There is no way that a "Sherman Tank" like that 59 is going to crumble like that by being hit by that new Chevy.. I see lots of accidents in my job and this is just not going to happen!! Somebody "made up" this video....

Rich

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------I can see two sides to this wreck. 1st. How rusty and degraded was the frame and entire structure of the 59??? Then, on the other side of the coin, The 59 is an X-frame and I would think that the driver to driver hit would be the worst hit a 59 could take. Theres no outer perimeter to keep the Malibu out of the drivers compartment.......Bill S

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Did you see the rust & dust flying from the 59. The whole thing was staged. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

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Here's another clip which shows some inside shots. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d309Q...response_watch

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At the new video, look at the 59's left front wheel. It's pushed right up in the drivers leg and ends up under the drivers door. There is nothing at all that stops the other car.

In 50 years some safety improvements have been made.

Jan

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There is absolutely nothing to these old cars front ends. Notice the Malibu finally stops when it hits the Impalas cowl area. Most of those old GM cars had front clips held on by 8-10 bolts. There is nothing there to absorb a collision.

Here are two photos of a GTO that hit a tree then a utility pole. Notice what where the pole stopped, the cowl just like the Impala.

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/4375/42138020.jpg

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4628/30681184.jpg

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This is a sobering video, and just demonstrates what most of us already know, particularly those of us who drive pre '74 stuff. As for the conspiracy theories about a horribly rusty car being used, I don't think its true. I had a '63 Galaxie with not a hint of rust that must have had 5 lbs of rust colored clay dust stuck inside the frame rails. But on this '59, it looks like all the the rust and dust that was being held at the bottom of the pontoon fender and rocker was shot out in a cloud. Sorry, I don't see a conspiracy. And while the offset driver crash is probably the worst case scenario for the '59, its the most likely kind of collision I expect when driving my old cars, ie someone in oncoming traffic drifting in front of me. I drive my old cars the same way I drive motorcycles-defensively and on full alert. I figure I'm almost as vulnerable.

And yes, I did run my '57 Bel Air through the gears the other night, lap belt fastened, looking at that metal dash and feeling vulnerable. Then I caught 3rd gear and thought about more positive things https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif ( I guess I don't ALWAYS drive defensively)

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There goes my theory about driving one daily! WOW!

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So far, only the Mopar and Chevy people are skeptical. Everyone else seems to "get it."

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I always drive my '68 defensively. I do want to put some three point harnesses in it. I know they aren't as safe as the new cars but they are still a blast to drive.

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Whatever https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smirk.gif

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I'm not buying any of it!! Looks like 100% staged to me. There is no way that a "Sherman Tank" like that 59 is going to crumble like that by being hit by that new Chevy.. I see lots of accidents in my job and this is just not going to happen!! Somebody "made up" this video....

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I am with you with that THERE IS NO WAY an 09 malbu is safer than the 59 I have worked on many 59 chevys and they were tanks like to see what a 59 caddy or Imperal would to to the new malbu
THIS WAS STAGED I am NOT BUYING IN TO THIS https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

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A 1959 is safer than a 2009?

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Personally, I think it is real. Safety has come a long way since then. If I am not mistaken in 59 they hadn't gone to a telescopic steering shaft yet A harder impact might impale the driver. Also getting hit in the driver door in our old cars would be very bad. If you ever look inside the doors of new cars and trucks you will see steel tubing similiar to roll bars. I am in the new/used parts business. Picking up a 68 Nova door and a new malibu door are two totally different monsters. I would hate to think what would happen if a suburban ran a light and hit me in the driver door of my Nova.... It would probably stop somewhere in the middle of my bench seat...


Tommy https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif

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one reason the safety tests speak so much of the door lock holding is probably because of the roll bar material in the door. It is just one more thing to keep the car or truck intact. If the door of the malibu had opened, the front end may have been forced back further. They total alot more cars these days but they don't total as many of us these days...


Tommy https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif

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Its not staged. That is the reality of old versus new construction methods.

The 59 was built like a tank, and since it was built like a tank there were no predesigned crumple zones that would take the impact and redistribute it away from the passenger compartment. In essence, the only crumple zone is the driver's body. Once the car hits and reaches its structural limits, it folds up into a ball of metal with no regard for the integrity of the passenger compartment.

Remember, the 59 was a body-on-frame design. All it takes to defeat that design is a hard enough hit to shear those front body-to-frame mounting bolts and then the shell takes the rest of the impact while the frame underrides the impacting vehicle. That is exactly what you are observing in the video.

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I'm not buying any of it!! Looks like 100% staged to me. There is no way that a "Sherman Tank" like that 59 is going to crumble like that by being hit by that new Chevy.. I see lots of accidents in my job and this is just not going to happen!! Somebody "made up" this video....

Rich

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And by the way, the M4 Sherman tank wasn't such a great design for its day. It was known by those that crewed them, as "The Ronson" after the famous Ronson cigarette lighter who's advertising motto was "Lights the first time, every time." That was because the ammunition was stored in the hull section right up against the thin vertical slab-sided armor, right underneath the giant white star painted on the side of the hull, which made for a great aiming point. One hit and they blew up, killing the entire crew. Compare that to 50 years later, and the M1 Abrams which was designed for crew survivability with its extremely sloped active armor that deflects and destroys incoming rounds.

Fifty years of "crew survivability" design refinement makes a whole lot of difference in both tanks and cars.

-Cliff Calvin

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The 59 Impala was built with tank like materials, but not like a tank. Like I said before that front end is held on with maybe 10 bolts, thats the hood/core support/fenders. 10 bolts! Four for the bumper. You doubters think 14 bolts are going to stop that Malibu? That Malibu has welds for days on that front end, crumple zones, side impact bars in the doors, etc.

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This is gettin good... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smirk.gif

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How about the frame design on the 59??? "X" marks the spot.

ktownkid

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The 59 Impala was built with tank like materials, but not like a tank. Like I said before that front end is held on with maybe 10 bolts, thats the hood/core support/fenders. 10 bolts! Four for the bumper. You doubters think 14 bolts are going to stop that Malibu? That Malibu has welds for days on that front end, crumple zones, side impact bars in the doors, etc.

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Quite correct! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif

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Sometimes the facts don't get in the way of the naysayers.

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Right, you are Sir!

Next, they'll be saying there were preset explosives planted in the '59 Chevy by the leftover Roswell aliens that got freed by Bigfoots in late 1958, who knew, in advance, through the use of their Bermuda Triangle Magnetic Anomoly Generator that this particular '59 Chevy would one day be used in a crash test. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

...or michael moor-on will do another fake documentary and just blame George Bush. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif

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Right, you are Sir!

Next, they'll be saying there were preset explosives planted in the '59 Chevy by the leftover Roswell aliens that got freed by Bigfoots in late 1958, who knew, in advance, through the use of their Bermuda Triangle Magnetic Anomoly Generator that this particular '59 Chevy would one day be used in a crash test. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

...or michael moor-on will do another fake documentary and just blame George Bush. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif

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Please pass the fork, this one's done! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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Thanks for the history lesson on the Sherman Tanks.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif It was used as a figure of speech if you couldn't figure that one out.. Opinions are like you know whats.. Everyone has one and is entitled to it and thats fine.. You have not convinced me in the least bit that it's NOT staged... All steel 59 VS. plastic, fiberglass and foam in the front ends of new cars.... Irregardless of the "crumple zones" and other safety features, it's just not going to happen, Sorry!!!!!!

Here is the fork, I am done...... My .02 opinion!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smirk.gif

Rich

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The Sherman tank expose was done in jest. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif

And yes, everyone has an opinion but my "opinion" is based on experience with automotive product liability law and engineering facts. Believe it or not, this kind of stuff comes up a lot in the real world.

So how did they stage it? Acid dip the entire front end? Remove all the internal bracing and bolts? Computer generate the whole thing?


Oh, and those early design forks can be really dangerous. That's why they invented the Spork, so those unfortunate few that lost an eye in those early fork accidents could be protected. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

Stick a Spork in it. I'm out. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif

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Under the hood of a 59.

http://i.ebayimg.com/14/!B,-rCwwBGk~...ugJ7sg~~_3.JPG

Notice there nothing in the area behind the core support, where the impact in the test occurred. Having picked up a flimsy sheet metal fender I know how much strengh they have. So all that Impala has is a stamped core support and a pontoon fender to absorb an impact.

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The even sadder part of this is that GM built cars in the same fashion as the '59 all the way to 1988...

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The Sherman tank expose was done in jest. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif

And yes, everyone has an opinion but my "opinion" is based on experience with automotive product liability law and engineering facts. Believe it or not, this kind of stuff comes up a lot in the real world.

So how did they stage it? Acid dip the entire front end? Remove all the internal bracing and bolts? Computer generate the whole thing?


Oh, and those early design forks can be really dangerous. That's why they invented the Spork, so those unfortunate few that lost an eye in those early fork accidents could be protected. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

Stick a Spork in it. I'm out. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif

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WHATEVER https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/laugh.gif

Rich

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O.K. You just stated "flimsy sheet metal fender" Maybe you need to check the 09 vs the 59 fenders thickness. The 59 crumpled way too easy, in my opinon. There is more metal in the inter fender well of the 59 compared to both fenders in 09.

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I’m going to sit back and wait for a crash test between a 1909 and a 2009. I’m sure the thicker metal on the 1909 makes a safer car……

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I've watched the video several times and I am amazed that the Malibu was able to penetrate the cowl of the '59, pulling down the A pillar, ejecting the door and buckling up the floor as it did. I'm not saying the test was rigged, but that huge cloud of rust dust does tell me something. The structural integrity of the '59s frame, lower cowl, rockers and floor were compromised before the impact. The Biscayne also appears to be a 6cyl, in which case the impact would have missed the motor completely. I think the results would have been quite different if the '59 had been a V8 car with a solid body & frame.

Verne https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif

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Pic from back in the day, when these cars were NOT rusted. A 59 hitting another 59. So much for the compromised integrity argument.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3451/...984ecdc3f7.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2593/...b7babd98cb.jpg

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The speed limit was 70mph back then, I doubt if both cars were doing 40mph as in the test.JMO