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I am looking at a '07 Roush 427r and a '07 Shelby GT 500. Obviously, the 427r is a few thousand cheaper and its black where the Shelby is white. The salesman selling the Shelby told me that it would be a huge mistake to buy the Roush because they have no resale value. Are any of you guys aware of this? The Roush has 8000 miles and the Shelby has 2500. There is about 4000 difference in price between the 2, anyone have experience with either?

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The salesman is correct.

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I have to agree with the salesman.

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Those in " the know " in Mustang circles certainly know about the roush. I was just at large cruise and there was a 427R and several Shelby's. The Roush was getting quite a bit of attention since most people do not know about it. As far as resale I'm thinking the Shelby would get more coin

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The Shelby has a much better engine.. faster too. It will be worth more in the future too. The Roush will get more attention at shows and on the street tho. Its your call. I personally would get the GT500

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Really? I would have voted for the Roush.... shows what I know about 'stangs! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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I sell both and have taken them to Laguna Seca and I can tell you the Roush (especially the Trak Pak model) will run circles around any factory Shelby Mustang.

I would have to agree though that the Shelby,especially the GT-500 and GT-500KR have a much larger upside than the Roush cars,especially when Mr. Shelby takes his final rest...

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If you're going to get it to keep it and keep it as a collector car I'd go with the Shelby. If you're going to drive it, get the Roush for all of the reasons they listed above. They do get more attention. However being a Mustang guy I still get chills when I see a GT500 blasting down I-95 and wish I was in the driver seat.

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Thanks for the input guys. I wish the Shelby was black like the Roush. It would be an easier decision then.

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Black with Red LeMans stripes is very sharp in a GT 500. Look around you can find a Black one.

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Get the GT500! There is no replacement for displacement. You can improve the handling later, if your're into the corner thing. As for the color, black isn't a color it's a job!

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Amen to that! Here is my job.
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W https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/drool.gif W ... very nice Paintjob https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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I own a 2007 GT500 and it won't disappoint you if you want a fun and fast car that can easily be upgraded to 600 plus horsepower.
If you want a collectible car, the Roush will reach this milestone long before the GT500. Initially, only 8000 GT500's were to be built in 2007. In reality, they built almost 12,000 and have continued to build them every year since. The GT500 is built by Ford along side the regular Mustang in Flat Rock, Michigan, through an agreement with Carroll Shelby. The KR model also begins life in Flat Rock, but goes to Shelby in Las Vegas for final assembly. So, in the minds of the purists, the regular GT500 isn't a real Shelby.

Bob

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I am looking for an 05 - 07 Saleen Mustang convertible.

What do you all think about the collectability of those?

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IMO, if any of these cars become true collectibles it's so far down the road many of us won't be around to see it. At present, Roush and Saleen cars garner more attention than GT500's (except the KR), because they are fewer of them. The GT500's that probably will become the collectibles in the distant future are the KR and GT500's modified by Shelby into 600 and 700HP Super Snakes. Also, depends what you want the car for. If it's fast fun, get a GT500, but don't expect it to appreciate in value for years, if ever. IMO, the Roush,Saleen and Shelby built Mustangs have a better chance to hold their value and become collectibles in the years ahead.

Bob

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I agree!

Just seen it yesterday at a car meet...

I like it, but i don´t know if it´s a real Saleen or not...

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I think Saleen as a company is finished,but he's still building cars under a new name,SMS. Do a Ebay search and you will see a couple Challengers built by Steve M. S.

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B.T.W. the Saleen cars drop like a rock in value. Try and find a low mile Extreme 600-650 hp Saleen and you will have a better handling and a faster car than a gt500.

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One thing to keep in mind if you intend to modify is that the 5.4 4v has more ultimate potential that the 4.6 3v. Hellion Power Systems just released a twin turbo kit for the Shelby that takes them to 1,000 horsepower on the stock engine. And I believe Evolution performance has their Shelby in the 7's approaching 200 m.p.h. Obviously a ton of money there, but the point is there is also a ton of power hiding in those four valve heads.

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IMO, if any of these cars become true collectibles it's so far down the road many of us won't be around to see it. At present, Roush and Saleen cars garner more attention than GT500's (except the KR), because they are fewer of them. The GT500's that probably will become the collectibles in the distant future are the KR and GT500's modified by Shelby into 600 and 700HP Super Snakes. Also, depends what you want the car for. If it's fast fun, get a GT500, but don't expect it to appreciate in value for years, if ever. IMO, the Roush,Saleen and Shelby built Mustangs have a better chance to hold their value and become collectibles in the years ahead.

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The Fox cars will become collectible first. Starting with the dealer specials like the Dominators. Especially the early '83-'84 Dominators with the head work, solid cams, no smog equipment, cold air kits, special MSD ignition, non emissions Holley, etc. Then the race cars. Famous cars like Mike Murrillo's Star Car 1, Brian Wolfe's 86 GT, Stormin' Norman's red turbo 'Vert, etc. And then period modified cars. The Fox movement went through several distinct periods where certain mods were common, and the guys who grew up in those particular periods will be willing to pay good money for a solid, well built car done in the style they like. Notchbacks will lead the way in value in that category. My 2 cents.

EDIT: I should add that I include Saleen's, Steeda's, etc. in the dealer special category.

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LOL...I have never heard of any of them....

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The Dominators are interesting. Low 13's-high 12's at a time when most factory muscle couldn't catch a 14.90 if you shot it out of a cannon. They were built by Summit Ford in Lee's Summit, MO. Kind of like Motion, the deal got shut down when the Feds figured out they were ditching the smog equipment.

As for the racers on the list, they're very well known in Mustang circles. Well, late model Mustang circles, anyway. They were innovators in the late 80's-90's who did more with less displacement and less tire than anyone had thought possible before. They're kind of like our Grumpy Jenkins. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif

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I would consider myself a Mustang guy in the circle. Like Charlie said...most people have never heard of them thus no demand past, present or future. Now low mile Factory cars are collectible to a point. 80's square Mustangs do not move many.

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I agree. The fox's, tho very cool cars, just do not spark many people.. besides the racers.. The Newer S197's sold like mad and are quite popular and more people generally like this body style the best of Mustangs built in the past 20 years. I feel this will make them the most collectible. But ya have to wait a few years. Just enjoy em now. I am.. These cars are a blast to drive. The most fun car to drive since my old Z16:)

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Both good points. But keep in mind that if 30 years someone had said that HemiCuda convertibles would someday be worth 7 figures, we would have laughed ourselves into a stroke. The same could be said for most of the collectible 60's iron.

I have a friend who loves 98-02 Trans Ams. He owns 3, all low mile, garaged, extremely well maintained examples. His dad, who collects Mopars and has some amazing examples in his collection, wonders why he messes around with those "late models". But as he has pointed out, his grandfather, who was very involved in pre-war heavy classics when he was alive, wondered why his dad bothered with "those damned old Chryslers. Those aren't even real cars."

My point is that the Foxes will be, and in fact already are, collectible to the guys who grew up with them. The newer cars have the benefit of the largest aftermarket for a single model in history. But the Fox created that aftermarket. That, if nothing else, will gaurantee it's place in history. Just my opinion.

But, flyingn is right. Let's enjoy it now, while we have it, because who knows what the next twenty years is going to bring.

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My father says that all of the time. Boy if I would have known all of these cars would have been worth so much, I would have kept them. But then they were new and they were all over the place so everyone cut them up.

It is going to be wanting something you saw as a kid growing up or something your parents had or something you had when growing up that will drive the demand. I mean I get excited when I see a 1987 Nissan Sentra on the road. That was my first new car. Nothing special about it but it brings back a lot of fond memories.

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My brother inlaw bought '03/'04 Cobra that he paid pretty good money for and thinks it will become the next boss 429 in 20+ yrs. He took the car out and raced an '07 Saleen S281 Exteme and it wasn't even close. He had it by multiple car lengths.
Joe

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I would consider myself a Mustang guy in the circle. Like Charlie said...most people have never heard of them thus no demand past, present or future. Now low mile Factory cars are collectible to a point. 80's square Mustangs do not move many.

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I would like to add that just because they aren't widely known now, doesn't mean they never will be. It wasn't that long ago that most of the hobby was unaware of factory 427 Chevelles. The Dominators have been steadily gaining recognition over the past couple of years. At this years Midwest Ford Fest, there will be a Dominator reunion, alongside the 69 Boss 302/429 40th Anniversary display. There is a small but dedicated group of individuals who are determined to spread the word about these cars, and I think that will lead to them becoming more and more valuable as time goes on.

And I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss how many people are moved by these cars. They sold in huge numbers in their day, too. And now, almost 17 years after the last one rolled off the assembly line, the Fox specific aftermarket is bigger than ever, both on the performance and, increasingly, the restoration side of the hobby.

Sorry about the multiple posts on the topic, but what can I say? I'm passionate about the old Fox boxes. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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My brother inlaw bought '03/'04 Cobra that he paid pretty good money for and thinks it will become the next boss 429 in 20+ yrs. He took the car out and raced an '07 Saleen S281 Exteme and it wasn't even close. He had it by multiple car lengths.
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Yeah, maybe. I've been keeping a very unscientific list of totaled Terminators. No vin's, just keeping count of how many I read or hear about being destroyed, and I'm over 200, so far. I think a disproportionate number of them are going to end up in the scrap yard, just because of the power level, which could very well make the nice survivors worth a lot in the coming years.

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The Saleen extreme is 550 hp and will smoke a stock Term. 390 hp vs. 550.. Tho the Termonator is a wonderful car..


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My brother inlaw bought '03/'04 Cobra that he paid pretty good money for and thinks it will become the next boss 429 in 20+ yrs. He took the car out and raced an '07 Saleen S281 Exteme and it wasn't even close. He had it by multiple car lengths.
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I'll put in a plug for the Fox 5.0's. I don't see how you can dismiss a car that is rivaled only by 55-57 Chevs or 67-69 Camaros in terms of being a hotrodder's "everyman" car. I personally would pay more for a mint LX 5.0/5sp or '93 Cobra than ANY '94-'04 Mustang of any type, including a Terminator. Not because they're better cars, but because that's what I was into. Finding an unmolested 5.0/5sp Fox is like trying to find a Roadrunner that hasn't had a 440 swapped into it, or a '69 Camaro that hasn't had Z/28 stripes put on it. Just like all of the iconic musclecars, most Fox 5.0's were modified, run hard, and used up. The fact that they were still decent daily drivers only made it worse, because the eastern cars got driven every winter in the salt and those 302's wouldn't blow up, so you always see cars with 100-200K miles on them. Someday I'll find the right LX 5.0 and I expect to pay more than I did for my first '69 Z28 in the mid 90's.

I remember the Dominator cars, but I think the '87-93 era will be the most sought after. As for dealer name cars that most folks never heard of, I could have made that argument 15 or 20 years ago with Dana/Nickey/and yes, YENKO. Not the guys on this board certainly, but most of the general gearhead public? Yeah.

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I'll put in a plug for the Fox 5.0's. I don't see how you can dismiss a car that is rivaled only by 55-57 Chevs or 67-69 Camaros in terms of being a hotrodder's "everyman" car. I personally would pay more for a mint LX 5.0/5sp or '93 Cobra than ANY '94-'04 Mustang of any type, including a Terminator. Not because they're better cars, but because that's what I was into. Finding an unmolested 5.0/5sp Fox is like trying to find a Roadrunner that hasn't had a 440 swapped into it, or a '69 Camaro that hasn't had Z/28 stripes put on it. Just like all of the iconic musclecars, most Fox 5.0's were modified, run hard, and used up. The fact that they were still decent daily drivers only made it worse, because the eastern cars got driven every winter in the salt and those 302's wouldn't blow up, so you always see cars with 100-200K miles on them. Someday I'll find the right LX 5.0 and I expect to pay more than I did for my first '69 Z28 in the mid 90's.

I remember the Dominator cars, but I think the '87-93 era will be the most sought after. As for dealer name cars that most folks never heard of, I could have made that argument 15 or 20 years ago with Dana/Nickey/and yes, YENKO. Not the guys on this board certainly, but most of the general gearhead public? Yeah.

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Truth. When I finally decided to get serious and build the notch I'd had in my mind for years, I finally ended paying way too much for an average 4-cylinder car. Not a big deal since everything is being replaced (Full suspension, a 427W, and a TKO 600 ought to get it down the street okay), but these things are getting impossible to find in decent condition.

Side note, while looking for a suitable notch, I was lucky enough to check out a factory black over red 5.0 5-speed 88 notch with ZERO options. It was even a radio delete car. 8,000 original miles and all paper back to the selling dealer. It wasn't what I was looking for, since I intended to modify, but I had to ask the owner what it would take to own it. He smiled and said "More than you have."

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I'll put in a plug for the Fox 5.0's. I don't see how you can dismiss a car that is rivaled only by 55-57 Chevs or 67-69 Camaros in terms of being a hotrodder's "everyman" car. I personally would pay more for a mint LX 5.0/5sp or '93 Cobra than ANY '94-'04 Mustang of any type, including a Terminator. Not because they're better cars, but because that's what I was into. Finding an unmolested 5.0/5sp Fox is like trying to find a Roadrunner that hasn't had a 440 swapped into it, or a '69 Camaro that hasn't had Z/28 stripes put on it. Just like all of the iconic musclecars, most Fox 5.0's were modified, run hard, and used up. The fact that they were still decent daily drivers only made it worse, because the eastern cars got driven every winter in the salt and those 302's wouldn't blow up, so you always see cars with 100-200K miles on them. Someday I'll find the right LX 5.0 and I expect to pay more than I did for my first '69 Z28 in the mid 90's.

I remember the Dominator cars, but I think the '87-93 era will be the most sought after. As for dealer name cars that most folks never heard of, I could have made that argument 15 or 20 years ago with Dana/Nickey/and yes, YENKO. Not the guys on this board certainly, but most of the general gearhead public? Yeah.

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Around Halloween 1983 I took delivery of a Charcoal Grey/Grey interior 5.0 5 speed. I was looking for a grey car but wanted a stripper. I had seen the 4 speed cars ( really 3 speed with overdrive ) but wanted a 5 speed. A sales guy from Mahwah Ford in NJ called me and said that coming off the train as we speak is a grey 5.0, but not a stripper. . I said I'd be there tomorrow. Went the next day and they had not even dealer prepped the car. They took it from the rear lot hit it with a hoes and gave me the keys. Drove it around the block came back and made the deal. The thought of a 4bbl Holley equiped car in those years was unheard of. Like going back in time. In the next few years I did Day 2 stuff on her. Original block and heads, just bolt on stuff really. I've always kept the original parts. Living in NY I knew this could not survive winters so I garaged it all the time in winter. Always had NY beaters to drive in the snowy months. Well life moved on and the Mustang kept getting pushed further back and Mini vans and small cars took over. Kids, school you guys know the drill. Every so often I would start her up or take her out but not much. In the last 6-7 years I bet I put 400 miles on her, maybe. I recently unburied her again. Changed the oil etc and took her out. What a blast. World class 5 speed with 373 gears and you are off to the races. Unfortunetly around mid way 3rd gear power levels off. Afterall this is a stock 175 hp car, currently maybe 230. Runs 13.70 1/4 around 100. It has 30,000 original miled. Looks good ( NO rust etc )but could use some new paint. The car covers over the years seem to have done more harm then good. Also it has T roofs and the weather stripping should be replaced. Health issues in the 90's almost had me sell her but my wife would not have it. Thanks B https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gifeth !! I'm not saying this will be of any great value but an original 4 eye GT might be worth it in a few years since you see less and less. Sorry for the long post but this thread just got me thinking of the old girl again. Once I retire in 3-4 yeras I will do her justice....Geoff

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I had a black-black 1990 5.0 5 speed LX hatch that I drove for about 5 years daily. When I got done with it, it was really beat. 300,000 miles, plently of door dings, etc, driver's seat was shot. However, it would still run 14.0's @ 98 all day on street tires with a few bolt ons. I miss that car. I would take a 1990 black-black 5.0 5 speed stripper notch any day.

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Around Halloween 1983 I took delivery of a Charcoal Grey/Grey interior 5.0 5 speed. I was looking for a grey car but wanted a stripper. I had seen the 4 speed cars ( really 3 speed with overdrive ) but wanted a 5 speed. A sales guy from Mahwah Ford in NJ called me and said that coming off the train as we speak is a grey 5.0, but not a stripper. . I said I'd be there tomorrow. Went the next day and they had not even dealer prepped the car. They took it from the rear lot hit it with a hoes and gave me the keys. Drove it around the block came back and made the deal. The thought of a 4bbl Holley equiped car in those years was unheard of. Like going back in time. In the next few years I did Day 2 stuff on her. Original block and heads, just bolt on stuff really. I've always kept the original parts. Living in NY I knew this could not survive winters so I garaged it all the time in winter. Always had NY beaters to drive in the snowy months. Well life moved on and the Mustang kept getting pushed further back and Mini vans and small cars took over. Kids, school you guys know the drill. Every so often I would start her up or take her out but not much. In the last 6-7 years I bet I put 400 miles on her, maybe. I recently unburied her again. Changed the oil etc and took her out. What a blast. World class 5 speed with 373 gears and you are off to the races. Unfortunetly around mid way 3rd gear power levels off. Afterall this is a stock 175 hp car, currently maybe 230. Runs 13.70 1/4 around 100. It has 30,000 original miled. Looks good ( NO rust etc )but could use some new paint. The car covers over the years seem to have done more harm then good. Also it has T roofs and the weather stripping should be replaced. Health issues in the 90's almost had me sell her but my wife would not have it. Thanks B https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gifeth !! I'm not saying this will be of any great value but an original 4 eye GT might be worth it in a few years since you see less and less. Sorry for the long post but this thread just got me thinking of the old girl again. Once I retire in 3-4 yeras I will do her justice....Geoff

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I think a factory t-top car is good property. They're neat cars, and it's really cool to hear of one still in the hands of the original owner. Thanks for sharing the story. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I graduated high school in '91. Back then the 5.0's and Buick turbos were the cars that every kid in school wanted. The Mustangs were used and abused hard. You don't see many good examples left like you used to. The Buicks were always collectibles so there are plenty of low mileage examples out there. Plus they are all the same color aside from the T-types.

Nice 5.0's will be bringing decent money soon. If not already. Who ever thought that late 70's Trans Am cars would bring decent money?

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great fox stories! I lived thru the fox vs. Turbo Buick wars in th e80's too. It was a fun time. I would love to find a notch 5 speed fox in the aqua color. wow

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I'd bet every registered person on the site lived through the late 80's early 90's. I am nostalgic for it but it wasn't that long ago.

In 1991 I was a junior in high school. There were several guys with 5.0s and two GNs. Best part is most were mom/dad's car. I was building my 65 L79 Malibu SS with my dad, and I was looking for reassurance it was going to be fast. My dad said this "Ain't no car from the 60's gonna loose to somthing from the 80's". It made me feel great. I was very happy to have the car ready for my Jr Prom and to be able to back that statement up!

Ah, the older I get...

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Like this one? http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/e...urbo306/05.jpg



I remember the old 5.0 vs. GN shootouts. Good times. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif