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did 69 z28 lift hooks have 1 hole in them or one had two and the other had one.what was stamp on them

john

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Here is a pic of the correct 69 small block brackets. I think they were stamped with a letter K or a circle with a letter inside, I cant remember.
https://www.yenko.net/attachments/383...smallblock.jpg

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One hole. John, I suggest buying Jerry's book "The Definitive 1969 Camaro Fact Book". Very informative especially if you are not familiar with some parts, colors, options etc. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif Sam

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That's them and they are painted orange on a Z28 engine too.

Jerry

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The original lift hooks on my '69Z are natural, they were not painted orange.

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Well they must have been changed..... Jerry wrote the book !!!!

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Kenny P's Survivor...

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"Always" and "Never"


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I didn't have any paint on mine.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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I beleive the SB's and the BB's would be the same on the aluminum intake motors? Natural https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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I didn't have any paint on mine.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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[/ QUOTE ]Yea but you got headers Bart! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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O.K. guys, get out the orange paint..... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif

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I would say that aluminum intake big and small blocks had the natural lift brackets and the cast iron ones were painted when the entire engine was painted.I have seen a few survivor cars that had the natural brackets.Some people that i talked to in the past had there cars judged at big shows said the same thing,natural for the aluminum intakes.

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True on big block cars but my research has shown that all of the untouched survivors such as Z28s have had painted engine lift hooks.

I will post photos of survivors from my data base when I get back from Iowa.

Jerry

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See, I told you guys, Get out the orange paint !!!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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#EN48,

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ZL-1's had them painted black. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif

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I found 3 different kinds of lift hooks on ebay and they all say they are for a 69 Z. One set is says VR, one set is a horseshoe and the last has an M. Are any of these correct?

Thanks,
John

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Let's see, GM was mass producing these engines, but they had, maybe a new guy that couldn't do anything else, take all of the engine lift brackets, hang them up, and paint them, so they could put them on the aluminum intake cars ???? Or maybe just the Z/28's, because they were special. Makes perfectly good sense to me..... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif There were also no runs in any of the paint on the firewalls, nor overspray on the big block manifolds. Also ALL of the spotwelds were absolutely perfect, like the marks that a #2 pencel eraser makes. You know, they took the time to dress the welder tips after every weld. Is the sky blue in your world ????

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Here is a pic of the correct 69 small block brackets. I think they were stamped with a letter K or a circle with a letter inside, I cant remember.
https://www.yenko.net/attachments/383...smallblock.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]John, You can't go wrong with these. All the survivor Z's I saw were this style. I personally have not seen any in an orange tone of color either. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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I would say that aluminum intake big and small blocks had the natural lift brackets and the cast iron ones were painted when the entire engine was painted.I have seen a few survivor cars that had the natural brackets.Some people that i talked to in the past had there cars judged at big shows said the same thing,natural for the aluminum intakes.

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Not always.

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Well do we have any progress on these famous painted lift hooks yet, Jerry?
The"MOF"

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Brian,

I am back from Clear Lake and trying to catch up after being gone for court and the Buddy Holly Event. I had a chance to go through some of my data base photo files. I have over 1200 so it takes time to find and pull survivor car photos of engine bays in between everything else that I have to catch up on. I have found four to post here, all are low mileage cars, and I will post more as time permits.

I should also note that when I was writing my first Camaro book back in 1988, I interviewed several Norwood employees who were transferred to Baltimore due to the plant closing. I asked many questions about engine fasteners and was told that small block Chevy engine pieces like engine lift hooks and wire loom holders were painted or dipped Chevrolet orange before they were installed on the engines. Cars I have inspected over the years have also reflected what I was told by these plant workers. Were some of them not painted? Probably so but this has not been the trend that I've documented over the years.

Jerry

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My 1968 Z28 survivor with 22,000 miles that I've owned since 1990. Bought from the original owner. Full docs.

Jerry

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#3, 26,000 mile Z28,

Jerry

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This car has headers but was very much untouched other than headers. Still had original motor mounts.

Jerry

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Could these front brackets have been painted silver from day one? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif
Grady

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Not according to what the Norwood workers told me. Also remember that when I interviewed them, it was only 20 years that had past since the cars were built, and all of these guys were consistant with what I was told. This is where I learned about the PTB stamps designating paint, body and trim inspections.

Jerry

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I realize this is a small block post. I have two day one COPO Chevelle engine pictures and the lift hooks are silver on both. Doesn't prove or disprove anything. Just a little added info. I don't recall the Oshawa workers installing the lift hooks. From what I remember, they were on the engines when they came from the engine plants. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif

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Keith,

I bought a B/B Chevelle new. Front engine lift hook was stamped steel, no plating, natural, rear hook was painted orange. This has been pretty consistant from what I've seen over the years.

Jerry

Jerry

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Take a look at Charley's 1100 mile car. On page 17 of the thread he posted pics and the hooks are unpainted. That is also consistent and a example of what I have seen on unrestored cars we have certified. Here is a link to two pics: https://www.yenko.net/attachments/385223-tn_012.JPG

https://www.yenko.net/attachments/385222-tn_019.JPG

Remember these are production cars and variations occurred based on build date, shifts and plants. Lets keep this thread civil and respect our fellow members. Personal attacks serve no purpose.

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KP's survivor car looks more authentic to me.... His engine compartment has not been "fluffed up" as the ones in Jerry's pics... I'll stick with NOT PAINTED.... Just my two cents, but what do I know...I didn't write any books... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Frank,

Write a book and call it Fluffy, that's a good title. Also heard through the Camaro grapevine that Kenny P. had to buy some parts for that "survivor" car including a smog system from B. Hodel? Is that true?

Pixs that I posted were not fluffed, but you're the new expert, so what you say goes. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Jerry

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Latest release...

<font color="red"> "The Fluffy Definitive 1969 Camaro Z/28-SS396 Fact Book" </font>

Soon to be at your local retail bookstore.

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I will post pics of a survivor 69 Z/28 that is with the second owner who has had it since the very early '70's. His next door neighbor purchased it new, and the intake has NEVER been off of it. Guess what, the brackets are natural. Imagine that !!!! Do you really want me to go into all of the instances where you have been proven wrong ??? You really don't know everything that you want people to believe that you do. In your mind, there's only one way, and it's yours !!!!! If the pages were softer your book might be good toilet paper !!!!! Also, KP's car had an original smog system installed. So what, The last time that I checked, the lift hooks didn't have to be removed to install the system.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

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I am finding this very interesting.It seems that some came with them painted and some didn't.Were the lift brackets installed at the Flint plant or at the assy.plant??

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It's all fun and games until someone puts an eye out https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif

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I am pretty sure that the low mile BB Z that Chad just picked up has natural hooks as well..

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I have a dumb question (from someone who doesn't know anything about Camaros). Were all the Z-28 engines built at Flint, or were some built at Tonawanda? The two plants had different assembly/paint procedures.

Verne https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif

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SB--Flint
BB--Tonowanda