Chevrolet pulls the wraps off of the new Camaro
 

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MUSCLE CARS
Chevrolet pulls the wraps off the Camaro

The 2010 Camaro will be available in coupe form in 2009 and as a convertible in 2010.
photo courtesy General MotorsGeneral Motors has finally released a full slate of details about the 2010 Camaro, which will be available in coupe form in early 2009 and as a convertible in 2010.
It’s an aggressive-looking package that shouldn’t disappoint fans of the formerly forsaken pony car, unless they had their hearts set on a Z28 being part of the original lineup. The top-dog Camaro will be labeled SS, keeping it in line with the bowtie brand’s other SS offerings and will get a 422hp, 6.2-liter V-8. Next down the performance ladder will be a 400hp, 6.2-liter with a six-speed automatic and active fuel management. LS and LT models will get a 3.6-liter direct-injection V-6 rated at 300hp, presumably the same engine used in the Cadillac CTS and STS.
There will also be an RS appearance package offered on SS and LT Camaros that will include HID headlamps with integrated halo rings, RS specific taillamps, a spoiler and 20-inch wheels. Be sure to check out the Camaro microsite (link above) for complete details.
- By Mike McNessor


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Not a fan--Dodge did a way better job just my .02

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they really blew it.
they draged it on too long.
the new camaro should have been out a year or two ago...not 2010!

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DITTO! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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2010 works for me!, Red droptop SS w/422hp and a 6speed transmission, Can't wait to see it sitting in my shop next to the 69. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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A whopping 422 HP and about 4000 pounds wow what will I do with all the performance? Oh yeah I know, keep driving my 08 Shelby Supersnake with 725 HP. What is Chevy thinking to spend three years leaking pictures and information about this car and then bring it out through 2010 with 422 HP???

The Ford GT 500 Mustang is delivered stock with 500 HP and having a supercharger can easily and cheaply be modified and weighs about the same as the Camaro. Or you can buy the Mustang and have the Shelby factory convert it to 605 HP in the vert or a 725 HP coupe.

What happened to the 550 HP Camaro Bob Lutz promised? Cut due to budget or gas prices? Dodge did the same thing with the Challenger at 425 HP. So both Dodge and Chevy have already conceded this era's muscle car wars to Ford?

Dammit I want a 550 HP Camaro Lutz promised to park next to my Yenko Camaro.

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So the cadillac cts-v has 556 and the camaro 422????

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Is it just me? Am I the only one who thinks if Chevy put that 550 HP motor in the Camaro for 2009 or 2010 they would sell many more Camaro's than Caddy's? 422 HP in a 4000 pound car ???????????

Memo to Lutz: put a 550 HP motor in the Camaro offer a 3.73 or higher rear diff and call it a drag pack option and watch the line form at the dealers and while people are waiting in line, gasp they might actually notice other Chevy's on the lot? Or put the 638 HP Vette motor in a Camaro call it a COPO or ZL-1 and watch the car be on the cover of every magazine in the world. Or put the 422 HP motor in it watch it sell briskly for one model year than watch it die and just decide their is no market for muscle cars with high gas prices.

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And people wonder about how GM got in so much trouble ????

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422HP with a few mods to around 500hp is fine by me for my streetcar as im done with the street racing thing long ago and don't need 800hp on the street, Even if it did have 800hp its not going to touch my nasty nascar SB-2 headed smallblock camaro dragcar which does make over 800hp and runs in the low 9 second range. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif Bring that 725hp supersnake on id like to give it a good spankin. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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If you compare a GT 500 at 500hp (45k plus markup) to a regular Camaro 422hp (35k),the price difference should be about 10k. I think for a lot less than 10k I could get another 78 more horsepower over the Shelby. IMO

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HP means crap. its how you get the HP to the pavement and if this car cant get it down as good as a Roush or Saleen with 100hp less who cares.

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Markups are long gone on GT 500s, well below sticker is the norm. A fully loaded Camaro should come in at around 40K. For a few thousand more the GT 500 is the better bang for the buck right now right now. If you start adding mods to the Camaro to compare it to the Ford you also have to spend the same amount on the Mustang which makes a lot more HP for a lot less money due to being supercharged. All of which is a shame since the Camaro is a stunning car with far superior handling with the independent rear suspension. Makes me want to cry that the Camaro is coming in under 500 HP from the factory for at least the first two model years?

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Chevrolet is trying to keep the price of the car down so that it will survive in today's market place. Most people are going to opt for the lower cost, fuel efficient V6. A 500 HP Camaro from the factory would be awesome, but I do not think it is ever going to happen. They have the Corvette for that reason. The LS9 in the new ZR1 corvettes is the same 6.2 L displacement as the LS3 in the 2010 camaro. I'm sure if you wanted to go forced induction, you could get all of the parts over the counter from GM. All you would really have to do to the LS3 would be a set of good set heads, cam, and full exhaust and you would be over 500 rear wheel hp. That is more than enough hp for the street.

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I guess I'm in the minority here but i like it. The more I see of it the more it grows on me. I've seen the Challenger and to me it looks like a bloated version of the 70 model. It's a bigger car than I thought it would be. 422 Hp isn't anything to sneaze at, especially for a street car. To each his own, I guess.

Mike

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I just don't "like" the new Camaro I love it. I saw both the coupe and vert at SEMA last year and pictures don't do the car justice it is one of the best looking cars ever to come out of Detroit or where ever it is going to be built? The vert is incredible in person the rear quarters bulge out like a 911 it is bad to the bone. I had read a while back that Lutz said a 550 HP version would be available and then Carroll Shelby confirmed recently in an interview that he was told Chevy was bringing out a 550 HP Camaro so I am surprised it won't be out for a couple years if ever? Its still a 4000 pound car and it doesn't have 8 inch wide polyglass tires on the rear wheels so I don't know how exciting 422 HP is going to be? I can tell you the 500 HP on my GT 500 was pretty tame in stock configuration before Shelby converted it into a Supersnake.

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Why is it all the new muscle cars have that over-sized side appearance. I think it is cool that all the old cars are reappearing just don't care for the tall sides.

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Side stripes will do wonders for the "big-sided" look. Not sure why the Challenger has not offered the classic "R/T" side stripes yet. They are killer and retro at the same time!!!!!

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I think I like it. However, the color renderings they have on the web site are not even close to what I’ve seen in person. They need to show actual cars painted in actual paint instead on computer generated cars. I didn’t see the “Hugger Orange Pearl” tri-coat listed as an available color. That’s the coolest color of all.

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Second best for the legendary Camaro is sad no matter how good it looks
PJ

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They do look oversized to me also? My theory is that they are trying to capture the 60s exterior style while still providing enough interior space and at the same time integrating todays safety features? Just a thought? And why they are all coming in at around 4000 pounds is another big question for me?

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Is this a fraternity prank?

http://cache.jalopnik.com/cars/asset...aroConcept.jpg

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It's a sled..!! Too little...too late is my take.

wilma https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif

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I haven't seen the new Camaro in person yet, but my Son and I stopped to look at one of the limited production SRT Challengers yesterday and we loved it! I've never owned a Mopar, but I would consider that car for an everyday driver in a heartbeat https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I'm all for one in <font color="green"> Rally Green </font> .....wonder what the min quantity would be for a "fleet order" in <font color="green"> RG </font> .
just think...2010 RS/SS <font color="green"> RG </font> COPO https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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I'd like a 2012 Inferno Orange Metallic or Red Jewel Tint Clearcoat convertible.

I'd also like a 2012 Hemi Orange Challenger.

Gonna have to make a tough decision in 2012. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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I'm really not sure why, but it appears that all these new musclecars are weighing 4000 LBS. Shelby GT500's, the new Challenger and now the new Camaro. Heck, can you imagine what a stone they'ed all be if they were built with only 350-375 HP? They need 450-500 to put up respectable times. My Z06 'Vette with only 405 HP has walked all over Shelby GT500's just because it weighs about 900 lbs less!

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Mark you are right my 4000 pound GT 500 was a slug in stock configuration really a turd. If Shelby wouldn't have converted it into a Supersnake I would have sold it. 500 HP just wasn't getting it done with all that weight. It really wasn't much faster if at all than my 03 SVT Cobra with 400 HP and 3500 pounds? If we the dumb consumers realize weight is everything where performance is concerned why don't the factories???? Even Carroll Shelby said recently is tired of these overweight retro cars and is working with Ford on hopping up there 4 cylinder rice type cars.

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It's just sad all over again - in the '60's, GM slept while Ford created the Ponycar market, while they deluded themselves into thinking the Corvair was "enough". Why in the heck that the Camaro took so long to develop is beyond me....it's sad that this once-proud car company would leave us with Cobalt SS's to hold down the fort while they got their act together with the Camaro.....too little too late...they would have had some good run rate before gas hit $4 if they could have released that Camaro earlier....

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It's just sad all over again - in the '60's, GM slept while Ford created the Ponycar market, while they deluded themselves into thinking the Corvair was "enough". Why in the heck that the Camaro took so long to develop is beyond me....it's sad that this once-proud car company would leave us with Cobalt SS's to hold down the fort while they got their act together with the Camaro.....too little too late...they would have had some good run rate before gas hit $4 if they could have released that Camaro earlier....

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Can't argue with any of that,but the fact it has been in the mix for so long saved it from being x'ed with all the other rear drive platforms in the pipe. Hey it's been seven years bring it on one last time I say. It's got nothing for the Z06 anyway who cares if it's a little heavy and looks like a crossfire on roids,it's another Camaro!

I shudder to think what's coming in the next decade design wise, the horsepower wars are over,the ZR1 is the undisputed heavyweight champ, and in ten years people might be scratching around for a clean one of these in a sea of used smart cars. It's 1970 all over again,we have been living some great times the last few years with car performance but with the CAFE standards coming in enjoy it while you are able-we will transition into a euro size car nation within five years IMO

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Well, I guess you don't ever know what will happen.

Maybe there will be another revolution in energy and we'll all have an opportunity to wrench on a whole other type of engine / vehicle.

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Well, I thought the Challenger had it all over the Camaro, but the Camaro has really grown on me and I think it is sharp. It won't be the hottest car on the street, but that doesn't matter to me.
The Challenger lost me when I saw one in person. WAAAY to slab sided - the photos flattered - it is just not right in person.

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LatebreakU2,

The ZR-1 isn't even todays HP champ my Supersnake is at 725 HP and runs the quarter at 11.30 at 131 MPH same as the Vette. Of course the Vette is vastly superior on a road course but also can't fit all my kids for an ice cream run either? Shelby has stated he will win this era's HP wars and has a 1000 HP engine on the dyno getting ready for cerification right now if GM or the euro builders make it necessary. The new ZR-1 appears to be perhaps the worlds best supercar but as it stands now Ford looks like it will win this era's MUSCLECAR HP war? Muscle car in that it fits a family all week and can be used at the strip on weekends.

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Big difference between Shelby tweeking a Ford product and Chevrolet building one from the factory. I'm sure Callaway or Lingenfelter could also tweek up a ZR1 if they wanted to.

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The ZR-1 isn't even todays HP champ my Supersnake is at 725 HP and runs the quarter at 11.30 at 131 MPH same as the Vette.

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Who's friggin' numbers are those? The later Z06 'Vettes go deeeeep 11s in factory street trim (I've been in the other lane too many times!), and there's even a guy over at the Corvette Forum who whittled his ets down to 10s on the stock 'Vette tires...the proposed ZR1 would WALK your beloved Supersnake in every category except for the ever important "luggace capacity" column...the Snake may have a bigger decal, but the new ZR-1 will be holding the white et slip (read: winner) at the end of the day! As the racers say, "you ain't gotta tune weight"!!

BTW: you could simply throw a pulley on the ZR-1 and probably eclipse the 750hp mark...

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I was hoping Chevy would be smart enough to release it for the camaro's 40th anniversary. The final model doesn't look as attractive as the concept. The rims look aweful, there is too much wheel well space. Shoot they were better off taking a 69 shell and adding modern day gadgets. But then again I could do the same thing with my '69 camaro https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Charley,
You are absolutely correct anyone can take anything and tweak it in the aftermarket world. But what Shelby offers besides a 40 year history of having Ford deliver Mustangs to his shop for conversions is the option of being able to walk into any Ford dealership and buy a Shelby Mustang off the showroom floor with a warranty in the case of the 600 HP Supersnake package and drive it home. This option and the Shelby mystique offer a lot of residual value that Lingenfelter and Callaway don't IMHO. To me if I can buy it off the showroom floor with a warranty at 600 HP backed by Ford that is close to the factory for me? In fact your Supersnake was a Mustang delivered to CA and converted into a Supersnake and then warrantied by Ford?

By the way Charly speaking of Supersnakes I have heard through my Ford guy insider club a flurry of rumors of a possible secret Supersnake sale/trade? Care to shed some light? Confirm or deny the Ford guy insider rumors? is the Ford guy insider club whirling away with baseless rumors or is there some fire where there is smoke? Enquiring minds want to know

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You keep touting a 600 HP SuperSnake with a Warranty. My understanding is the ZR1 will be 638 hp with a warranty. Your orig claim was in regards to the 725 hp SuperSnake option that Shelby will do but there is no warranty.
Yes I believe my SuperSnake is going to a new home. I was going to do a deal with you but you got rid of my wagon.

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Notice that there is no mention of the Z28 yet. Last I heard there were going to be 3 engines available which would be the v6, SS base v8 and Z28 option v8. I'm guessing, but I bet they wait and release the Z28 later on with 500-550 hp. They want to get some of the lower performance versions on the road first. That's my guess.

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Its official the legendary Supersnake has a new home!!!!!! I wish I had the dough to buy it. Wagon went back to Jim Cunningham who maintained it all those years for the second owner it went to a great home Jim will take very good care of it.

ZR-1 will be the worlds best supercar for any price IMHO. But I can't stick my kids in the Vette to take them and their friends out for ice cream or a ride. I think your talking about apples and oranges comparing the Mustang to the Vette. One is a muscle car the other a world class sports car I think? All I said was that Ford is winning this era's Muscle car wars. I fully agree Chevy's ZR-1 will be the the Sports car HP champ unless Dodge bumps up the HP on the Viper?

Why don't you explain why Chevy put a 422 HP motor in what may be the best looking car ever to come out of Detroit? You have all the Chevy factory insider information what the heck happened to Lutz he lose his nutz?