Restamping blocks??????????????
 

So what are peoples take on this? IF an original body IS located, yet motor and trans long gone, is it ok to restamp the block/cases and pass it off as numbers matching???? Is it legal to knowingly restamp a block and say it's the original? Like swapping tags???

Reason is for this:

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbt...lle#Post611156

As I said in this thread, "In a case where a high value car (such as this Chevelle) the re-stamp or "matching numbers" only leads to one thing, HIGHER SALE PRICE. I personally look at cars that are "NUMBERS MATCHING" as born with parts and therefore more original and subsequently worth or valued higher. "

Seem quite obvious that the block has been restamped since they went there separate ways years ago. BUT yet advertised as "numbers matching" now

https://www.mecum.com/lot-detail/SC0...COPO-Chevelle/

BUYER BEWARE I guess!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Restamping blocks??????????????
 

Numbers Matching and Original Engine/drivetrain do not necessarily have the same meaning.

Re: Restamping blocks??????????????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Numbers Matching and Original Engine/drivetrain do not necessarily have the same meaning. </div></div>

They had better have the same meaning!!! #'s matching only happens with the original born with engine/trans etc...
Anyone that thinks restamping is OK is a Crook period. The only reason a block or trans would be restamped is for profit.
This topic seems to carry different weight in the different camps but it shouldn't.
Ron

Re: Restamping blocks??????????????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RJS</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Numbers Matching and Original Engine/drivetrain do not necessarily have the same meaning. </div></div>

They had better have the same meaning!!! #'s matching only happens with the original born with engine/trans etc...
Anyone that thinks restamping is OK is a Crook period. The only reason a block or trans would be restamped is for profit.
This topic seems to carry different weight in the different camps but it shouldn't.
Ron</div></div>

Unfortunately #'s matching has many meanings and in fact is a code for restamped for many. Born with original drivetrain is a more definitive term.

Re: Restamping blocks??????????????
 

Safe to say RJS isn't an NCRS judge.

Re: Restamping blocks??????????????
 

'Numbers matching' 'Classic' 'Original' 'Rare' and my favorite, 'Survivor' Have different meanings to different people...

'Born with' is certainly a more definitive description.

Re: Restamping blocks??????????????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paceme</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Unfortunately #'s matching has many meanings and in fact is a code for restamped for many. Born with original drivetrain is a more definitive term. </div></div>

I could not agree more and any time I read an ad today that states &quot;numbers matching&quot; I automatically think they are likely restamped. I look for &quot;born with&quot; as well. If you restamp an engine or a transmission or any component parts for that matter, you are a crook and fraud, plain and simple.

Re: Restamping blocks??????????????
 

I thought the term &quot;restoration block&quot; was fashionable in some circles as well.

Re: Restamping blocks??????????????
 

20 years ago, &quot;numbers matching&quot; meant that, at a minimum, the major hard parts such as the block, trans case, etc. were original to the car. At least that was how I and most of the people I knew in the hobby took it. The language has been twisted. Now &quot;numbers matching&quot; must be taken at its most literal interpretation, guaranteeing nothing.

Re: Restamping blocks??????????????
 

Awhile back, on one of those Discovery TV shows, they actually showed someone holding the car's title up to next to the dashboard VIN # and saying &quot;Yep, she's number matching&quot;!