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Re: E-Bay '69 Yenko Disguised As a Z-28 Clone!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fast67VelleN2O</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black69</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The one example they told me they just got finished picking up was a restored 62 vette in Chicago where the title did not match the frame numbers. Car was a big dollar ride, new owner lost his new purchase. </div></div>
That makes no sense. The frame on a lot of early corvettes rotted out and has to be replaced during a restoration. </div></div> But this quote from you(Fast67VelleN2O)makes sense: "I am of the personal belief that the numbers are what make a car... not the body. To each his own opinion." |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paceme</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
But this quote from you(Fast67VelleN2O)makes sense: "I am of the personal belief that the numbers are what make a car... not the body. To each his own opinion." </div></div> Yes that is what I believe. The frame, as well as the body, in my opinion, is a replacable piece. The serial and cowl plate numbers, in my opinion, are what count. Every car received the same frame and body.... not every car received the same numbers. |
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so once a car body or frame rots past usefulness then that car should be scrapped, crushed or otherwise made impossible to resurrect?
That leaves a "matching numbers" drivetrain for future use ... |
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I feel a re-body debate of epic proportions coming on....(sigh)...the fight nobody ever wins.
Perhaps Bergy could short-circuit it with some pictures, huh Bergy, huh? |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I feel a re-body debate of epic proportions coming on....(sigh)...the fight nobody ever wins. </div></div>
I see the image of Schoneye & Pam in the near future! |
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There is only one correct guide line to go by. It is either numbers original or it isn't. This is what makes the real cars worth what they are worth. No re-stamps,re-bodies or panel replacments. Soft parts OK. Anything less is just that,Less.
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I wonder now with the availability of full repo firewalls how many people are scrapping their confidential vins and not even realizing their significance?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fast67VelleN2O</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Yes that is what I believe. The frame, as well as the body, in my opinion, is a replacable piece. The serial and cowl plate numbers, in my opinion, are what count. Every car received the same frame and body.... not every car received the same numbers. </div></div> Crazy analogy #1 Think of a car as a human body. The body is the skin, frame is the skeleton, heart is the powerplant and the tags are your DNA. You can have a heart transplant, your skin grafted and your DNA altered. Can you live without a skeleton? |
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Yes, that is a crazy analogy alright.
Jason |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: snydes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wonder now with the availability of full repo firewalls how many people are scrapping their confidential vins and not even realizing their significance?</div></div>
Exactly what I was thinking. This is a debate that will go on forever. Someone said earlier that the hidden vins make the car and the body doesn't. I tend to disagree because most Ford's built prior to 1953 don't have vins on the body anywhere, only on the frame and engine. That is why you see so many 32-34 Ford street rods that have fiberglass bodies with correct vins for their model of car. The builders either use an existing frame that has no body and mount a new fiberglass body on it, or they stamp a new frame with a vin to which they have a title to and install a fiberglass body. Technically either way the car is not really a 32-34 Ford....is it not? To me if the riveted vin has never been removed from the car nor the metal it is attached to been removed, then it is still the car that it once was. How many Chevelles and Monte Carlos that have vins stamped on their frames had a frame swap done due to rust or crash damage? There are lots of them, so does that mean that original drivetrain LS6 Chevelle is no longer the car it originally was? Oh just thinking about this can give someone a headache. |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: volspeed1970</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> ... How many Chevelles and Monte Carlos that have vins stamped on their frames had a frame swap done due to rust or crash damage? There are lots of them, <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 17pt">so does that mean that original drivetrain LS6 Chevelle is no longer the car it originally was</span></span>? Oh just thinking about this can give someone a headache. </div></div>
yes, that is why the premium is paid for real cars with original parts, ESPECIALLY original paint cars ... anyone can "make" a car from parts, there are a LOT of them, witness the green 69 RS Z for over $100k at B-J that was a TOTAL re-body from scrap, that is one documented "car in the envelope" or car FROM an envelope, as it is called. rusty, rotted cars deserve to die and their number/VIN "retired", then their "good parts", ie the stuff that is not rotted out, axle, engine & trans can help another car live. a dynocorn car is basically a kit car, so is anything that has had the rotted or damaged body totally replaced ... just because a portion of the roof skin is "original" does not make it an "original" car imho |
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here is the nose of "that" 69 Camaro that was built from an envelope:
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a26...dopey69rsz.jpg |
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I think if Bergy makes a case to the state that this is truely most of the original car the VIN tag is riveted to, he may get to keep the original VIN. I think all this has to happen before they inspect the car, ofcourse. I think that is why he is investing in the complete paper trail and contacting real people to back it up that can testify in court if need be. We are talking about a car that can be worth $250K so I don't see any issue seeing a court case in this cars future.
Some experts in the Camaro field would have to say that the dash vin was never removed (so original paint better be present), and someone would have to say some of the original firewall is remaining. Lots of work ahead (and lots of money). IF the state would judge the car is original, then heck maybe he could then replace part of the firewall that is not original to the car and call it a day (removing traces of another car's firewall). I see that as the best outcome. Some experts would have to get a lot of money to authenticate this eBay Yenko the more I think about it, as their reputation and liability is always at risk. I do wonder how Jerry M backs up his authentications as he was innocently involved in the green Z envelop car. If Bergy is on the path I think he is on, he has to be prepared to shell out a lot of money to make his odds good on this. |
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[/quote]anyone can "make" a car from parts, there are a LOT of them, witness the green 69 RS Z for over $100k at B-J that was a TOTAL re-body from scrap, that is one documented "car in the envelope" or car FROM an envelope, as it is called.
<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">rusty, rotted cars deserve to die and their number/VIN "retired", </span></span>then their "good parts", ie the stuff that is not rotted out, axle, engine & trans can help another car live. a dynocorn car is basically a kit car, so is anything that has had the rotted or damaged body totally replaced ... just because a portion of the roof skin is "original" does not make it an "original" car imho [/quote] You can't be serious or, if you are, I hope you are referring to vehicles that are too far gone to be repaired. Even that is open to debate as there are many people who have the skills to save nearly any rusted vehicle. As far as I'm concerned I am happy to see these vehicles saved. |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dave Rifkin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[/quote]anyone can "make" a car from parts, there are a LOT of them, witness the green 69 RS Z for over $100k at B-J that was a TOTAL re-body from scrap, that is one documented "car in the envelope" or car FROM an envelope, as it is called.
<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">rusty, rotted cars deserve to die and their number/VIN "retired", </span></span>then their "good parts", ie the stuff that is not rotted out, axle, engine & trans can help another car live. a dynocorn car is basically a kit car, so is anything that has had the rotted or damaged body totally replaced ... just because a portion of the roof skin is "original" does not make it an "original" car imho </div></div> You can't be serious or, if you are, I hope you are referring to vehicles that are too far gone to be repaired. Even that is open to debate as there are many people who have the skills to save nearly any rusted vehicle. As far as I'm concerned I am happy to see these vehicles saved. [/quote] [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif[/img] What he said. |
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"How many Chevelles and Monte Carlos that have vins stamped on their frames had a frame swap done due to rust or crash damage? "
The only thing I've ever seen on Chevelle or Monte frames is the first five digits of the VIN, '13637', for example. Maybe I'm not looking in the right place, but when I look at the left side rear frame area adjacent to the gas tank that's all I've ever seen. I've seen full VINs on Vette frames, of course. Please let me know if I'm looking in the wrong place. Thanks. |
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<span style="font-style: italic">[quote=black69]"...Some experts in the Camaro field would have to say that the dash vin was never removed (so original paint better be present), and someone would have to say some of the original firewall is remaining..."[/quote</span>]
Bergy has already confirmed the Vin tag itself has indeed been removed so suggesting ideas like this also court cases and things anyone 'would have to say' sounds felonious?. Up 'til now I thought this thread was all about Bergy's quest of gaining information and opinions to determine what any components in hand actually are also considering possibilities of them being best consolidated both legally and fairly but including suggestions such as above in this open dialogue seems to take things from exploration to contriving?. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img] ~ Pete |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"How many Chevelles and Monte Carlos that have vins stamped on their frames had a frame swap done due to rust or crash damage? "
The only thing I've ever seen on Chevelle or Monte frames is the first five digits of the VIN, '13637', for example. Maybe I'm not looking in the right place, but when I look at the left side rear frame area adjacent to the gas tank that's all I've ever seen. I've seen full VINs on Vette frames, of course. Please let me know if I'm looking in the wrong place. Thanks.</div></div> Depends upon the year of the Chevelle as to whether the full vin is on the frame or not. I had to work in theft investigations years ago and got a valuable lesson from the cheif investigator when it came to these old cars. One case in particular involved a car that was a mix of three different years: 1972 body, 1970 frame, 1971 engine and trans, but had a 1970 vin on the dash. It was a mess and involved four different law enforcement agencies and three states! Though I am retired,I can't divulge anything more regarding vin locations because I still do work for local agencies when needed. Someone else might chime in privately to you. |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: volspeed1970</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: snydes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wonder now with the availability of full repo firewalls how many people are scrapping their confidential vins and not even realizing their significance?</div></div>
Exactly what I was thinking. This is a debate that will go on forever. Someone said earlier that the hidden vins make the car and the body doesn't. I tend to disagree because most Ford's built prior to 1953 don't have vins on the body anywhere, only on the frame and engine. That is why you see so many 32-34 Ford street rods that have fiberglass bodies with correct vins for their model of car. The builders either use an existing frame that has no body and mount a new fiberglass body on it, or they stamp a new frame with a vin to which they have a title to and install a fiberglass body. Technically either way the car is not really a 32-34 Ford....is it not? To me if the riveted vin has never been removed from the car nor the metal it is attached to been removed, then it is still the car that it once was. How many Chevelles and Monte Carlos that have vins stamped on their frames had a frame swap done due to rust or crash damage? There are lots of them, so does that mean that original drivetrain LS6 Chevelle is no longer the car it originally was? Oh just thinking about this can give someone a headache. </div></div> It is what it is. An LS6 with a replacement frame. Still a nice car but not as desirable as an all original. Numbers are huge as far as value is concerned,any of those missing the value goes with them. |
Re: E-Bay '69 Yenko Disguised As a Z-28 Clone!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dave Rifkin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You can't be serious or, <span style="font-weight: bold">if you are, I hope you are referring to vehicles that are too far gone to be repaired.</span> Even that is open to debate as there are many people who have the skills to save nearly any rusted vehicle. As far as I'm concerned I am happy to see these vehicles saved. </div></div> my point exactly ... Duesenbergs, Bugattis, AC Cobras and Shelby Mustangs are the only other cars (that come to mind) that have their serial numbers known and any <span style="font-weight: bold">tiny</span> piece from the "original" live on in a recreation ... why? Because of their value. No one cared about these cars (Camaros) 10-20 years ago, if they were "totaled" they were parted out ... that is where all the cool HP parts come from, wrecked & totaled cars. Then the "shell" was either cut up for replacement parts (quarters, floors, cowls, roofs, etc, you know, RUST or accident damage replacement panels), sold off and either crushed or morphed back into something salable. I can't tell you how many L78 Camaros and Z28's I personally parted out in the 70's & 80's, even a Z11 Pace Car Camaro. They were worth what we could get for them and if no one wanted them whole (missing the engines already in some cases), they were parted out. Think of all the LS series engines out of 98 & up Camaros, Firebirds and Corvettes that have departed from their "original" chassis / body / etc. They live on in all sorts of cars now. This response was not intended to take anything away from the original theme of this thread, it was merely my opinion in response to a question posed about replacement items on a high performance (desirable) vehicle. My apologies if anyone thinks the replies to questions raised in this thread are out of line or off topic. What happened to this car, the car this thread is about, happened to MANY, MANY cars, not just Camaros. It was all about value and what some skilled (and in a LOT of instances, not so skilled) "body" men could make from what they had to work with. |
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What is the sequence for apply a VIN on a 69 Camaro? Are the hidden vins stamped before the visual vin is attached to the dash/firewall area,or are they stamped after? Would the answer to this question determine if a hidden vin is the first or second vin applied and therefore determining which part of the car rightfully owns the number.
On full frame cars such as Olds 442 the vin is stamped on the frame in a variety of locations,all usually not visible unless the body gets removed. In the case of my 71 W30 convert the stamp reads 1M197xxx and I only saw it on the side of the frame rail below the drivers door. I never saw any other hidden vins on that body of any of the other 5 Oldsmobiles I have restored. Have Chevelle owners found vins stamped on the body? Tracker1 and myself will be discussing this at great lengths over a beer in a few weeks. When newfies get together.. world problems get resolved. Paul |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PeteLeathersac</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">[quote=black69]"...Some experts in the Camaro field would have to say that the dash vin was never removed (so original paint better be present), and someone would have to say some of the original firewall is remaining..."[/quote</span>]
Bergy has already confirmed the Vin tag itself has indeed been removed so suggesting ideas like this also court cases and things anyone 'would have to say' sounds felonious?. Up 'til now I thought this thread was all about Bergy's quest of gaining information and opinions to determine what any components in hand actually are also considering possibilities of them being best consolidated both legally and fairly but including suggestions such as above in this open dialogue seems to take things from exploration to contriving?. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img] ~ Pete </div></div> Hey, all I was trying to do is put a positive spin on what I think he could do, if ONE thing remained on the car like the vin plate. If that has been removed and reattached..then I think you have a pretty weak case getting a state to allow that car to keep its VIN. 35 pages to this thread, mistakes get made, I thought it was still original and never removed. Bergy did write: <span style="font-style: italic">I will move for a judicial declaration as to the propriety of this vin being attached to this car as soon as I have sufficient evidence.</span>. I got my head too wrapped up around that statement, and to me, this thread is more than just collecting information on his car. It opens up a lot of dialog. |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Canuck</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What is the sequence for apply a VIN on a 69 Camaro? Are the hidden vins stamped before the visual vin is attached to the dash/firewall area,or are they stamped after? Would the answer to this question determine if a hidden vin is the first or second vin applied and therefore determining which part of the car rightfully owns the number.
On full frame cars such as Olds 442 the vin is stamped on the frame in a variety of locations,all usually not visible unless the body gets removed. In the case of my 71 W30 convert the stamp reads 1M197xxx and I only saw it on the side of the frame rail below the drivers door. I never saw any other hidden vins on that body of any of the other 5 Oldsmobiles I have restored. Have Chevelle owners found vins stamped on the body? Tracker1 and myself will be discussing this at great lengths over a beer in a few weeks. When newfies get together.. world problems get resolved. Paul </div></div> ESPECIALLY when there's beer involved. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img] |
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Does the Title still exist that matches the hidden vins?
Who owns that Title? Would that person have any claim to this car? I would want to get that settled before a restoration. |
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If their is beer and cars involved count me in on anything ..I will bring the the yuengling and tastykakes if you guys bring the sleeman's
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Kind of an embarrasing situation occurred over Thanksgiving when I was in PA. A friend (also a Camaro judge) stopped over and, of course, we went up to my barn to look at cars. He took the cover off of #616414. After about a minute or so, he asked me why I thought the VIN tag had been off of the car. I replied that the attachment rivets were put in backwards. To my great embarrassment he told me that all 1969 Camaros have their rivets installed like that!!!! Frankly, I've never paid much attention to the VIN attachments on 1969s - they are kind of hidden up under the dash pad. Most VIN tags that I see are attached with rivets installed from the same side that the numbers are facing. The rivets on 1969 Camaros are obviously installed from the opposite side. As I recall, another person who commented in this thread (or maybe it was vfitom in a PM) also erroniously thought the rivets were installed backwards when he inspected the car in 2000. Anyway, for those who have followed this thread - I wanted to appologize and clear up the confusion that I have caused with regard to the VIN having been off of the car. Also, according to my friend, there is corrosion at the base of the attachment rivets which indiates that they have been in place for a long time. Of course, all of this (including the rivet heads) has to be photo documented when (and if) the car gets disassembled.
The project involving locating old owners is progressing (slowly). The number of owners in PA since new is 21! Hopefully, I can document discussions with most of them - it would make great reading. I have gotten tied up on one rabbit trail that inolves PA title sequence number 17 (issued in '01 or '02). Ths title doesn't appear in the continuous ownership history of the car. Maybe it's where the "car in an envelope" story came from? I'm certain that the VIN tag has been continuously attached to this car throughout that period. If anyone has any info regarding this (or heard any rumors worth my following up on) I would appreciate an email. |
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that is certainly encouraging bergy! what do you mean IF it gets disassembled? i hope you are not getting discouraged!
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So 616414 is not or was not ever "in an envelope" ? That's good news as long as there is not another car #'d 616414. Good luck on the rabbit trail !
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Thanks for your encouragement.
If the "in an envelope" rumor ever had any basis in fact, it would have had to involve just a paper title. I say this with certainty because the vin tag has definitely been attached to this vehicle throughout the period (long before & to my knowledge was never off) the rumor started. Let's face it, nefarious people can get a title for any car (and make up a car to go with it). They could do it with any of our cars. That's why concrete histories of sellers and buyers are soooo important. When (and if) the states comply with the mandate to tie together computer records, it will be more dificult. It's a shame to sully the reputation of any of these great cars when these rumors are repeated, but I have myself to blame for adding support to the rumor by indicating that the vin tag had been removed in the past. Once again, it's my embarrassing error. I'm not getting discouraged. However, I only restore/keep cars that I have 100% of the history on. I'm not there yet with 616414, but I'm getting a lot closer. I've done this histoical search routine a lot of times, but never on a car with THIS many owners! Once again - if anyone has a memory of a RG Yenko running around the streets in eastern PA - email me your lead(s) and I will follow them up! |
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We're pulling for ya, Bergy. And I appreciate your candor.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bergy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">he told me that all 1969 Camaros have their rivets installed like that!!!!</div></div>
IIRC, LOS/VN and NOR rivets were installed differently due to Fisher and the point in the assembly process in which the windshield was installed. NOR from underneath, LOS from the top. |
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Dave
Here is a 1969 Camaro 05A Van Nuys car http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...e/DSCF7171.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...e/DSCF7170.jpg |
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It would appear that I did not remember correctly [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]
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It gets worse with age too... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img]...now where did I put that &^%$...
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Nova and Camaro are all rivited from the bottom that I have seen.
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Hey Bergy, I feel better again about my post I made relative to your car. I think you have a shot if that VIN tag has been with most of the shell, I would think otherwise if it was truely removed and reattached at one time, and you have no remaining hidden vins that match.
I would think the state may grant you the right to keep that VIN, and at that point, you should remove the wrong old firewall pieces and replace with non stamped material. Keep the state paperwork always with the car that authorizes the VIN, and life is good. |
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Hey Bergy,
Your research sounds encouraging and I certainly wish you the best of luck. I do have a question though. Have you offered this car for sale recently to anyone? If so, why do you want to sell it midstream of your research? |
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the car is absolutely not for sale Tom. I have had a lot of interest, but anyone who asked has been told that it is not for sale - period. Like you said, there is a lot of research left to do. Thanks for helping me clear that up.
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Bergy, good day to you Sir.
After 18 pages of...discussion, You need to decide for yourself exactly what you have here in your posession. Some of us have 1 Camaro, some of us have several. I personally have 2 69's in my posession. <span style="font-weight: bold">BOTH</span> ... I can prove, have VIN's that are present on the Cowl Panel and the Firewall matching my dash VIN tag. Bergy, After 18 pages of...discussion here, If you do NOT have the VIN stamped on the Cowl and Firewal "Heater Core" area matching the VIN tag on the dash, Then you have a Camaro that is in question, and by many views, is not a complete car. I agree with the person who stated that the VIN stamped on the Cowl & Firewall Heater Box area as the true identity of any 1969 Camaro, with regards, in question here. I think you need to stop, with consideration that you are NOW the current owner of this Camaro in question, put an end to everyone's speculation & quite frankly : your own, and take the front sheetmetal off of the car and start documenting EXACTLY what you have in your posession! Your paper trail helps determine the path of the car's past. Your paper trail provides evidence of the VIN statements. You need to decide which car is truly in your posession: The VIN riveted into the dash panel....or The VIN stamped on the cowl panel. If your Cowl Panel VIN stamping is NOT matching the Firewall Heater Box VIN stamping ( including the Dash Panel VIN ), Then you have a very serious decision to make with what you have. Please, after 18 pages.... of discussion: Take the sheetmetal off of the front of this car and document what is currently present and move forward with your decision on this car in question. Note: Good Luck to you ! I wish you the best of luck on your decision. No one in this Hobby wants to go thru what you are about to do. |
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In the State of Indiana, all out of state titles require an inspection by a police officer or employee of the Bureau of Motor Vehicles. They check the title and match it to the VIN tag on the car. They run that VIN nationally to establish that it is not stolen, had liens applied to it, etc.
No one checks the hidden VINs on the car. They simply use the VIN tag. I commend Bergy for his honesty and this open discussion of his car. It amazes me how many people want to defraud his process and tell him what to do with his propery. Bergy, I'm looking forward to seeing you make some passe at the Super Car Reunion! |
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