Re: realistic price for 70 Z-28
 

Just out of curiosity for you folks lucky enough to dabble in the 69 copo's, how much does nom matter in an otherwise documented car, if its restored correctly.
I mean how much is the price affected. I realise these cars are rarer than 70 Z's, but you can see where I'm going with this.

Also how much if any bearing is put on original body panels and parts vs. replacement. The "pieced together" 70 in this thread is interesting. If the car is a true Z its worth something, but given the rising costs of correct parts for these cars, what effect does that have on project car pricing if any?.
As more of the cars available as projects are of a lets say..less complete variety, what effect that will have on value?
I would project values will continue to rise as the available stock of project cars (and their condition), dwindles.
Anyone who strts one of these projects now, and sees it through to completion is going to have a lot more invested at the end of the day than what a lot of the current finished cars are bringing.
Maybe the "good" 70 Z-28's are a bargain even now?
I mean, that Citrus 70 on ebay looks not bad for 19k, yeah its not a full resto, but it looks relatively complete and decent.
Mark.

Re: realistic price for 70 Z-28
 

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'70 Z-28s are extremely interesting cars that seem to be catching on finally as they should. Good cars, unrestored survivors or quality restorations are few and far between. As for the issue of COPO '70 Z's........a different spoiler is a bit of a stretch to call these cars COPOs in the same venue as the '69 cars. Actually when these cars were new I worked at Daileys Chevrolet in Erie, Pa. (also bought a new '70 camaro 350 4spd, F41, D80 etc.) and the general concensus was the smaller spoiler was preferred. It did seem like almost all of the later built 70s had the 3 piece as I recall. Still two here in Erie from Daileys, one nice, one rough as hell. As these cars become more recognized the future looks bright as to their value, either spoiler not being the issue. Colors, options and correctness along with docs will be the factor. It already takes "69 Z money to secure a good one.

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George,

When I spoke to Piggins in 1985 he was really quite clear on the issue of the COPO spoiler cars being built to get parts approved for "racing". You have your opinion about them and I guess you will not be buying a COPO 9796 equipped '70 then right? Good. I am not sure I am following the remainder of your post... you seem to say that 9796 is not a real COPO like in 1969, well I hate to break it to you but the '70 car is a '70 and not a 69 427 car, so you are 100% correct.

Later you say that the future is bright for a 70 Z-28 value wise...What are you smoking?? Do you know- or do you have any idea just how hard it is currently to restore a '70 to a 100% correct quality restoration? Many, many correct reproduction parts are not on the market for 70, nor are good NOS or used parts, and lots of minor changes were made by '71. As a result the bad ones are under valued and the really good ones may be overvalued. The market for a '70 Z-28 is not even close to the steady value of the 69 Z-28 mainly due to the current aftermarket support in reproduction parts.

I am glad you were working at Dailey's then because there was a really smart salesman there that ordered at least three of the rarest 70 Camaros made... mine and at least two others.

PS.. You are not planning to try to buy for "ultra cheap" one of those super rare '70 COPO Camaros still in Erie - ala -like your recent Yenko Chevelle purchase you made from the unsuspecting seller are ya??? I am sure you told him of the SY -Chevelle's true value when you wrote the check right??


Phil

Re: realistic price for 70 Z-28
 

WOW, you havin' a bad day or what ??????
I guess I will respond since you end with a question.
Yes, it is MY OPINION only that the COPO/Spoiler is factual but a bit of a stretch.
I don't smoke but I do believe "the future is bright for '70 Z28s" again just MY OPINION.
Daileys Chevrolet sold more than 3 9796 cars ordered by a salesman/sales manager named Dave Tavernese who ordered most of the hi-po stuff. I talk to him still.
No, I am not trying to buy one of the 9796 Erie cars. I know both guys and might in the future if they try to sell but not chasing them, my plate is full right now.
And now to answer your insult relative to my sYc Chevelle purchase: I searched and found the car from a very old lead. I contacted the owner. He said YES, he would consider selling on our first visit. He took about 2-3 weeks to come up with a price. I PAID HIS PRICE. And it was not "ultra cheap". I have searched, found and purchased a lot of rare cars over the years, from early Corvettes under $1000 to an unknown 300SL Gullwing Mercedes 50 miles fom my home, and this transaction on the sYc Chevelle resulted in as satisfied a seller and buyer as any car I can think of.
Your insinuation is slightly tinted "green" and this might be a good time to say Thank You again to all the members who posted kind words about my lucky find and puchase when I first told my tale back in March.
George

Re: realistic price for 70 Z-28
 

hey guy's ,new member here! i'm the proud owner of many camaros,one of my newest additions is a feb. 71 copo z28 with 16,354 miles on it,& 85 % of the original paint.i also have lot's of documentation.drivetrain however was changed it was drag raced in the day's.i'm also one that considers these cars rare & did pay very dearly for it .i will post my story & pics under copo topic later when i get a chance.

Re: realistic price for 70 Z-28
 

As the proud owner of a '70 RS Z/28 (hugger orange/blk. stripes),NOM (replacement service block purchased in 1970)D-80 (April build),I would love to see it's value increase anywhere close to what I have invested in it...but I just don't see that happening anytime soon...at least no where close to '69 prices.I have owned this car since 1979 ($4500 purchase price)and am still waiting for early 2nd gen cars to catch up.

Will they ever?

John
1969 Z/28 (MIllenium Yellow/Blk stripes)
1970 RS Z/28 (Hugger Orange/Blk stripes)
1970 Chevelle SS-454 LS-6 (Cranberry Red/Blk stripes)
1970 El Camino SS-454 (Cranberry Red/Blk stripes)

Re: realistic price for 70 Z-28
 

George,

Thanks for the clairification, If you did the research and spoke to Vince Piggins in the past about this very issue you would clearly understand the greater significance of the production of these cars and just how they supported Chevrolet racing and the SCCA Trans Am Teams in 70.

You see Chevrolet could not meet the SCCA rules by making 1000 spoilers. They had to factory produce the car with this package to meet the SCCA rules. This was a very hard task given the short introduction of the 70 and the mid production request from the Chapparal team for the extra downforce needed to keep the cars on the track at high speed.

1000 cars were required by SCCA rules, and according to Piggins far, far, less were actually made - Chevrolet cheated and got away with it.

See if you have the time - attend any vintage Trans-AM racing event you will get respect for these cars fast by seeing them in person.

So in review I still find your "Stretch" comment offensive. So be it.

By the way yesterday was great and today I am also having a great day. You have one too. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

Phil

Re: realistic price for 70 Z-28
 

Does anyone know what will show on a window sticker (if anything) on a bonafide '70 Z with a 3 pc spoiler? The one guy here in town, original owner but the rough car, claims to have his sticker. Good guy, I asked him to get it for me to post but maybe it isn't going to tell anything. I admit I don't know, never saw a WS from one of these except for the ones we just scraped off new cars and threw away. Original WS always intrigue me as so few people ever asked for us to remove them to save. How about this: I didn't even save my own from my '70 and I TOOK IT OUT, in pieces, soaking wet, into the trash it went. Never gave it a thought but saved all the other paperwork from ordering/buying the car.

Re: realistic price for 70 Z-28
 

George,

See if you can get a copy of it. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

Phil

Re: realistic price for 70 Z-28
 

As everyone is aware, "Copo" doesn't mean anything but central office production order.
If you ordered 100 plain 1970 station wagons with pink paint and a v6, you got "copo" cars.

The percieved value of any particular copo package varys with its desirability,components and usage.

I think what George meant was that the 9796 is not in the same catagory as a 9560 or 9561, owing to the scope, number and type of items in these packages(contents).

Is it a slam of a copo 9796 vehicle?
I think not, and while no one will dispute the rarity and collectablity of ANY of the copo packages, the 69 copo's are definately a different league of copo than a 70.

Re: realistic price for 70 Z-28
 

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Do you know- or do you have any idea just how hard it is currently to restore a '70

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As someone who is trying to locate some pieces for my car I would have to agree 100% with this statement. Parts for these cars have sky-rocketed in the last few years. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif