Yes they were.

emissions compliant
production exhaust system
12/12 and 5/50,000 powertrain warranties
delivered to Chevrolet dealerships with a retail price label
body tag includes federal compliance statement

69 units produced on the assembly line, just like any other 1969 Camaro including standard production heater/defroster, insulation, sealer and sound deadener. Anybody could buy one and drive it on the street. #3 and #55 were only street driven and exist today in unrestored original condition.

A better example of a 'musclecar' that was not production were the Hemi Darts and Barracudas. No VIN, no MSO, no emissions equipment. Maybe also the Hurst 401 AMXs.

What was the RPO for the motor option? It doesn't have one. Just a COPO number.

Are you kidding?.......ZL-1.

Yep. Just like 1970 Z28s with COPO 9796.

9560

'ZL-1' does not appear on any COPO 9560 Camaro document. Factory build records for COPOs 9560 & 9561 list the L78 engine, which incorrectly inflated actual L-78 production totals by 1,066 units.

Wo reversed the image?

----Those rubber band tires are (IMHO) just wrong!.....Bill S

----Love the art deco hood vents!....Bill S

But Steve he asked what was the RPO for the motor option,is why I said ZL-1.
Like when a customer placed an order for a 1970 Chevelle Z-25 SS 396,he received the L-34 engine,(not the L-78 upgrade),which was automatically included with the std. Z-25 1970 SS package,and was not shown at all on the Window sticker either.
Just like if a customer placed an order for the 1969 COPO Camaro package 9560,they automatically received the motor option ZL-1 right at the factory,and not the L-78.(although the car received the L-78 ornamental treatment for obvious reasons)

Here is the description for RPO Code ZL1:

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The ZL1 Camaros used a COPO number . . . NOT an RPO code. You can easily see this on the paperwork provided.

So tell me . . . what does RPO stand for? Does it stand for Regular Production Order?

It's the same thing with the 427 Camaros and Chevelles. Nowhere does L72 appear on the paperwork. Only a COPO number.

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Altered States: The 1965 Dodge and Plymouth F/X Hemi Cars Were Milestone Musclecars

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Rare car. 1970 1/2 Cobra Jet Ram Air Ford Falcon. Not many of these were made.

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How times have changed. The car was for transporting people - not their stuff as we see from the small "trunk" which almost looks like an after thought. Didn't people have "stuff" at this time that they might want to take with them, other than clothes?

I get where both sides are coming from, but Lee has a good point. You weren't going to go down to small town Hutchinson's Chevrolet (local GM dealer town of 1200 - I also know the owners son) and just order a ZL1 Camaro via a regular order sheet. I would wager to bet even that small time zone manager would not have known how to get one(I could be wrong).

Lee, all I need to take along for trips are clothing and firearms

No - RPO codes get reused, so it is important to use contemporaneous references when decoding the RPO, rather than generic modern lists* which can create additional confusion. I think we can disregard ZL1 as a "noise control" device for the purpose of our discussion.

RPO = "Regular Production Option". In addition to RPOs there are also SEOs ("Specialty Equipment Options"), which can be used for low volume fleet builds. Uhaul paint schemes, hand throttles, hour meters, weird tires, etc, could all be defined by SEOs.

K

*no judgement; happens all the time among squarebody truck enthusiasts. I even have a meme for it.

I'm still on the fence, but watching with great interest to see where we land on this.

My only contribution at this time would be that the options do add, combine, and supersede each other, particularly for pricing, packaging and window sticker reporting, like what Mr 70 suggested.

In my world, a guy might want RPO B85 bright body side molding and order that, but it gets comped up into a YG3 Deluxe Molding Exterior package which includes B80 roof drip moldings, B96 wheel opening moldings, V22 uplevel grille and the desired B85 side trim. The YG3 appearance package would be what appears on the invoice and the window sticker.

I think that's your answer. It doesn't mean the other options don't exist or get used, or that they are not named correctly; they are just buried in the packaging.

K

All 1969 ZL-1 Camaros were ordered via a regular dealer order form bearing a six-character tracking number in the upper RH corner. Gibb's 50 were NCJ016-NCJ065.

As for the small town comment...

Gibb Chevrolet La Harpe IL current population 1,141. Huffmans Chevrolet Farmington IL [ZL-1s #66 & #67] current population 2,272. Brooks Chevrolet Co. Millen GA [ZL-1 #51] current population 2,921. Brewers Chevrolet Campton KY [ZL-1 #57] current population 424.

78% of ZL-1 Camaros were delivered to dealerships in towns with a current population of less than 3,000.

Guessing that all those BOSS 429 Mustangs were not productions cars either, as Ford did not install the engines.

William that for providing the facts. Too many times opinions are thrown out as WAG or just as a contrarian.

So you are also including:

1965/1966 Shelby GT350s
1969 Hurst Olds
1969 Scrambler
All Superbirds

You are saying these aren't production cars because Ford, Olds, AMC and Plymouth didn't do 100% of the build?

I call BS on that!

ZL-1 [and L-72] Camaros were 100% complete, driven off the assembly line, loaded on transporters. Not one special process was required to complete them. They were in every sense of the word, production cars.

Boss 429 Mustangs had to be shipped to another facility for the installation of a different engine. Puts them in the same category as 67-68 Yenko Camaros, Motion, Dana, Nickey, Harrell 427 cars.

Shelby was a manufacturer; his cars had Shelby-American VINs and could be registered with their VIN.

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story I guess.

How can you say that? None of those companies made the engines they put in their cars. Ford built the Boss 429 engines then shipped it to Kar Kraft who installed them. All you did was create a Straw Man Argument with your list.

All he did was finish the cars. Ford supplied the Mustangs. The fact that he added a VIN to his cars changes nothing. He was no different than Yenko or Nickey.

Bending the truth to your own agenda - that's a good story too. :no:

JMHO. I am a nobody here.

Give it a rest guys. Just depends on your definition of production cars.
Agree to disagree.
Let's focus on the things we DO agree on.

I was just trying to explain what I replied on earlier,not contradicting anyone here in anyway.
Always enjoy learning more details about these cars.Lots of good points & details being brought up.

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