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B-2 Stealth bomber on display. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif
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P-51 Mustang on a solo pass. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/cool.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif The pilot is a retired Air Force General. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif
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The muscle car of the skies
I think they are a little off on their survivor count of 60 since over 100 of these with be at the "Gathering of Mustangs" in September. There are likely over 10 just in the Mpls area alone. |
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Follow this link, turn up the volume, start the video and expand it to full screen:
http://www.airshowbuzz.com/videos/view.php?v=9fbefb47 https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif For an encore, click the next video link. Old airshow promo, but will make the hair on your neck stand up. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif |
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Gentlemen!
A moment of silence for a terrible tragedy today. http://webzoom.freewebs.com/nuch_ss3...icture2188.jpg |
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Just called a friend of mine to make sure it wasnt him.
He is at the show and it was his friend who died in the plane !!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/crazy.gif |
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Rich!
I'm glad he wasn't your friend. So sad, but he was someones friend. It's almost too sad to think about; the loss of a beautiful and rare vintage fighter aircraft and the pilot too. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif All in the name of fun. Steve |
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It's terrible this happened. Another tragedy....I just saw where there was a crash at the Dayton Air Show today and the pilot was killed.
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I thought the B-29 was great Till I found this
RC/F-16 jet If you have sound this thing sounds like the real deal and once it is in the sky you foget that it is a model found this site that sell them this thing is real to cool https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNj0v...ed&search= |
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F-14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IXQV...ed&search= these things must be a blast https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif here is more http://www.jetsrc.com/modelos/modelos_en.htm |
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You are a South African bush pilot working for Blue Sky Aviation.
You fly in some critical medical supplies, enjoy a quick lunch at the hospital. It's a stifling 112 degrees in the shade and you're eager to get back up to the cool, high blue yonder. On the way back to your plane, you discover that the only bit of shade within 1 mile has become very popular . . You start calculating the distance to the plane door and wonder . . . "Do I feel lucky today?" - - - - - - - - http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t...hevy/Image.jpg |
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F-14 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IXQV...ed&search= these things must be a blast https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif here is more http://www.jetsrc.com/modelos/modelos_en.htm [/ QUOTE ] Norm, Nice link to some awesome models. I watched the video of the RC planes that crashed. Man, some of those guys were really shaken-up at the loss of their aircraft. I guess it would be much like having your restored COPO go up in flames https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif Steve |
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Nice link to some awesome models. I watched the video of the RC planes that crashed. Man, some of those guys were really shaken-up at the loss of their aircraft. I guess it would be much like having your restored COPO go up in flames [/ QUOTE ] Yes I know what you mean . I watch many video's for hours The sound that the jet RC's make sounds like the real ones You have to have a good skill with them ME I crash them just trying to land the thing https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif |
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Gentlemen! A moment of silence for a terrible tragedy today. [image] http://webzoom.freewebs.com/nuch_ss396/misc/Picture2188.jpg[/image] [/ QUOTE ] I heard the terrible news on the weekend too...our thoughts and prayers to the families and friends.. Same also to the loved ones of the young Canadian Snowbird pilot who went down in May.. It's been a bad year so far for the US and Canadian Airshow groups also the Warbird community...lets hope there's no more.. Although not fighting an enemy when they went down, these pilots where none the less giving to others while doing what they loved...Godspeed and tailwinds brave lads.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif ~ Pete |
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Well said - Pete https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif
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I have a friend who flies Mustangs and he says this kind of thing is why he does not perform formation landings.
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Tragic news and the second bad news of the day.
Annie and I went to Capital Airport today to visit a B-17, B-24 and B-25 that were staying there for a few days and called my Warbird restorer/brother to let him hear the B-24 firing up (I will post pictures later) At that time he informed me of this tragidy. As it turned out I knew both pilots, Gerry Beck flying Precious Metal II and Bob Odegaards's son Casey flying Dazzling Donna. Casey survived but Gerry was killed upon impact. Anyone who knows either of these gentleman know what a tragic loss to the Warbird community that Gerry's death will bring as he was a huge asset to the P-51 family. Not a good day today. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif |
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Rick,
Does anyone know what happened to cause this crash? Hard to believe a landing could go so badly. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif Steve |
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This is only speculation based on watching a video of the mishap.
The lead Mustang, a heavier D-model, landed on-speed and began to decelerate immediately. The wingman, a lighter A-model, was high on the approach and at the last few seconds lowered the nose to land in formation. In lowering the nose, the wingman P-51A accelerated and began to overtake the leader. The leader, with a larger four-blade prop that makes more drag in idle than the A's smaller 3-blade prop, was already decelerating at a faster rate and the A rapidly overtook the D. The A pilot may have kept his power in a split-second longer and that would have exacerbated his developing overtake problem. By the time the wingman A-model realized his overtake problem, as well as an overlap problem between his right wing and the tail of lead, it was too late to avoid collision. Note also that it appears that the wingman may have never actually touched-down fully--his airplane was flying, or at least very light on the wheels, throughout the mishap and thus the wings were still making lift, allowing the rolling of the wings during impact. The wingman's right wing impacted lead's tail, forcing the wingman's left (opposite) wing to move forward and therefore accelerate and therefore make more lift and fly upward. Up flew the A's left wing, inducing a right-roll. As the A rolled its wings toward vertical, the pilot did not input full left rudder. Note: An airplane's rudder is the last control surface to be effective in a stall or as speed decreases. The ailerons (on the wings) lose effectiveness first, then the elevators (horizontal across the tail), then the rudder is last to lose effectiveness. Full left rudder might have kept the tail down as the wings went vertical and the A-model might have stayed right-side up and merely cartwheeled and/or spun on its belly shearing-off the landing gear, etc. Unfortunately, the situation developed so fast that the pilot in the A seems to not have been able to jam in full left rudder to keep the A right-side up. The rest is obvious from the photos and from video. Again, my friend, an experienced military and WWII fighter operator, shuddered as he watched the video of this accident. Warbird fighter pilots RARELY perform formation landings, especially in dissimilar types such as a P-51D/P-51A pairing with differing weights, differing prop drag, and thus differing rates of deceleration. Another mistake was that lead touched-down first. He thus immediately decelerated as the wingman, still airborne, dove to land and thus accelerated. Watch the Blue Angels or Snowbirds perform their formation landings and you will see that the following aircraft always lands first and the leader is the last to touch down. That way, the formation decelerates from the rear and not from the front, as we see in the Oshkosh mishap. This is not intended to unfairly criticize a dead pilot. Such accidents can happen to anyone and they often do. Any smart pilot who hears about a crash shudders and realizes but for the grace of God... |
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This is a real lost these guys did what they did best and loved doing so so sad
I found this and I think I am hooked http://www.jetsrc.com/videos/15smoke.wmv |
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Hey Norm!
Right behind you on that one. I think I'm hooked as well. Think I'll build an F-14 Tomcat though https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif Steve |
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In between the SCR10 and Gibb shows I stayed in Springfield, IL. As stated earlier in this thread I was very excited while watching the local news to see that Capitol Airport was being blessed with a B-17, B-24 and B-25 that we laying over for a few days in between air shows. Annie and I visited for several hours looking at the planes and talking to some of the people. I was amazed at how many ex B-17, B-24 and B-25 airmen had come to the airport to see the airplanes, one local man claiming to be a turret gunner from that very same B-17 (likely same nose art but not same airframe). At any rate, we could have stayed for
many more hours if not for the heat. The B-17 and B-24 were both doing run ups while we were there but our timing over the three days was never on and missed all the departure and arrivals. I came VERY close to buying a seat on the plane as that opportunity does not present itself very often and at $425 that was a pretty cheap seat in my opinion. http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n...n_IMG_1487.jpg |
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This is the B-24. I was very disappointed to find out that this used to be the "Dragon and His Tail" paint scheme but was recently painted. That scheme was stunning compared to this one with all due respect to all the signitures on this plane and it's tribute.
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Very cool pics Rick! Reminds me of some of the planes in the Tucson area.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif
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Look for my brothers F-105 with the tail number "427" in that museum next time you go there. That was the plane he was assigned to while serving in Korat, Thailand. Quite a touching story when he and I went there for the very first time before he knew it was there. Tough to see a grown man fall to his knees in tears.....I had remembered him telling me about this "427" plane when I was a kid in the early 70's as he and I had always had a special place for 427 cars so it was very fitting.
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How cool is that? I will look for it the next time I am there https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif
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The Gathering of Mustangs and Legends is only 6 weeks away.
If you want to see the Mustangs that will be flying in for the show, click this link: http://www.gml2007.com/p51plane-name.asp There is a picture of every P-51 that will be in attendance, just click on the name of the plane. Hope you can make it. |
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Andy, Gonna be there as well as Jeg's Sport Nat's at National Trail that weekend too. It's my birthday too. Well two outa three ain't bad.
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Just an update. I was just sent this video of the crash.
P-51 crash It concerns me as many in the Warbird community have said that these two would not do a formation landing especially with disimiliar aircraft, however the video appears to me that was what they were doing. Some also think it could have been prop wash and/or a blind spot. If indeed there was a blind spot (which there would have been in Gerry's case) it surprises me he did not shoot a go around. Whatever the case, both these men are/were seasoned pilots and would never have put either in harms way intentionally. I will wait patiently until the NTSB figures out what went wrong. Regadless, it was still an accident. Also, I stated earlier the D-model involved in the crash was "Dazzling Donna". It was in fact Dazzling Donna but painted up as "Stang" for an upcoming movie titled "Thunder Over Reno". I am not sure that the filming was completed prior to the crash as both planes are in the movie. Regardless, it will be a great tribute, and I am sure dedicated to someone very special in the P-51 community. Gerry was instrumental as was Bob Odegard in the initial restoration of the P-51C Red Tail that I also helped restore as well as the re-restoration after engine failure/crash that took the life of a good friend Don Hinz. |
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The latest explanation I have heard is that they were performing individual landings after flying a five-ship formation for a photo shoot. The lead aircraft, a Sea Fury, led the formation overhead the runway and each aircraft performed a "pitch-out" for spacing prior to landing one by one. The lead aircraft landed on "brick one," meaning the first part of the runway, forcing the second airplane, an F2G Corsair, to go-around due to insufficient spacing on the runway. (The leader was supposed to land farther down to provide spacing for the number two airplane, etc.) So the number two plane goes around and the number three, the yellow-nosed P-51D, lands. The mishap green-winged P-51A performed his final turn and apparently had lost sight of the preceding airplane, the P-51D, and had come very close to the 51D making it look like a formation landing. It seems that the mishap P-51A finally regained sight of the preceding 51D as he flared for landing. He may have tried to add power for a go-around but did not have room as he impacted the 51D's tail.
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OK - This is one of my all time favorite USAF bombers.
http://webzoom.freewebs.com/nuch_ss3.../b58Bendix.jpg It's the Convair B-58 Hustler. Our first mach 2 bomber! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif Nuch |
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B-58 fly-by! Watch the crowds physical reaction as it passes. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif
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More B-58's: http://webzoom.freewebs.com/nuch_ss3...B58-flying.jpg http://webzoom.freewebs.com/nuch_ss3...terburners.jpg http://webzoom.freewebs.com/nuch_ss396/misc/B58-26.jpg http://webzoom.freewebs.com/nuch_ss396/misc/08big.jpg Nuch [/ QUOTE ] If I remember this was the bomber from the movie Fail Safe. Great looking aircraft. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif |
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Yeah - it was the "Supercar" of the SAC bomber fleet. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif
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