How do people pay for gas? Credit/Debit cards. That wasn't hard to figure out was it?

Again, the price will not be the same in each state just like the price of gas is diffrerent in each state.

The internet is a wonderful tool Bill. Try using it for answers to your questions:

Table of Average Electricity Rates by State

https://i.postimg.cc/fRtHD0JN/screenshot-10894.png

https://www.electricchoice.com/elect...ices-by-state/

Lee,

Did I strike a nerve or something? Your reply was a little harsh don't you think? Most people on this site know I have owned a Marathon Truck Stop and Repair facility for the last 37 years, and worked there a total of 49 years as an employee or employer so I obviously know how people pay for Fuel. Sorry if I didn't explain myself, but what I was asking if the whole process was going to be paid like a toll system is, as to where Illinois' I-Pass system is good in many states when traveling to pay for tolls and vise versa, then you would be billed directly every month by the state issuing your transponder.

Your table of State electricity prices doesn't answer my question how much per charge people will be paying, That was my question. If you would like to take this conversation off line, tell me and I'll give you my cell phone number so we can talk, I am not a bad Guy, and I really enjoy this site, so I'm NOT looking to start a War. I just don't get the Buzz about EV's being practical (right now anyway). And by the way diffrerent is spelled different, and I know how to use the Internet.

Respectfully waiting for your reply, public or private.
Bill Pankiw

And if I want to drive from New York to California - you can see where Trasponders really wouldn't work. It will work the same way it does today only with gas. You pull in - submit your CC/Debit Card into the charging station and charge up. Your rate is based on which state your in. Instead of gallons of gas it's KWH.

How much will people pay? How much do they pay today to fill up with gas? One guy used 15 gallons, another 22. It will be the same for an EV Charging Station. Keep in mind that buying gas includes state and federal taxes. That will have to be added to every charge some how.

There is no reason to complicate this. Just substitute a Charging Station for a Gas Pump.

How Much Does it Cost to Charge an Electric Car?

https://www.kbb.com/car-advice/how-m...-charge-an-ev/

Lee it's not that simple, and please show some respect to members questions. This industry can't even agree on a common charging plug. Nothing is set in stone at this point.

If for instance an owner supplies their own charging power by use of solar/wind how is the road tax collected. Perhaps EV cars will have instrumentation to capture charging information and transmit it to tax collecting municipalities.

I could also see where home/roadside charging stations will ultimately be required by state /federal government to report usage and collect tax based on each vehicle and ultimately each owner.

I figured this EV technology would integrate well into the protouring segment, although I've seen conversions on pretty original cars as well.

Tony Hawk had his 64 Corvette converted and was on the Jay Leno show

Current and future additional delays in the gM EV roll out likely involve the messy gM partnership with battery material supplier GLENCORE.

Details of Glencore's corrupt activities emerged literally YEARS before GM signed a multiyear deal last April to source metal for batteries that will be used in the upcoming Chevy Silverado and other EVs but gM still did the deal anyway-- however GLENCORE is still having difficulty emerging from the larger worldwide corruption scandal.

In everyday language:
"Show me your friends and I’ll show you your future because you become who you willingly do business with".


DOJ Press release:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/glenc...lation-schemes

Analysis of what this means: https://compliancechief360.com/glenc...rruption-case/

A tentacle of the GLENMORE bribery and corruption probe caught Brian So (also known as Hyoung Nam So), then the the manager of gM’s Global Purchasing and Supply Chain organization who took $3.45 million in cash bribes from a supplier.

Mr. SO surrendered to authorities on March 24 after a federal grand jury charged him with bribery conspiracy and was terminated from employment by gM on April 1st 2022.

According to gM: “General Motors does not tolerate or condone corruption or bribery of any kind, the illegal conduct alleged is entirely inconsistent with our code of conduct and corporate policies"

Yet AFTER GLENMORE was caught red handed and plead guilty-- they (gM) did a major deal with them for the cobalt they needed for the new Ulitium battery platform... I SEE a contradiction here, a moral and ethical one at that.

gmauthority.com/blog/2022/03/former-gm-manager-arrested-for-taking-bribes-from-parts-supplier/

George Carlin's oxymorons, "military intelligence" "business ethics".....

I think standardization of the charging plugs is happening but it will take a while. it's in the best interest of the OEMs to do this, it will reduce range anxiety.

And of course, here goes NY following CA's lead:

New York State Wants to Ban New Gas Cars and Trucks by 2035

The State of New York has joined Washington and California in introducing efforts that will phase out the sale of new gas and diesel-engined cars and light trucks in the coming years. New York Governor Kathy Hochul directed the State Department of Environmental Conservation to take steps that will gradually phase out the sale of new internal combustion engine vehicles by the year 2035, with a number of interim targets between now and the target year.

The governor's initiative essentially directs a state administrative agency to adopt rules through rulemaking procedures, similar to an effort first announced by California Governor Gavin Newsom two years ago. However, it was California's adoption of Advanced Clean Cars II last month that has opened the door to New York state to adopt the same goal.

According to the plan, the rules will require that 35% of light vehicle sales in the state be of zero-emission vehicles by 2026—identical to California's interim targets promulgated by CARB—moving up to 68% by 2030. By 2035, all 100% of light vehicle sales will be mandated to be ZEV.

Some critics of California's efforts in this regard argue that the plans don't actually go far enough, neglecting to add more stringent requirements to internal combustion vehicles.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news...35/ar-AA12sglJ

Hydrogen fueled vehicles seem to be a hit in other countries

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news...85e44442ef79fa

More BAD news:

A real-world test of towing with the new Electric F-150:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nS0Fdayj8Y

Reports out of Naples indicate that flooded EV's are literally time bombs. and some have already caught fire.

Fresh water is not very conducive but salt water conducts electricity very well. Salt is soluble in water and divides into sodium ions which are positively charged, and chloride ions, which are negatively charged.

All sources of electricity, like batteries, have two terminals, a positive and a negative.

SO:

Batteries saturated in salt water, (even if somewhat dry), have this conducive material spreading the current, which sparks, and then catches adjacent material on fire.

Mark,

What is the view on this in storm ravaged Naples??

In the news: https://nypost.com/2022/10/06/electr...hurricane-ian/

----Yeah,,,Whats the cure for this???....Bill S

Well, it's kind of a strange situation in Naples now. Most of what is west of Route 41 (Tamiami Trail - named because it goes from Tampa to Miami, just FYI, and which is predominantly a 4/5 lane road that has businesses on both sides nearly the entire length that generally ranges from a 1/2 mile to a few miles from the beach in the section from Tampa to Naples, where it turns east across the Everglades to Miami) has been either destroyed or at least suffered severe flooding from Naples to Punta Gorda. And while most of those areas are devastated, the rest of Naples got away scot-free from any kind of damage or affects at all from Ian. I think there is a lot of a kind of "survivor guilt" by the sections of the community that went unscathed.

Now, regarding the EV situation, I've only seen one video of an electric car that caught fire and it looked like they were, indeed, having to take a lot more time and water to put it out. Fox News is actually having a story on this exact topic in a few minutes, so I guess it's an issue.

Stop producing Electric Cars?

Bill

----Bingo!

Here's a local Naples story about EVs and the flood waters:

https://wsvn.com/news/local/florida/...n-wake-of-ian/

$1.6 million in electric cars burn after Hurricane Sandy

Nov. 1, 2012

https://www.chron.com/cars/article/1...er-4000001.php

Almost 10 years ago. This is nothing new and it definitely hasn't stopped the promotion and production of EVs. EVs have become a political issue. To think any less is to ignore what is happening all over the world - GO GREEN.

More Hummer EV news:

https://www.thedrive.com/news/gmc-hu...ace-plus-labor

----Humbug!!!.....Bill S

Looks like gM found the problem... "At present, gM is aware of three confirmed reports of water entering improperly sealed battery packs in the GMC Hummer EV. In two of these cases, the vehicles affected would not start, while in the third case, the vehicle lost propulsion while driving. The loss of propulsion while driving may increase the risk of a crash"

RECALL DETAILS HERE:

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2022/10...-pack-sealing/

Mary said that following the Cobalt ignition switch cover up that She would work to change the corporate culture...Like any big organization that's easier said than done.

For those of you with 5.3's that burn oil..... you likely were aware of this:

https://www.gmenginelitigation.com/

A $102.6 MILLION dollar verdict was returned after the Plaintiff's produced emails that showed that gM was aware of the problem said it was fixed, and conspired to cover the defect up internally.

In 2010, gM recommended to its dealers that they clean the pistons of the vehicles in question. That solution was ineffective and company engineers and other employees recommended that the piston ring design be changed. gM made other ineffective engine design changes in 2011, but the oil consumption issues persisted until gM finally discontinued production of the engine following the 2014 model year.

The verdict was returned after in only one day's deliberation and as expected is now under appeal by gM

The jury found that gM violated the breach of implied warranty of merchantability to California plaintiffs, the breach of implied warranty of merchantability to North Carolina vehicle owners, and breached the provisions of the Idaho Consumer Protection Act

38,000 members of the class--each person will only get $2,700 to cover repairs.

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2022/10...umption-trial/

https://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...ective-Engines

The real damage here is to gM's reputation. It is astonishing that gM let this issue even go to trial in the first place.

Derelict ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiWAajyCtJY

More bad news: gM has announced it will suspend advertising on Twitter.

gM appears to be solidly entering the social/political arena (on one side) with this move.

No links no stories no partisan views in this post.

I do have an informed opinion here: There is no upside here only downside for gM in taking this action. I thought gM was in the business of selling cars?

Not political,but most likely due to Elon Musk taking over ownership of Twitter,as GM is taking on Tesla in terms of market share.GM believes they can catch Tesla in the U.S. EV market by mid-decade,by offering more models at more price points than the current leader.

Agreed. But the current atmosphere is so sour that GM's actions here are sure be used to portray GM as "anti free speech" as the twitter take over is being used to reverse the censorship actions taken there over the past two years or so.

Attacking Musk's other business interests is NOT the same as attacking Tesla.

gM needs to focus on selling cars to all people and avoid political issues at all cost or we risk not having gM around... just saying.:beers:

THE HITS just keep on coming.....

"GM has told a federal judge that it is unable to comply with a recently updated right-to-repair law in Massachusetts as the law poses a safety and cybersecurity risk, sets an impossible timeline for compliance, and conflicts with a number of federal laws".


For those who may have missed it, Massachusetts voters voiced overwhelming approval in November of 2020 in support of a ballot measure updating the state's so-called right to repair law.

The law expands access to data related to vehicle maintenance and repair, and would require automakers give owners and independent repair shops access to real-time mechanical data and telematics

Today's gM GM has done everything possible to limit or eliminate owners access to the “black box” that stores telemetry data on vehicles people own.

Interestingly enough however, telemetry data seems to be quickly provided to law enforcement -- but owners seem to have no control over it.... .


Link: https://gmauthority.com/blog/2022/10...to-repair-law/

As a tangent, I saw this at the last swap meet...

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Derelict ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMOBECkR5lk

https://i.postimg.cc/HLBHWxjM/0.jpg

Here’s How BYD’s Blade Battery Is Superior To Lithium-Ion Packs In Most EVs

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news...9dfa3d#image=1

"General Motors will miss its previously announced EV production targets by at least six months, CEO Mary Barra said during a conference call with investors".


https://www.thedetroitbureau.com/202...lls-investors/

The goal posts have been officially moved.

gM has announced revised plans to introduce 30 all-electric models by 2025.

Let the watch party begin!:youguysrock: