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Marlin,

After reviewing my '70 Chassis Assembly Manual, I realize I need a "water temperature switch" to complete my TCS system. I thot the extra wire/connector in my Nova wire harness on the passenger side of the engine bay was for the factory temperature idiot lite (or gauge as appropriate) in the cockpit (I am runnig aftermarket vintage SW gauges including a water temp gauge). It is a green wire with the "L" shaped/ 2-prong connector. I need a source for the Temp Sending Unit that it correct for this application . I believe the sending unit goes on the pass. side of the block between the two rear most spark plugs (using Charley's '70 Z28 website as a reference).

Thanks,

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One word.. Awesome! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif

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You do indeed need a two pronged temp unit, one prong for the idiot light the other for the TCS system. This unit is installed in the driver's side head, and on cars equipped with gauges the temp sending unit is installed in the passenger side head. The two pronged unit is still available from GM I believe, somebody has the part number....

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Marlin,

There is only one (green) wire going to the 2-spaded connector for this temperature SWITCH (in retrospect, I do not think it is a sender, but rather a switch). My understanding is that there is a jumper wire between the two female connections of the harness and that once the temp gets to a prescribed level the connection is completed and sends a signal to the TCS switch. Chuck Sharin found this thread over at NastyZ28.

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Misc pics of Jack Seymour Hugger Orange Survivor......

A couple of pics showing SINGLE green wire going to the two pronged TCS temp sender in right head.

On the Z-28 with gauges the drivers/left head has water temp gauge sender.......

Hope Im correct here......



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...70Z28/Eng2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...70Z28/Eng4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...70Z28/Eng8.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0Z28/Eng11.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0Z28/Eng12.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0Z28/Eng14.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...r70Z28/TCS.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...70Z28/TCS2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...70Z28/TCS3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...TempSender.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ewallRight.jpg

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Good info Chuck. Now of course I have to ask the Deuce experts if the various clips in the photos above were also used on Deuces. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif

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Recheck the pics I sent you of the TCS on the gutter. If you notice, the green wire is wadded up, rerouted through the gutter a ways, then junctions up to another single green wire that goes to the drivers side head if, as Marlin said, you have the idiot light setup. The car did have that setup from new, but Earl changed that as thats where the sending unit is now for the SW gauges. There should be a plug on the pass side that will need to be replaced with a TCS sending unit, and connected to the green wire that is supplied with the new harness. It is only for the TCS, not the idiot light.
In the day, we didn't bother messing with reconnecting the TCS after putting in the gauges. Damn thing kept the secondaries from opening as quick as we wanted. Smog stuff took horsepower. It needed to leave. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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Gotcha Schonye. I see now that this is the wire clip for the TCS solenoid switch harness. Thanks.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...d/100_1332.jpg

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Sam,
The two bladed switch is available from ground up..

http://www.ss396.com/mm5/merchant.mv...t_Code=GAC-660

The correct temp sending unit with the threaded stud is from www.lectriclimited.com

Hope this helps and good luck.

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The two blade plug could indeed have a loop connection, haven't looked at it in a few years https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif Either way, ya gotta get the sending unit with the two spades! I don't recall ever seeing those wire clips on any deuces b4.... Not the first time the deuce version of the CTB/CTC was different than the Z28's.

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Thanks for the info on the TCS temp switch Jack. I'll check it out.

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Sam, Marlin and all, Never was my intent to imply the duece used that little clip thing to hold green wire.

I just posted misc pics of Jack's LT-1 to show the two prong switch and green wire, etc etc

Seems to me that Marlin set us all straight on that several years ago.

I would think that with Jack's vendor info, the above pictures, and the misc nastyz28 threads, that Sam would have this issue under control.

best regards to all,

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Can someone tell me if the original style TCS Temp Sensor is larger than the new replacements? The threads are the same but the connector and nut are physically larger. Also, the originals are silver rather than bronze?? Help? I have one which I believe to be NOS but need some to justify.. Thanks!

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Schonye sent me some photos of his original survivor SY Deuce (color of this lil fellow ==&gt; https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif) and showed this Deuce-nube how the TCS wire for the TCS block switch is actually routed from the passenger side back over to the driver's side. It was plugged into a factory extension wire (L-shaped connector) to get it over to the block hole between the front 2 plugs on the driver's side. As Marlin mentioned this plug was both for the TCS system AND the idiot light in the dash. I can post pix later tonite when I get home. It kind of surprises me that this is yet another Deuce LT1 difference from a Z28 LT1 (wonder what 'vette LT1 did https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif?). The sender/switch hole on the driver's side (betw 1st two cylinders) is encumbered on my Deuce (as is Schonye's) to accomodate my aftermarket (SW) water temp gauge sender that the Roof's installed.

So, FWIW, I will set up my TCS block switch the same way as the Z boys do (passenger side), due to my aftermarket gauge configuration.

Always an education https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif !!

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Another of the projects I asked Schonye to leave for me was seat belt restoration. All sixteen belts are present in the car and are in nice shape with tags ranging from 17th, 19th, and 20th week of 1970. All the belts needed a good washing and the front belts needed to be redyed (sun fade). Buckle covers had standard scratches and gouges you would expect for an 18,000 mile car...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...s/DSC_0053.jpg

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The "GM" button decals were all in excellent condition. The metal buckles just needed a good cleaning up and they were good as new. As far as the plastic buckle covers, I took Ed's (Enio45) advice https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif and I started with 1500 grit wet sanding and finished with 2000. I inverted my buffer with wool pad on my vise and used water and 3M Finesse to buff out the buckle covers. This process took about 4 passes (ensuring the pad remains moist) to bring it to this shine...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...s/DSC_0003.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...s/DSC_0020.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...s/DSC_0050.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...s/DSC_0051.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...s/DSC_0054.jpg

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Looks great! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif

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Sam, please send me your address so I can send all my old seat belts to you https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif how fast can you turn them around https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

Nice work https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Those buckles look fantastic, Sam. I need to do the ones on my 442. Great advice there.

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Sam...your hired... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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Thanks guys.

Sure Mr. Mike, but YOU were my inspiration (Grady's '69 Nova) https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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And along with the satisfaction of doing it yourself, you saved about 600+ Ssnake-0yl dollars. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif

They look great Sam. Nice work. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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Yeah Dennis - you hit the nail on the head. S.O. does great work, but I used their rates for a set of belts to motivate my sorry a**! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Maybe you can bring your equipment and show off your technique out at the Pavillions some weekend. You could make a little spare change on the side each weekend. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Maybe you can bring your equipment and show off your technique out at the Pavillions some weekend. You could make a little spare change on the side each weekend. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Sam tends to show off some "other" talents when he goes to Pavillions.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/blush.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

Tom...let us know the next time you make it out to Pavillions...we can meet up! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Nice job on the belts Sam. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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One word...schhweeeeng.
I just opened this thread at work Sam, the pictures didn't show upon the Gov. computer, so I went home. Spent 40 minutes of my lunch break reading this thread. Thanks for sharing.
Awesome car. Have fun with it.

john

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Sam's "other talents" I'm not sure I would call that a talent!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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Thanks John - bet you're having a nice German spring about now. Hoist one at Vesuvio's for me.

Kim - all I can say is - talent is in the eye of the beholder and further... Bruce is a man of good taste! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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True, True. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif

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Couple of folks have asked how to separate the plastic buckle cover from the metal section. I figured this out by trial and error and gubered only one sacrificial "lamb". https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif

<font color="blue">Tools and buckle placement. In addition to the larger straight slot screwdriver, I used two putty knifes (you can use whatever is as thin as possible, but still rigid):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...s/P1120208.jpg

Place the corner of a putty knife into the gap as shown in below photos and work the blade down into the gap. This will bow out the plastic side of the buckle cover and release a plastic wedge (molded into inside surface of the plastic buckle cover side) from its seated position in the metal portion of the buckle. You have to press the blade down into the gap with a fair amount of force while wiggling it a bit.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...s/P1120211.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...s/P1120214.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...s/P1120217.jpg

Do the same with the 2nd putty knife on the other side:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...s/P1120219.jpg

Insert your straight blade screw driver into the female opening (easy Verne, Colin, Bruce, etc https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif) and twist it to separate the plastic cover from the metal buckle:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...s/P1120222.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...s/P1120224.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...s/P1120228.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...s/P1120229.jpg

Here you can see the small wedge shaped nub that seats in an opening on the side of the metal portion of the buckle when the two pieces are pressed together. This is what you are unseating when you insert the putty blade. When putting the buckle back together fit the plastic cover to the metal buckle first at the end opposite of where the metal belt spade inserts to the buckle. Then you can pivot the plastic cover down and snap it into position: </font>
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...s/P1120237.jpg

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Took the day "off" to do yard work and car work. All belts and hardware have been restored/replated and are ready to be put back in the Nova:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...s/P1120244.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...s/P1120183.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...s/P1120194.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...s/P1120205.jpg

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Very nice Sam... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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I agree...also a very nice display photo as well (all in a circle) https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Fantastic!

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Nice stuff Sam. Now you have another request... post photos of your garage please. I am in the process of planning a new floor (paint, UcoatIt, LockTile, etc) and would like to see your set up.

Thanks,
Dan

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Sam, you can comb your hair in those buckles...nice job.

wilma https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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nice work....how much yard work did you get done? :-)

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Nice pictures, really nice. How much yard work were you thinking about while you did this cute display?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...s/P1120194.jpg


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We are all proud of ya! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif