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Berger,
Can I ask a question please, I thinks it is great that the numbers point towards it being a Real car,

but I dont understand where there is no concern that it has the wrong Vin tag and Cowl tag on the car??? Unless I misunderstood how the posts went??? someone changed those for a reason and I doubt it was because they had paperwork on two cars and felt the need, Next question so if it is a stolen car from many moons ago, who is the real owner of the car?? the Bank, Ins Co., Former owner that lost it or you.

How does one go about clearing up the tags without loseing the car to local law enforcement???.

Bud.

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First off you had better check the NCIC records for stolen for a start. I would also check each nearby states stolen list and if it is then that car doesn't belong to you... Period.... !!!! Sorry but it is just that simple. You may try to find out who the person that it was stolen from and if they received money from a Insurance Co. and if that is the case you might have a chance of purchacing it from the Insurance Co. They are not hard to work with! Remember $$$$ Talks... Other wise you could loose it two years from now when it is at a car show and the feds walkin and take it as a stolen car or altered Vin. You loose everything you did to it --- PERIOD...!!! If I were you I would recomend that you do your research first before you ever start to spend much $$$ on it.

Years ago, I had a '61 315 hp big gas tank SCCA vette that i sold ('66) and the guy later stripped it of the injector and such and put it in a strip pit somewhere. The worse part is he won't tell me where. It now belongs to some Insurance Co. but he still won't tell me where it went. Boy do I wish I had never got rid of that one. I got a bad case of 396 fever and traded it to him for a 66 SS396 supersport chevelle. Stupidest thing I think I ever did back then. But if I could find it I would have to be very careful as the Insurance co. could come in and claim it after it was all fixed up again and not have to repay me for all my work.

The point that I am trying to make is be very carefull if the Vin tag is off some other car as that is a Federal crime for you to do anything with it..!!!! even if it is the wrong one. In fact it could cause you some trouble just for having it in your possession with the wrong vin plate or one that is altered and not notify the proper authorities.

If they find out, you can loose that car very easy to the feds or some insurance co. Also the original owner that it was stolen from if no insurance co paid off on it may still be the righfull owner and you could loose it two or three years from now and you will loose everything ($$$) you put in it.

Trust me that happened to me on a '69 Z-28 and a '65 Vette in the past. They will walk in and take it from you.... PERIOD...!!!! If you protest you will go too..!!!!

You also have a real problem with it since the original Vin is missing you will not be allowed to reproduce it back to original - legally. Then it will have a state assigned # plate which has no resemblense to the original # and that will kill some of the higher value that the car has.

I just wanted to share some of the things I have ran into over the years with collector vettes that I have bought innocentely when I had a car lot. In fact you could go to jail for hiding it and not reporting it.

So Please be carefull .... I am not so sure that you should post too much on it in a public forum till you find out if you are the rightfull owner... ?? You may be innocent of anything to do with the cars past but you just never know. No mater what? I want to wish you "Good Luck" with it and trust me I am jealious....

Wish it was mine.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif Camaro's are my second love next to a Vette. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

Feel free to call me if you want to chat more about this.

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Mr Berger, mighty quiet, are ya locked up on the Rock??? do we need to send James Bond to bust ya out????.

Bud.

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All vins on car came back clean in national registry database, Car is clean, they must of beat the bag out of it for 13 yrs and blew her up, then parted her out, I bought her as parts for my 327 coupe resto, whew!!!!!!!! Just got confimation 5 mins ago, so sorry , do you like apples? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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WELL HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM APPLES! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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Great I will call Bond and tell him you are just fine, glad to here it came back clean, still dont understand why someone went to the trouble to trade tags around??? I dont know who your source was but I would make darn sure its clean before selling or restoring it.

Bud.

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Would like to thank all in ID'n this ghost, got alot of accurate and quick info from alot of different sources, thanks to Matt Murphy, Joe C, Marlin , Copo, Chvy454, Mr.t (way to hang in for those pics), Charlie L, Hawaii , and any I may have missed, VINS clean thru registry check(family friend) https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif Looks like she was unclaimed and sold at police auction in 80, probably insured, bounced around collecting dust since we dug her up out of the grave, Hope I can lean on you guys for more great advice in restoring her, we'll keep you posted and continue to send pics, will probably have to go to Yenko forum I guess, YS 722, SWEET. Thanks again

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Mr T.. Send me those pics and I'll get them up here. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif

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Ed,

I sent you an e-mail containing pictures of Matt's (bergers) 67 Camaro.

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Just as long as you are sure that the clean bill of health came throught a real policeman that used the NCIC crime database you should be safe. You do understand that you still have a big problem don't you? You do not have the original vin number plate. There is a federal law that you are in big trouble if you remove the vin off a car and put it on another. I sure hope you ran both Vin's. You didn't hear this from me but if there are someone out there that is making a real good copy of the factory vin # then you just might want to explore trying to get the proper one or one that looks good enough to fool someone in law enforcment into thinking it is the original Vin plate. Just remember that the NCIC may not have been working back when this car may have been first stolen and I would do a manual search of any states old records that may predate the NCIC or you may regrette it. There has got to be a "REASON" why the vin # is missing and has one from another car on it.

What ever state that the records you were refering about is a good place to start. You don't want someone that used to own the car to come up and claim it out from under you. If it was ever stolen befor the NCIC came into use and it didnot get updated to those files that person still has legal right to that car and all your hard work. Be totally sure of any of your sources that you are relying on and be sure to get it in writing and keep it in a file on the car and never throw it away no mater how many years later it is.