the auctions could care less,including the great b-j,this car was brought to their attention by previous owner and they totally blew it off.when proof was presented to them they said the vice president(the moron who wears sunglasses inside maybe?)would be in touch,years later no such contact
https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...-HARDTOP-39824

He wears the sunglasses because of a eye condition and is a nice guy.

could be but still no call from him or anyone else at b-j

I always figured they didn't want to be drawn into the many lawsuits that would fly about fake cars.

Interesting article from August 2016 ...

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Medi...t-z28-camaros/

So the question ya gotta ask yourself is..... " Do you feel lucky today?" " Well do ya?"

All kidding aside, people do still need to ask themselves.... is seeing a car that was verified or listed as real or in a registry.... enough to just pull the trigger without investigating further ??

For me, I would still do my own due dilligence and the ask the people I trust to look at the docs and stampings and tags. That's just me

I hear ya Roy, and I'm not in total disagreement with you. I'm friends with one of the experts and I've heard some horror stories. My point was/is that the cars that are inspected and deemed "illegitimate" aren't announced as clones/fake/tribute, or whatever the latest term is when they are offered (the majority of the time). I've heard the word "undocumented" thrown around lately, and in my opinion, that is nothing more than a build that was intended to deceive. IF a car is "genuinely undocumented" there would/could/should be enough tell-tale signs for an expert of the marque to determine the veracity of said vehicle. The fake P-O-P is nothing new. Many years ago I bought a CE 512 block for an LS-6 from a fellow (no names) that had a P-O-P machine in his dining room complete with original GM tape and blanks. This was back in the mid '90s, so like I said, faking docs isn't new. At that time, the going rate for a "Genuine GM" P-O-P was $275. Technically, they WERE Genuine GM, they just weren't ORIGINAL. The whole thing STINKS if you ask me.

And as long as we keep patronizing these fake paper makers they will continue to prosper and the problem deepen. If some of these people were truly making some of these documents and the cars for show only or for their own enjoyment they would make such paperwork and/or cars VIN's made public but so far no one is willing to do that. In some states you as a builder who sells a car to a customer with full disclosure but that person sells it as real can still be held accountable so they need to be very careful.

I have purchased a lot of material over the years such as POP machines, tape, stamps, dealer invoice books, etc, etc for the sole purpose of getting such items off the streets. Very expensive to purchase but at least they are not on the street being used fraudulently. They are now on display in our showroom showcases.

An interesting thread...buffoonery abounds...

It just isn't cars guys routinely fake for profit. I also have an interest in WW2 US/German firearms, especially USMC sniper rifles.

I own one of the top real examples of what most collectors call an USMC Unertl sniper and have turned down in excess of $45k for it. A group of us who belong to a secret squirrel FB group, realized the number of fake rifles FAR exceeded the number of original ones. As a result I created a registry to track serial numbers and serve as a record.

I mention this as originally the registry was only about real rifles...ones we could prove were righteous. However after talking about it and noting guys were selling fakes for half or more of the value (a lot of money regardless)...we now track ANY serial we see reporting to be an Unertl sniper.

It still hasn't stopped some guys from spending stupid money (1 guy bought 2 obvious fakes for almost 75k total...with different transactions....and knew how to ask questions BEFORE buying...but got caught up in auction BS...lol)..

Tracking all reported (real and fakes) has allowed us to have a historical database we can reference, supplied some interesting quantitative data and actually saved a couple of guys from getting burned...

Something to consider in the future.

The problem is with pop plates that some individuals(( we know who they are)) have nos booklets and the pop machines along with nos tape. You cannot tell their fakes without a serious investigation of past owners and addresses.