I like talking about cars with folks like yourself but some of you really are just misguided and uninformed about electricity generation, EVs, the modern auto sector etc.

I work in the power sector and on occasion the auto sector. Well right now I'm working in the auto sector as one of my projects. I'm talking to a lot of tier 1 leadership folks. This EV revolution will take a long time to get to over 50%.

Charlie I agree my Tesla plaid is insane! Crushes all my other stuff except my dedicated turbocharged drag car, at 1020 HP this was my cost at the pump , umm charger. ��


My buddy said my wife’s Kia is comparable to that I said is your wife’s Kia 1000 HP and runs 10 flat as an SUV?

Such a great song! Saw them perform it a few times!!

Yessir....but most of us just want to separate the push of evs and suppression and taxation on ice vehicles from the political lies. This thread has avoided direct politics, and I'm certainly respectful of that, but much like other major events in the recent past, get the discussion out there on center stage from all points of view, shake it out, and inform and let us decide. Anything less is going to get extreme pushback.

It was incremental. The main target in the 60's was to make cars highly regulated and thus more expensive to reduce consumption.

The book "unsafe at any speed" and the coordinated media pile on was a direct attack on GM's overwhelming market share, all while ignoring the other cars that had the exact same risk as the Corvair.

They started going after Tetraethyl lead in the late 30's and finally got the scalp through regulation in the early 1970's. We got the Malaise era and a 55 MPH national speed limit in exchange while multiple FAKE energy crisis's were played up in the media... "running out of oil"..."Peak oil".. All BS, while the population was treated to video loops of lines stretching around the block for a couple of gallons of gas... THEN the simultaneous push for the adoption/acceptance of mass transit.

The media next attacked the PINTO and then went after the Silverado's side saddle tanks setting up a rigged test to cause an explosion.

The theory: The more we regulate the more expensive the vehicle will become the less of them will be on the road.... .

Of course the banking market replied with ever increasing auto loan repayment durations.

What we are about to experience is way different. If we fail to resist this now on multiple levels within a generation all cars both ICE and EV will be restricted as to who can own/operate.

The key to compliance is a Central Digital Currency they get that and you just walked into a form of slavery for which there is a slim margin for any return.

I'm for cutting out Opec, dealership repair costs, (Edison) solar energy...

The question I have: will gas prices go up or down when 50% of cars on the road are electric?

That's definitely a step in the right direction: One single charging standard.

11 is a reorganization. 7 is a liquidation

I’m all for electrics but there’s not much room for all the manufacturers we have making them. Tesla is KING of EVs And there’s no way for everyone to get a EVs on the grid just not gonna be able to happen.

Nor should it people should have choices , people should be able to buy and use what they want.

On the note of politics idk why people can’t talk politics that’s just foolish it is involved in every single part of your life. There’s really NOTHING that touches every part of your life other than politics. Censorship annoys the hell out of me . ( remember when people could have spirited debates? Sometimes people even changed their mind on things)


That being said , EVs are run on a number of things and it isn’t electricity ⚡️ it’s coal, it’s the sun (pretty much it’s harnessing the energy of a nuclear blast ) , it’s natural gas, it’s in some cases a diesel generator at times or nuclear fission.

We have .004 carbon in the atmosphere up from .003 . At .002 plants die. It’s a real big issue, That’s why they fly private jets all over the place . Anyone ever seen what a private jet burns for fuel? It’s ain’t green.

Ever seen how rare earth minerals are mined? It ain’t green. Uyghers in China? Not exactly well paid labor? There’s lots wrong with EVs

But they are an amazing car. And some day we’ll have induction charging on the highways and there will be very little reason to ever charge anywhere .
Some day maybe it will be viable for all, but for right now there’s too many issues to take over and not screw up the grid .
Not to mention no one should have anything forced on them I’m a form believer of this…I shouldn’t force my will on you and you shouldn’t on me. Maybe I can plead my case for something but if you choose not to buy into it. Oh well .

This is a good thread and it’s good that people discuss in an uncensored state free to make honest. Points for or against. . There’s nothing wrong with that, But people, Also need to learn to be civil w each other and not EXPECT everyone to have to do as we do or say.
. Debate is good. Information is good, you don’t have to listen to it.
Just my .02 and it’s probably worth .01 �� let’s not take it too seriously, I don’t.

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