Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

How about this-- the name given for the seller was Sal Milazzo with a hometown of Elizabeth, NJ. Ironically, there is only one person by that name in Elizabeth, NJ. Now, the name could be fake.....how about if someone who has talked to this knucklehead calls the number given in Google for the person and see if the voice matches?

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

here's some thing to brighten up a day

A man was driving down a country road in the middle of dairy farm country when his car stalled inexplicably. He got out and raised the hood to see if he could find out what had happened. A brown and white cow slowly lumbered from the field she had been grazing in over to the car and stuck her head under the hood beside the man. After a moment the cow looked at the man and said, "Looks like a bad carbuerator to me." Then she walked back into the field and began grazing again.
Amazed, the man walked back to the farmhouse he had just passed, where he met a farmer. "Hey, mister, is that your cow in the field?" he asked. The farmer replied, "The brown and white one? Yep, that's old Bessie." The man then said, "Well my car's broken down, and she just said, 'Looks like a bad carbuerator to me.'" The farmer shook his head and said, "Don't mind old Bessie, son. She don't know a thing about cars."

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

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Kim, Sorry cant do that. They will be named in the LAWSUIT.. Sean

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You gotta be kidding me....you can't find the "seller" to buy the car, but you are going to find him to testify that some guys from the internet screwed up your deal ??!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif Good Luck https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

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I say the big $$$ buyer shows up at the house to pick up the car and it turns out to be a Naldwin-Botion car. (As may may recall, this was the dealership down the street from Baldwin Motion that would take the big blocks out of hipo cars in the late 70's and install six cylinders and then sell the original motors for scrap) https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Wow, I don't read the site for a couple of days and it gets Uber-Nutty around here!

But even after reading through the whole thread, I'm still laughing my ass of at Steve's Post...just hit me right I guess https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

I'm going to check the batteries in my carbon dioxide detector now.

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

For what it worth in today's Asbury Park Press Wed. 22nd the car is stated as SOLD.

George

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

The Press will have a billing name and address for the person who placed the ad.

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

This is the type of situation that makes me concerned about sharing what I have with others. No wonder that it seems as if many owners of these rare cars remain in hiding especially in these times when the muscle car market has really taken off. I don't blame those who want to remain private about thier rides, I wouldn't want to be surrounded by sharks trying to get my ride just to turn it around for a profit. It is unfortunate for those involved that experienced some type of negative situation from this scam and is a lesson for all of us to be more cautious of those types of scams.

If anyone is wondering, no my car is not for sale, I'll just keep it in my garage and drive it at 3 o'clock in the morning. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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69 427SS BM Nova

Well, if it's not for sale...Can I have it? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

Fair enough! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

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I don't blame those who want to remain private about thier rides, I wouldn't want to be surrounded by sharks trying to get my ride just to turn it around for a profit.

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Everything negative in this thread revolves around "flipping a car" or making a profit. So, I think it important to define a couple of things for future reference so everyone can be on the same page.

1) How long must one keep a car after a purchase to not be considered "flipping"?

2) Are there acceptable circumstances where a person can "flip" a car in order to not take heat from those who do not "flip" cars?

3) What is an acceptable ceiling of profit which can be made off a car to not be scorned (a percentage will do)?

4) Is it accepted that if we are not to purchase cars to "turn a profit", would it then stand to reason that we should never purchase a car below its current value (ie.-Seller is looking for $12,000 for a car we know to be worth $85,000. We should therefore offer Seller A $85,000 because that is the value and, after all, we aren't trying to come out ahead)?

When I was a kid, the way to get a nice car went as follows.
1) Buy a heap, fix it up and sell it for a profit to buy a nicer car.

2) Buy a nicer car, and repeat step 1.

3) Repeat step 2.

4) Repeat all steps until desired car is within price range.

Obviously when someone "flips" a car there is a buyer who is willing to pay the cost of the car, so there is a happy buyer. The seller makes some extra money to use for whatever purposes he/she has need for, so there is a happy seller. Who gets hurt in this again? Not the car....it doesn't really care who owns it (remember, it is steel and has no soul). Not the buyer, they purchased a car for what they thought was fair (or they wouldn't have bought it). Not the seller, because the extra money allows for something else to be purchased/saved/invested/whatever.

So, "flipping" a car may be the only way that an average guy, like myself, could ever own one of these cars that many of you have owned 10 or more of (hmmmm......how many were "flipped"?). If that is the wrong way to go about earning enough disposable income to obtain one of these dream cars, then I guess it could be surmised that it is wrong for a guy like me to own one.

I just want to be clear on this, I am sure the torching will now commence.

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

Phil, you make some great points and that's the beauty of a capitalistic society. If a deal is consummated, then both buyer and seller have to agree and frankly that's all that should matter. If not, then someone needs to go back and answer your questions to get the point. That is exactly how fortunes are often made in America, whether it is real estate, stocks, art, cars, etc.

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

But, I am constantly reading about how all of this buying/selling is hurting the hobby. I don't really see it. I am not trying to raise everyone's dander....I just honestly want to understand. I want to know if I were to find myself in a place where I could begin this process to get to the 68 Yenko I so badly want, will people view me negatively when I achieve my end goal? Will my dream purchase of Goldberg's Yenko be looked at negatively because of how I achieved that goal?

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

I don't see anything wrong with buying a car that you know you can "flip" at a profit. Say I look in the local sales paper and see a 69 Chevelle SS listed for $10,000. I go look at the car and see that it is a nice car that I can resell for $20,000. I will buy that car and resell it. Obviously the seller is happy because he got what he wanted for the car. I am happy because I can make some extra money. The person I sell it to is happy or he wouldn't have bought the car. It this not what the classic and muscle car dealers are doing? They will not buy a car if they know they can't profit from the deal.
James

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

Three for, none against. I am keeping score.

BTW- if no one out there has ever "flipped" a car I'd like to hear from you. I can say I haven't, except for a 78 Datsun B2000. Made $300 on that jewell.

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

I think the reason people say flipping a car is ruinning the hobby is because all the flipping runs the price up. But I don't think it's really the flipping that runs the prices up as much as the prospect of flipping for a profit. That leads to everyone jumping on the original parts and running those prices up. It's not as much about flipping as it is about how one goes about "acquiring" the car to be flipped. That's where it gets cut-throat. Personally, I have never made any money on any car or truck I've had(at least 25-30 vehicles) but I did make $200 on an old Boston Whaler after using it for 4 years!

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

But, I don't understand how "flipping" a car runs the price up. The value of something is determined by the marketplace. The car is still worth what someone is willing to pay, this is not determined by how many people own it or how long an owner has it. What runs the price up is the prices buyers are willing to pay. So, therefore, a prime suspect for blame would be the buyers at BJ. But, not only do we not get angry with them.....we have live reports from our friends letting us know how crazy the prices are. We have just heard that a new world record price for a Deuce has been set. Is not the buyer single-handedly responsible for increasing the cost of all Deuces sold from this point forward? Now, I am not attacking anyone personally (I don't even know who bought it)-- just making a point.

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

Take for example this 1970 BM Nova(if it was real). Say that a true enthusiast bought it for $25K and put $50K into restoring it. They have a $75K car but no interest in selling it. So a BM Nova is worth $75-100K. But if a flipper grabs it for $25K and flips it right away for $50K. Then the next guy puts $50K into it and flips it for $150K. The next guy bought it with the intent that it will be worth $200K in a year and he sells it for that. But you can't really use that example very well. Musclecars have become an investment just like real estate. So there will always be a flipper(investor) looking to purchase and would be willing to outpay the enthusiast. There are people that make a living restoring cars and flipping them, that's what their business is and there's nothing wrong with that. But today, there seems to be many types of buyers with different reasons for buying and therefore different price ranges as well. One way to look at is if these cars did not go up in value, nobody would be restoring them the right way because it would be a losing proposition. I just say blame it on the Hemi Cuda conv guys. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

Barrett-Jackson is the real problem here! Dealers are to blame also for going on fishing expeditions with astronomical price tags looking for that big fish and boy if they get one guy lookout because every other car like it just went up. All i here now after one of these auctions are "BOY WHATS MINE WORTH NOW?" Im sick of it to be honest. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I swear I just heard satellites repositioning !!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

Let's get back to square one........Was this a real deal or someone's idea of a sick joke......

Ken https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

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lat.-34 degrees 06.52N
long.-117 degeees 49.56W
It's a lock.....First SYC Swat team in...............

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

<Crickets chirping>
Seems awfully quiet in here......
Would there be better response if I start a new thread?

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

How 'bout--"Last Chance 427 Baldwin Motion Nova for Sale"...

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racefan, i guess i would side with the "anti-flippers" on this one. making a profit on a car doesn't bother me. (in my eyes) the thing that makes me look at this situation differently is that a "flipper" doesn't have his heart and soul into the car that he is "flipping". i have owned my Road Runner for 11 years and my SC for 3 now. i never desired the Road Runner but now it defines me. now i wouldn't even trade it straight up for my dream car (69 yenko Nova). i'm guessing "flippers" are willing to trade THAT car for there dream car. people i know who look at "flippers" kind of have that same opinion as me. there car defines them and they wouldn't even trade it for there dream car. one week there cuda is at the car show next to your cuda and there talking about how this car is "everything they ever wanted" and 2 months later there in a chevelle and you ask, "wheres the cuda", they reply, "i got bored with it". and no, i have never sold a car and made money.
JMO
69hurstSC

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

I agree with you SC. I feel as you do personally. I have not done the "trading up" thing because I have a problem with attachment to material things. Now, my brother feels totally different. His philosophy is "yea, I like it alot--but everything I have is for sale".

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

boys it's all about ethics...they will only bring what the market will bear whether it be slinkys or cars...bottom line when you sell disclose all the good and bad and life just works smooth...problem is when you pass off a tird at a nice car price...

I have done my fair share of selling and fact is I would not have what I have if I just went to work everyday and came home and tried to make do with what the check brought into the household...

most people I have met personally like face to face and have a problem with people reselling items are generally lazy sob's and just feel sorry for themselves or the world owes them something or something along those lines...this is a great country and if your willing to keep your head down and work you can get r done!!!

say what ya want about people that flip cars fact is everyone you come in contact with everyday is a flipper, coffee chick, gas station, your boss..if you dont like the price go down the street and go into the next store and shop around.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif like the chopper guy says "get back to work!!!"

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

People flipping cars is not going to go away. It may be their livelihood or a way to earn extra cash. There is good and bad with everything. If we don't think a car is worth what is being asked for it..we just don't buy it.

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

I have to say i am not a fan of flipping, but i am a fan of capitalism..........
Have not sold a car for profit yet.........
I buy em cause i love them and LOVE TO DRIVE THEM! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

JOHN

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I buy em cause i love them and LOVE TO DRIVE THEM! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

JOHN

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this is what it should be all about !!! well put john

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I don't have a problem with someone selling something for more then they paid for it,but I do when they won't admit that is their sole reason for acquiring said object in the first place,and want to use someone to get it by acting like a close friend and take advantage of them.
I have seen dozens of people approach me & others,asking for help or details in identifying that "special part" or finding that "special vehicle" they always wanted,...(Funny I never heard them say that was their dream car before..or show any interest in that before the B/J auction results came out)..saying something like they want to wrench on it with their son as their wife serves them Lemonade in their driveway on a Sunday afternoon...Only to see them front and center at some auction or website classifieds soon afterwards,asking at least 10K + or more then they just paid.When I confront them,feeling they used me or anyone else for that matter,they merely studder saying that had no idea how much maintenance was required,or they just couldn't keep interested in it so they're asking for much more then they have in it,hoping to get it and then never to be heard from again.
Just plain greed in my book.
I screen my calls now.

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

Like budnate, I've been able to enjoy this hobby and progress to more desirable cars by finding a great deal here and there, seeing the potential in the car, and restoring/fixing/improving things to bring out that potential. That's a part of the hobby that gives me great enjoyment. I've been able to justify the "flipping" in my own mind by doing the car justice on some level and not doing things "quickie." I think if someone invests time and/or money in a car to improve it, then "flipping" it isn't such a bad thing. Its when the greed factor creeps in and people shortcut things, hide flaws, or flat-out misrepresent a car that I have a real problem.

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I don't have a problem with someone selling something for more then they paid for it,but I do when they won't admit that is their sole reason for acquiring said object in the first place,and want to use someone to get it by acting like a close friend and take advantage of them.
I have seen dozens of people approach me & others,asking for help or details in identifying that "special part" or finding that "special vehicle" they always wanted,...(Funny I never heard them say that was their dream car before..or show any interest in that before the B/J auction results came out)..saying something like they want to wrench on it with their son as their wife serves them Lemonade in their driveway on a Sunday afternoon...Only to see them front and center at some auction or website classifieds soon afterwards,asking at least 10K + or more then they just paid.When I confront them,feeling they used me or anyone else for that matter,they merely studder saying that had no idea how much maintenance was required,or they just couldn't keep interested in it so they're asking for much more then they have in it,hoping to get it and then never to be heard from again.
Just plain greed in my book.
I screen my calls now.

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Ditto, I don't have time for flippers, they have different priorities than I do, and I'd rather spend my time helping people acquire their passion instead of their bankroll.

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I don't have a problem with someone selling something for more then they paid for it,but I do when they won't admit that is their sole reason for acquiring said object in the first place,and want to use someone to get it by acting like a close friend and take advantage of them.
I have seen dozens of people approach me & others,asking for help or details in identifying that "special part" or finding that "special vehicle" they always wanted,...(Funny I never heard them say that was their dream car before..or show any interest in that before the B/J auction results came out)..saying something like they want to wrench on it with their son as their wife serves them Lemonade in their driveway on a Sunday afternoon...Only to see them front and center at some auction or website classifieds soon afterwards,asking at least 10K + or more then they just paid.When I confront them,feeling they used me or anyone else for that matter,they merely studder saying that had no idea how much maintenance was required,or they just couldn't keep interested in it so they're asking for much more then they have in it,hoping to get it and then never to be heard from again.
Just plain greed in my book.
I screen my calls now.

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Ditto, I don't have time for flippers, they have different priorities than I do, and I'd rather spend my time helping people acquire their passion instead of their bankroll.

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Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

No one is answering my questions.............

Marlin- if you were to help me locate/get a 68 Yenko Camaro (which I am sure you would if I were in that position), and for whatever reason I had to sell it at some point--
1) how long would it take and....


2) what amount of profit would you be comfortable with me making....or

3) what situations (just an example or two) would you find acceptable to you before you felt as though I had just done it to increase my bankroll?

THESE are the questions that need defined. Problem is, I don't think it is that easy and also your tolerance level for the three questions above will change depending on the familiarity and relationship I have with you. Right? That is human nature.

There are 20 negative responses in this thread alone reagrding the negativity to "flipping" cars. But so far, I haven't gotten any concrete indications of what really constitutes the infraction.

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

Phil, The answer to that is when you help some one find a car and he says man I will never sell this car. I have always wanted one of these cars. Then six weeks later it's for sale 7 times more than you sold to him for. That's a flipper. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

What if when he gets the car, he really believes that he will be buried in it. But, then something comes up... who knows what (maybe something comes up he'd rather have, maybe health issues, or some other emergency) and the car needs to be turned into cash. Would it just be a courtesy call to you saying, "Kim, I really appreciate the help you gave me but........." that would keep you from feeling violated?

Also, just for the record....if you can help me as described in your post (by helping me find/get a 68 Yenko Camaro for 1/7 the value) let me know. I AM IN. And I promise not to sell it!! Heck, I still have my current 4 year project that I have been offered a profit for just because I have too much blood/sweat all over the thing to let go. But, I would sell one of my daughters right now.... the car doesn't give me attitude.

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

On a similar but different note, I get upset when a customer attempts to beat me up on a restoration bid so you give them the best price you can. Upon completion, they sell the car for several times their whole investment and you receive little or no credit. I would like to believe I had a little to do with the reason they received such a high price for the car but it bothers me when I cut my cost so that they can make more profit and then get no credit in the end. I guess they call that business.
Rick

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

If a money problem cames up and he has to sells it. I have no problem with that. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

People hang the flipper moniker on the *habitual* offenders...not the guy trading up or with his back against the wall...