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dont know,DS is USUALLY developmental,NOT production.

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I've followed this thread on and off,and i think earlier someone was trying to determine if a car was an engineering car or not.

I have a 67 Fitch Firebird that was an engineering exercise car and on the billing history card the
'charge to' dealer is Pontiac, code 35-997. Also The broadcast sheet found in the car says "ship to Fitch".

Don't know if you guys looked in these places yet, but might be worth a look if you haven't.

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Rick

The basis of thought for an engineering trip started with Bill Knafel's story. The "memo" was the second reason, via the way early SD cars were handled as I have read in Pete M's book. Since there is a lack of access to whatever records there may have been at GM about cars that got such a special trip, I've found it more interesting to crunch some numbers on the RAV motors.

I would like to hear more about your Bird, can you share?

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Steved,
The car was in Aug 99 High Performance Pontiac & Mar 95 of Pontiac Enthusiast. If you do a search on this site in the General Discusion form and search all for time frame it was talked about. Type Fitch Firebird for search words.

Basically Pontiac gave road racer John Fitch my car and one other to play with. The car looks like a big AMX from the side. He made quite a few mods. If you an't find the previous posts from this site let me know.

Rick

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I looked for both issues, either I used them to start a fire or I never had them. I found Aug for every year but 99 and 00. Hmm.

Is the build sheet you found a public thing?

While looking back through, I've noticed Tom has been talked about in several of the old magazines. Via his RAV projects.

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The build/broadcast sheet is what is sometimes found in the car when you take them apart. Vette guys call them tank sheets because on a Vette there commonly found between the gas tank & trunk floor.

The sheets were left behind from the assembly line workers it tells them which parts to put on the car such as shocks, guages, springs and special intructions etc. In the Firebirds I've found them under carpets, in the springs of the seats and also behind door panels.

The Billing history I got from PHS. I'm going to try to attach part of the 1st page of the HPP article.

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Oh yeah I think I remember seeing this car before, very interesting. Does it have any go fast goodies under the hood?

What I meant by public, is are you willing to share the build sheet?

There is nothing sweeter than finding one on a car!!!

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Intake pic....

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that intake looks like a RA V tunnel ram,cant tell ifs it is real or made from a ford.

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My guess is real from all the other pictures in that link I sent you, but I realize you can't see enough of the intake. I figured you were fimiliar with the dealership and what they may or may not of had.

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Steved if you were banking on the memo and special equip codes on the PHS to make that car a factory / engineering RA V car this PHS from GTODON pretty much negates that. This car was a RA IV Judge. I have also done my own research and contacted GM and spoke to a person who works in GM archives the engineering dept was no where near the assembly line and they also stated that all legacy documentation is now in the hands of PHS, they only have pictures for historical purposes. Are you the same guy who has been advertising in the Goat Finder about the same topic for some time now? I really believe in my heart that this whole RA V hype job is all about the money.

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You have got to be kidding me!!! Let it go.....

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Hey Steved you want me to let it go? Look back at page 9 post # 59392 just recently you stated that you spoke to a gentlemen "who used to run cars through the assembly line that would end up in engineering only a few feet away." You don't like to be corrected when you are caught. I am just pointing this out so people do not mistake you for the expert that you think you are.

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I'm sorry, but your not making any sense.

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He's making perfect sense to me!

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