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jbtech 08-01-2023 11:35 PM

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I was told by a previous owner my car was parked in an Ohio barn in 1983 and hasn't been driven since. Well, the last plate on the car now confirms this. This explains why although crusty, the car remained fairly untouched.

Tom Jenkins also confirmed the car did have a junk small block and muncie (not the born with trans). This means the original transmission was removed from the car from either "Tom" Rooker 5th owner or Judy Stevens (Rooker) 6th owner. Buckley (4th owner) states the car was sold sans a 400 small block with the muncie tied up to the car. The first 4 owners state the muncie wasn't changed under their ownership. The car sold to Rooker with a bad steering box. This explains the 69 box with the fast ratio arm on the car today. The 69 fast ratio arm is identical to a stock 67 pitman arm length at 5.8".

http://www.worldlicenseplates.com/usa/US_OHXX.html

Chuck_Burg 08-02-2023 06:47 PM

Solid detective work, as usual :biggthumpup:

jbtech 08-03-2023 12:10 AM

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After welding up a few cracks in the original subframe, I decided to use my spare subframe and pull the original for a few reasons. 1 for safety 2. I let a friend use my welder to build a smoker
So I used a spare subframe I have that is in excellent shape and needed no repairs.
I swapped the original control arms to the "new" sub with exception of the lower RH as it was too rusty. I used the drag link, tie rods from the new subframe as they are in fantastic shape. The draglink has original bluing visible when removing the undercoat. I also swapped the trans crossmember and frame stands. I have saved the "born with " subframe for a future restoration.
I will not be using the booster or metering valve in the photo as they aren't original. The control arm bushings and ball joints are new. I reused original hardware that was in great shape.

I also installed a late 66 date 1967 steering box and correct pitman arm. The 69 box that was on the car with the 5.8" desirable 69 pitman arm needs a rebuild and I decided to go with a 67 box and pitman rather than rebuild the 69 box. I'm listing the 69 box for sale.

jbtech 08-03-2023 08:05 PM

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A while back I found the perfect glovebox door to replace the damaged door on my car. I'm going to repair the original down the road.

There was a screw holding my original glove box closed but thank goodness the screw actually went through the hole for the glove box bumper so there was no damage done to the dash.

Part of the fun of putting this car together is finding the right parts and I've been very fortunate. The replacement door came from an Ohio 04C 4N car that was sold as a shell. The buyer didn't care to buy all the loose parts from the car so the seller sold the loose parts separately. I was able to buy a few parts from the car.

BJCHEV396 08-04-2023 09:47 PM

Great work Jose....keep it going!!

jbtech 08-07-2023 02:17 AM

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More progress. 621 is a repop I bought a few years ago machined very well. Inspection cover is GM NOS along with clutch fork.

Cleaned up original gauge housing and replaced fried gauges with a set from a spare. Clock being sent out to tick once again. I pick up original brake parts tomorrow from being rebuilt internally. This included 82 date booster, wt master, and both original valves. All brake parts removed from a very close date car, even booster is identical date. Going to drop off the calipers from the same donor car tomorrow as well to be rebuilt.

jbtech 08-08-2023 02:49 AM

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You may not notice a difference in the before and after photos but I assure you everything is cleaned and rebuilt internally per my request. I'm very happy with how everything turned out. Luckily the master cylinder wasn't pitted and did not need to be sleeved. Martin from Power Brake Exchange in San Jose performed the rebuild of the booster, master, and both valves. When I went to him with my odd request to leave everything crusty he said, "I've been doing this 36 years I know exactly what you are looking to do". He proceded to take everything apart, put it a bucket and it was ready for me to pickup within a few days. I'm considering cleaning the parts with a simple degreaser.

jbtech 08-13-2023 01:30 AM

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Dash is finally done! 97k original miles, original paint, original gm unrestored parts with exception of the glove box liner (repop) and lock cylinders (restored).
My car was ordered without accessory lighting thus no glove box light.

napa68 08-13-2023 12:54 PM

Looks great Jose!

Too Many Projects 08-13-2023 01:18 PM

As said, fantastic job with original pieces..:flag:
Have you acquired a donor piece of a tunnel to repair the inline shifter butchery ? Or are you going to use a day 2 shifter in there ?

Zedder 08-13-2023 03:12 PM

Very nice work!

jbtech 08-13-2023 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Too Many Projects (Post 1629349)
As said, fantastic job with original pieces..:flag:
Have you acquired a donor piece of a tunnel to repair the inline shifter butchery ? Or are you going to use a day 2 shifter in there ?

The original owner simply cut two slits on the left side of the shifter hole and bent it down. I bent it back up so the original shifter boot will screw right into the factory location. I'll just seal where the two slits were made for now. The car has other areas of butchery that will be addressed down the road but the metalwork isn't a priority at this point. I simply want to resurrect the car while making the interior nice. I'm either going to run the early hurst shifter with the 4527 stick or a P&G shifter. Either way it's not going to be a factory shifter for now.

jbtech 08-27-2023 03:50 AM

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Muncie refreshed with new gaskets, seals, and Thrust washers. I had to install a helicoil because one of the bearing retainer bolts was simply epoxied to the case.
Engine and transmission finally in the car. A lot of little things to be done before first fire up.

AnthonyS 08-27-2023 04:25 AM

Yay!

jbtech 08-27-2023 03:44 PM

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Woke up to make sure it was real.

scuncio 08-27-2023 05:54 PM

Looking great.

napa68 08-27-2023 11:47 PM

This is neat to watch:headbang:

jbtech 09-17-2023 06:41 PM

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This engine was originally built for my 67 Base model Day2 big block swap project so it is by no means a pure 67 engine.
It is a 70's 2 bolt (studs) main block, 077 heads, 198 intake, 3521 crank, list goes on.
With all that in mind I wanted this engine to look like a NOM built up with all of the 67 touches swapped over.
Some of the 67 only goodies include but not limited to:
March 67 3910
Alt+Pulley
Valve Covers
Crank/Water Pump Pulley
PCV Brackets (square tab pcv hose clamps installed after pics taken)

I used thick valve cover gaskets and studs to clear the polylocks.

The RH temp sender on the intake is for a sun greenline gauge

The M/T Super Scavenger headers fit absolutely perfectly

I installed the shifter into final position after mocking up the seat, steering wheel, and console. (the shifter is in gear in the photo because my 4 year old son was "driving to grandma's house"

jbtech 09-17-2023 09:08 PM

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Mocked up Bruce's custom made plenum air cleaner. He modified a Chevelle air cleaner he removed from the salvage yard back in 1967. He was inspired by the other Camaros at the drag strip and decided to make his own. He says he used a 16" inner tube to seal the air cleaner duct to firewall.

Whatever he used to seal it left a pattern on the firewall (last pic)

jbtech 09-18-2023 01:25 AM

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67 clutch and fan installed. Fan retains"day2" chrome.

SuperNovaSS 09-18-2023 03:29 AM

A chrome L78/Z28 fan? Super cool. It’s all coming together. Keep up the great work Jose!

Jason

AnthonyS 09-18-2023 03:37 AM

This is fun to watch come together!
Anthony

jbtech 09-25-2023 11:36 PM

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Just received the coolest care package from Bruce Cremean , the original owner to my 1967 Camaro SS 396 L78!!!
Original Sales Documentation, Window Sticker, Title, receipt for drag slicks, time slips from National Trail Raceway, Dragway 42 pit pass!! Thank you Bruce this means a lot!

69M22Z 09-25-2023 11:49 PM

That's awesome!!!

dykstra 09-26-2023 12:06 AM

How cool is that !!?? Awesome!!

R68GTO 09-26-2023 12:18 AM

Congratulations Jose, what a great set of doc.s!

PeteLeathersac 09-26-2023 02:57 AM



W:eek2:W, Big C:headbang:ngrats!!!
~ Pete
:3gears:

cheveslakr 09-26-2023 03:05 AM

Big bonus, how exciting!! I'm just guessing, but I'd say those time slips happened sometime before 6/9/67.

scuncio 09-26-2023 03:06 AM

What we all dream about! Congrats!

L72copocamaro 09-26-2023 03:10 AM

Fantastic!!

1967 4K 09-26-2023 11:23 AM

Wow! and I can’t even get back to the original purchaser of my 4K. You sure need that born with mill the guy has. I hope you can achieve that someday.
👍

napa68 09-26-2023 11:38 AM

It's well deserved Jose. Your eye for detail and perseverance is paying big dividends:beers:

Chuck_Burg 09-26-2023 04:35 PM

I feel the term "Epic" is overused but this score really is EPIC! Congratulations buddy :headbang:

jbtech 09-26-2023 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperNovaSS (Post 1632174)
A chrome L78/Z28 fan? Super cool. It’s all coming together. Keep up the great work Jose!

Jason

Thanks for selling me the fan JB!


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Originally Posted by jer (Post 1632776)
Big bonus, how exciting!! I'm just guessing, but I'd say those time slips happened sometime before 6/9/67.

He did say he ran 12's consistently so I'd bet you are right. He said he bought slicks for the track and slicks with "two grooves" for the street. He is going through things and hopefully he finds more stuff!


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Originally Posted by 1967 4K (Post 1632788)
Wow! and I can’t even get back to the original purchaser of my 4K. You sure need that born with mill the guy has. I hope you can achieve that someday.

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I hope I didn't say or do anything to close that door. It's out of my hands at this point. For now I just need to be content that it's still around and that I know where it is. Here are photos of the engine when it changed hands before being rebuilt. These were shared with me by the current owners.

1967 4K 09-27-2023 01:02 AM

Look at the second engine pic, the fuel pump to carb line is correct not like most repop ones on cars. Third pic I bet that is the original alt., black fan deep groove silver cad pulley.
Probably the original 3910 on it also. Hope you get it back someday.

jbtech 09-27-2023 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 1967 4K (Post 1632852)
Look at the second engine pic, the fuel pump to carb line is correct not like most repop ones on cars. Third pic I bet that is the original alt., black fan deep groove silver cad pulley.
Probably the original 3910 on it also. Hope you get it back someday.

The carb date is 724, also note original 67 only valve covers, DG water pump flat rolled loop short dipstick (it's salmon color i have photos of the engine after rebuild). Interestingly, when speaking to the current owner of the engine, he mentioned the casting numbers didn't match on the heads although they were original. I'm guessing it had one 391 and one 840. Although he could have meant the dates didn't match.

Interestingly I know engine 7N212552 also doesn't have matching casting numbers on the heads after speaking with the last owner of that engine. (It is located in a pacer as NOM)

1967 4K 09-27-2023 12:19 PM

I noticed the correct valve cover. Another good piece is the upper alt. bracket, notice it doesn’t have the throttle spring return bracket on it . 67 Camaro only but I think that bracket was used on 65 n 66 big block cars.
Never heard about mis matched casting numbers on the heads before. Hmmm 🤔

luzl78 09-27-2023 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 1967 4K (Post 1632891)
I noticed the correct valve cover. Another good piece is the upper alt. bracket, notice it doesn’t have the throttle spring return bracket on it . 67 Camaro only but I think that bracket was used on 65 n 66 big block cars.
Never heard about mis matched casting numbers on the heads before. Hmmm 🤔

my motor has a 391 and 840.

Zedder 09-30-2023 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jbtech (Post 1632856)
The carb date is 724, also note original 67 only valve covers, DG water pump flat rolled loop short dipstick (it's salmon color i have photos of the engine after rebuild). Interestingly, when speaking to the current owner of the engine, he mentioned the casting numbers didn't match on the heads although they were original. I'm guessing it had one 391 and one 840. Although he could have meant the dates didn't match.

Interestingly I know engine 7N212552 also doesn't have matching casting numbers on the heads after speaking with the last owner of that engine. (It is located in a pacer as NOM)

My 4P L78 had 2 different original heads also.

olredalert 10-01-2023 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jbtech (Post 1632856)
The carb date is 724, also note original 67 only valve covers, DG water pump flat rolled loop short dipstick (it's salmon color i have photos of the engine after rebuild). Interestingly, when speaking to the current owner of the engine, he mentioned the casting numbers didn't match on the heads although they were original. I'm guessing it had one 391 and one 840. Although he could have meant the dates didn't match.

Interestingly I know engine 7N212552 also doesn't have matching casting numbers on the heads after speaking with the last owner of that engine. (It is located in a pacer as NOM)

----I wonder if you offered another rebuilt big block for this one that obviously needs rebuilding if that might peek his interest. If he's thinking of building something (even if he doesn't) he would have an engine ready to go. What do you think?.....Bill S


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