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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sYc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IMO, the main reason the same combos run better times today then back in the day is A. track prep and B. tires. </div></div>
Tom, there is alot more then just that? Camshaft tech, fuels and lubricants as well as what the factories are doing all help with making the "average" car faster then it would have been back in even the '80's. Fuels even. Look at the Oxygenated fuels and how they alone can effect ET. I've personally seen a 8 second N/A SB pick up 2 tenths from going from C16 to Q16 when he jetted up accordingly. There is so many other things that we do that I can't get into either, Pro-flite trans, Ti wheel studs, carbon brake, ceramic bearing etc. that help the whole package, yet some people wouldn't even look into these areas or notice till you point it out, yet those there can be 1/2 a second in ET. |
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I think??? Tom was talking about how fast the Stock Elimintor cars were 40 years ago compared to how fast the "stock eliminator" cars of today are and how much the word "stock" is stretched.
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Ya possibly, never thought of that. opps
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10.47 ET is pretty strong for that setup...would like to see it run [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif[/img]
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real strong!
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Sorry guys, took it apart and sold off the top end, cam and some other parts. Still have shortblock and going into it sometime this year. Got a set of stock 840's and 163 intake for it, just for the OEM look.
Funny, I did end up putting a 10 point cage in the car, sold off the M-21 for a 'glide as I KNEW I would end up breaking that trans, and bought the "POLISHED SNEAKERS 427"! That artical is gone now, but YEARS ago, Patrick Budd built 2 low-buck BBc's. 1 was a .030 over 427 (MINE) for Lee Martin, and a .030 454 cor another guy. Basic low buck stuff for a total of 5 GRAND in each. Basically there OEM shortblocks with TRW pistons, OEM OVAL port heads, solid lifter cam and aftermarket intake. My 427 was set up to run Nitrous and had 12.8-1 compression, cam was right around 600 lift, just plain old solids. Lee ran this motor, 3500 converter, 4.10 rear, DOT tire and 3500+ lbs Buick regal. FIRST time at the track this car went 10.90's. Out-of-the-box- Holley 850 and HEI distributor. Shifted at 6500. I PUT this 427 in my '69 Nova. REWORK Holley 800 form my other motor, 2 speed with 5200 converter, 9" SLICK and 4.56's. This ALSO ran 10.40's. Patrick told me that the "215" heads were about a 60% effort due to Lee's limited knowledge and the car being set up for 250 hit of Nitrous. I think if we spent some time and played with it, I think I could have gotten LOW 10.20's maybe even a 10.TEEN in the right conditions. Reworking the heads, changing the cam, converter and gears, I bet there was a 9 in that little 433. This too is going back together this summer, I sold off some of the stuff (block and some other odds n ends) to a "Nostalgia" class racer and that stuff went over to run LaMans in France VINTAGE series. Side note: The 454 with "781" heads, N/A cam, 4.10's and 3500 converter ran 10.30's shifting at 6500. BOTH ran thru mufflers and DOT tire and both over 3500 lbs. The owner of the 4454 DID change to alum head and matching intake, AND SLOWED DOWN!!!! John |
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Umm wonder what you guys will say WHEN my "052" ZL-1 motor with "074" heads and "198" intake runs MID/LOW 9's in the same '69 Nova?
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Patrick Budd: Polishing a Set of Sneakers
Great article. It's not as hard as most people think to put a well-sorted BBC deep into the 10's--even the "baby" rats. Back in the `80's the staging lanes at our local tracks were filled with 10 second bracket bombers, and there were more crate LS7 engines than you could shake a stick at. Those engines make an <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">honest</span></span> 480-ish HP in stock form and will make low-mid 500's with a cam and intake swap. Add a halfway-decent prepped car with a converter and a gear and you'll run 10's until the cows come home. There was one guy with a BONE stock (save for headers) `69 L78 Nova with 400 Turbo and 4.10 gears, and with sticky street tires he was running high 11's-low 12's depending on the weather. John's numbers are more than plausible. |
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Thanks, that's it! I haven't seen it in 2 years, but I did have it printed out at home. I'm only about hour from the Falls boarder and been to Pat's shop, ProCars when he had it a few times.
People sometimes don't look at "THE TOTAL PACKAGE", and therefore HURT performance as noted in in there when Mike switched to Merlin heads and Team G intake, PLUS going up a point in compression, THE CAR SLOWED DOWN A 2 TENTHS AND 2 MPH. That's why when we were putting my motor together, my guy recommend the SMALL 660 roller over the typical BBc 714 I had that everyone was using. |
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Yes, technology changed with the years. In the late sixteys if you had car that ran in the 12S. You had a good car. But today, your grand mother wouldn;t drive that car. I;m not braging in any way. But I run a full unlitened body car. 3350 lb. no driver. All motor, foot brake, and I;m doing a 10:31 Et at 133 MPH. And that;s lunching the car at 1,800 RPM;s. Thanks The Dutchman
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Sounds like you got that car dialed in Professor. And, you do not hurt any parts doing it.
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Keep doing what you are doing. As long as you are having fun, the rest is of little on importance. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif[/img]
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Go bbbenny go!
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I ran at Numedia yesterday. The car ran good. I ran a 10;47ET at 130;00 MPH. But I got treed, first round! But I;ll keep hitting the 1320! Thanks The Dutchman
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real good for this humidity.
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If it ever stops raining, I;d like to race before winter! Maybe sunday? The Dutchman
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Don't hold your breath!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bbbenny</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, technology changed with the years. In the late sixteys if you had car that ran in the 12S. You had a good car. But today, your grand mother wouldn;t drive that car. I;m not braging in any way. But I run a full unlitened body car. 3350 lb. no driver. All motor, foot brake, and I;m doing a 10:31 Et at 133 MPH. And that;s lunching the car at 1,800 RPM;s. Thanks The Dutchman
</div></div> That is hauling the mail.........congrats Professor. |
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I ran at Island drayway on Sunday. The air was bad. But it wasn;t raining. I Red lighted first round. Early one week late the next!!!! The car ran a 10;47 Et MPH 130.00 Going to the Nost Super Stock Weekend this weekend at Beaver springs. Thanks The Dutchman [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img]
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Island Dragway the nicest drag strip east of the Mississippi in the 60's/70's I guess.
I remember when that place was the place to go. They had the best Stock/SuperStock racing around. Jersey, Pa. NY and even some Conn. racers. Good luck at the Beaver Strip. |
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BBBenny.........The Kelvinator is back out with suspension and head upgrades..........Now you have a lot of catching up to do.........Spend BBBenny Spend !!!!
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Good luck at the Beaver Strip. [/quote] I too would like to wish Benny good luck, and a good time at the "Beaver Strip" |
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Second time shot. I had something wrong with the car. Had to shut it down. Off to the trans guy! The Dutchman
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didn't shift? a noise? slipping?? How did the first time shot go? Notice anything then?
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Oh no!!!
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My first time shot was good. 10;54 ET. 127 MPH. With a 006. light. But the second time shot. The guy on the line, had me out of the water box. To far and I dry hopped the burnout. That is a NO=NO! So form what I have being checking on the car. It;s down to the trans. The Dutchman
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Still trying things out. My trans guy dosen;t want to pull the box, unless it;s the last hope! Not having any fun on the sideline. The Dutchman [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img]
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I did a test @ tune, last night. Looks like the trans, has to come out. The Dutchman
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That's slowing you down....how soon will you be ready to race again ? You are putting a hurtin on the tree with you RT
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What kind of converter are you running?
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That is a secret Ken. The Professor will not release that kind of info.
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The trans is back in the car. Going to a Test @ Tune session this sunday. If all is good. Heading to Beach Bend for some racing. Thanks The Dutchman
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Benny, will you be at Numidia this Sunday??
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Marlin, I won;t be at Numedia this sunday. It;s a regular race day. I have to try the car, out first. Before I go to a race. But I wish the Kids the best! The Dutchman
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Island?
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Ok, bummer - was hoping to hang out and watch you go down the track!
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Sams, Correct I;ll be at Island for the T/T, on Sunday. Results later. The Dutchman
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Good track to shack down the new trans.
The B/MP record may fall in Bowling Green next weekend. |
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BBBenny........The Kelvinator ran 148 MPH last week.......
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