Re: X-ram on eBay
 

Jeff, keep mentioning the $1500 sill plates... that was a made up sale on ebay. And not the norm, as it was a one time occurrence and it was bogus transaction. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smirk.gif

Re: X-ram on eBay
 

Not sure about 1500 ones, but i did see a set maybe 2 years ago go for 2800. Crazy but true. Ask Jerry MacNeish what he got for a set of rare 69 Z/28 factory headers.

Re: X-ram on eBay
 

Yes I know. Larry C. from Colorado just started Reproducing Perfect factory 302 header Knock offs from all three years-67, 68, and 69. $1500.00 per pair.

Jeff I respect your opinion-but on the X rams-I stand by my opinion there. I think we all agree they are are down in value.

Now market forces are now in control- because they are now available again. How low they go depends on the quality of the reproductions and how many flood the market, are installed, and then removed for resale.

The next test will be to see if the Knock off's change the value of these X-ram cars at Auction? Scottsdale is not too far off. We will see.

Phil

Re: X-ram on eBay
 

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Remember, it's not the price of the part that matters to some people, it's the fact that it's a genuine GM part which will dictate the price.

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I agree 100%, if the fact people can load yet another repro part onto their car for cheap makes them happy, so be it, but true NOS pieces (not put-together, parts missing, etc. setups like the one in question) will continue to command top buck from the purists... I never did see cross ram setups changing hands by the dozen at 20K+, now OR before the repro stuff was being made, that was one or two guys who fought over a beyond the oridinary, totally perfect and NOS setup. As was stated, once these select few got what they wanted, the prices settled back down... when someone else decides they "have to have" an NOS GM crossram, the price will likely spike again. I personally think it would be easier to sell an NOS GM setup for 20k than it would be to sell a "brand new" totally fake, reproduction setup for 5k. JMO.

Re: X-ram on eBay
 

Agreed Joe, Its the GM/Winters marks that bring out the prices.

Re: X-ram on eBay
 

Joe, there were several setups that sold on Ebay for $20-22K so it wasn't a single occurance.

Phil, I'm not arguing that crossram prices will come down and haven't already come down. I totally agree that they will not stay at $20K and we are already seeing that. But I think they will stay in the $12-15K range for real GM setups and the repos will sell for around $5K IMO.

The crazy thing about some of the NOS parts is that they don't look or fit like the original assembly line parts but people will still pay top dollar to keep their car all GM. That is part of the challenge in restoring a car. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

Re: X-ram on eBay
 

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an NOS unit

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A complete NOS Crossram set-up is few and far between...IMO there could be a thousand repops on the market but a true NOS complete set-up is going to bring the money....wonder what a complete NOS BE 4 series posi unit would bring and you can't even see that part?? If someone wants the absolute best stuff on the market and want to pay up for it...more power to them...

Re: X-ram on eBay
 

What is a complete NOS setup? Could you ever walk up to the service counter at a GM dealer and give them a single part number for the whole crossram setup, or did the parts guy have to go digging thru the shelves for each individual piece, placing orders for the parts that weren't on the shelf?

Re: X-ram on eBay
 

Yes Mark, there was a single part # for the complete setup. I forget what it is at the moment. It's listed in Wayne Guinn's book and Jerry MacNeish's book.

Crossram Unit # and parts breakdown
 

As per W. Guinn's book <font color="blue"> Camaro Untold Secrets 1967-1969 </font>

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