Re: Need help - 69 COPO Camaro?
 

Hi April,

Removing the cover is no big deal and is really the only way at this point to figure out what you have, especially since you can't be fully sure about the axle stamping. If the gear numbers are correct, the chances are excellent that you have at the very least, a COPO rear-end.

The best of luck to you!
Dave

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I am pretty positive it IS a BE based all the other evidence. In addition, it currently has a 454 with this rear end and has been raced this way. From my understanding, 3.08 would not work with a 454. I wouldn't object to someone qualified taking off the cover to confirm it but I really don't feel it would be wise for me or my husband to take it off. Even with the cover off, I'm not sure we'd know what we were looking at. :-) We are also going on the assumption that it came with a 427 which would not have come with a PE.

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Hi Dave,
Thanks!! I was posting at same time you were apparently. I know we may too but I'm not quite prepared to do that yet. Especially considering the other factors.

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http://s1151.photobucket.com/albums/...t=BEaxle-1.jpg

I added a picture of the radiator neck and of where the heater box would have been. It is no longer there but it looks to me like there used to be something there.

Jan - Are the pictures of the transmission crossmember helpful at all?

Does anyone have anymore information on the PE axles? I'm trying to rule out a PE.

Someone asked about the speedometer, the original one is missing. I did put a picture of a sticker that was on the gauge cluster. Don't know if that would help with anything. The speedo and tach were literally cut out of the gauge cluster. It does have a clock in the center but I'm assuming they all did except for the rare fuel gauge.

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Welcome aboard April!
Others can confirm but I think PE's were 10-bolts so if untouched it won't be that.
On the Keystone Warrior thing, there was a drag strip near Winnipeg Canada operating as Keystone Dragways later called Bison Dragway.
Long shot but it may be worth searching their photo archives etc also running the Vin by George at GM Canada Vintage services, see links below.

Keystone/Bison website...
http://www.mts.net/~red67/index.html

GM Canada Vintage services...
http://www.vintagevehicleservices.com/options.html


Best o' luck w/ everything!.
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~ Pete

Re: Need help - 69 COPO Camaro?
 

April what are going to do with this car?

Re: Need help - 69 COPO Camaro?
 

April.

I believe you can do something helpful to yourself here by simply removing the diff. cover and photographing or describing the contents and their stampings. If COPO gears are in there, the site experts will be able to tell you. Not hard to do, just remove the diff cover bolts and pop it off.

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Okay, we are going to try to take the cover off tomorrow. Will I be able to see numbers with the cover off or will I have to take something out? I can tell you now, I will not be comfortable taking anything out of that rear end. I DO NOT want to mess anything up. ;-)
I'll also try and get a hold of the guy in Canada tomorrow. If anyone knows any other resources for finding out information on the car I could use it, I will call anyone who can help me. It's already a special car to me but I think there's more here. According to what you all are telling me, if it turns out to be a copo it will be a VERY special car.


Pictures of the car-
http://s1151.photobucket.com/albums/o628/baleon/

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If you ordered a tach, and no console, or with console, but not gauge package, you got center fuel gauge. Auto without console, would have been column mount.

As for the curved neck radiator, the pic shows the neck to be clocked incorrectly. Factory curved neck was angled up at about 10-12 degrees. Not saying that one is not original, as it is possible that for some reason, the neck was resoldered. Clearly, that row of braze is not factory. Look for stamped metal radiator tags on either side and report your findings.

I have a repop radiator in my Yenko clone, and I had the radiator rotated and re-soldered at a radiator shop. Cost me $10.

That tranny crossmember is of the style of the TH400 crossmember, but I don't know enough about them to comment on its originality. However, that crossmember was only used with the TH400, and if you ordered a b/b auto, (396 or 427) you got the TH400.

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April
When you get the cover off, try and get a good photo of these #' on the ring gear. Try and find someone with a Macro setting on there camera. You may have to rotate a rear wheel to bring it into view. Both wheels need to be off the ground, use two jack stands, one under each axle tube.

[img:center]http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1.../BE3916226.jpg[/img]

Also try and get shots of the Side gear, and the hole I have circled.

[img:center]http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...thsidegear.jpg[/img]

And you are correct, do not try and remove anything but the rear cover.
Have fun.

Mike [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]