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Jeff, some neat pictures on those sites you posted. I had seen some of them, but there were several new ones. Man, what an era. Wish they had taken more pictures though, and all in color. Some really creative painters back then. The part that bothers me the most about not always thinking to take more pictures (I am the world’s worse) is all of the history lost, such as what was sitting in the shop of the guy I bought my car from. Not only my car, but two more vintage funny cars, tons of vintage speed parts and some cool stuff back of the shop in the weeds. Kind of reminds me of the stash in Wisconsin that just sold. The first time I did not take a camera along as I had no idea that I was about to walk into a time warp. When Mo and I went back to pick up my car, Mike was tied up with some other business, so all he had time for us to put the rear wheels from the other car on mine and load it. And as you guys who have helped me wheel push it around know, hard to do with just your self and 2 others. guy. Good thing Mo was there. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif
One of the rides that I remember out back was an old ambulance/hearse, the paint all faded and such, but clearly on the side was painted Barry Grant. We were told this was Gary’s first support vehicle. As you walked inside the front door of his shop were several engines on stands (W shaped heads), 2-3 blower setups and a couple injection setups, complete with stacks. Once in the main area of the shop, stacked along side the walls were piles of alternators, distributors, intakes, wheels, on and on. We did not go up into the loft, but he said he had some where over 300 engines up there, and by the looks of it, may have been so. Supposedly there was a complete DZ engine up there. Mike told us he had turned down 1 mil for the whole lot. In the center of the main shop were several cars, including a sweet ‘66/’67 Nova, day two with Cragars, wide tires, etc, his daily driver. The other three cars in the main shop were funny cars. The one I bought, another was a mid year Corvette, ‘64 I believe he said. It had a flip top one piece body, was white at the time and Mike was unsure who’s car it was. He asked me to do some research on it, which I did, but was unable to find anything. It would be a neat car to have, as I have yet to see another vintage funny car like it. At the time, same as with the car I bought, it was not for sale. The only car for sale at the time of our first visit was another other flip top funny car, similar to mine. A ‘67/68 Camaro, long nose, front bumper ?, funky spoke front wheels (sort of looked like motorcycle wheels), and as I said above, the rear wheels that are on my car now. I will never forget who he said he thought once drove the car, Dickie Montoya. Dickie because it made me think of Dick (Dickie) Harrell and Montoya because of the road race driver, Formula 1 maybe? Because at the time this was the only car he was willing to part with, I did some research when I got home, but was unable to find anything. Later on, when I met Bob Gibson, he told me he had heard of him. Some sort of regional racer, I believe he said Nebraska, Texas, ? Another interesting fact about this particular car, as with many others (remember the ‘68 DH Chevelle most of us passed on), it was shopped around at SCR2. Mike lived near Rogersville and showed up at the track to see if we were going to race. He told me he visited with some one there who had a Harrell race car there (Porterfield). Bill, as well Howie, have told me about meeting Mike. As my luck goes, I was in Springfield watching it rain instead of at the track where the sun was out. BP still ribs me about not racing that day. Mike did his best to sell him the Montoya car to Mo. Mo still tells me it would have made a neat pulling rig. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif And by the way guys, a few months after all of this, I tried geeting a hold of Mike to see about getting a set of Halibrands for the rear of my car, the phone had been disconnected and heard the stuff was no longer there. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif |
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From the DH site.
<font color="red"> #1 68TopStock Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 28 1967 Nickey Camaro FunnyCar by Bill Thomas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I found this ad in several fall of 1967 AHRA DragWorld newspapers. In another post on this Nickey forum, there is mention to Dick racing a Nickey 1967 Camaro 440" funnycar, the article is dated late 1966? From what I have read in the literature, Dick left Nickey Chevrolet in early 1967, and from what I think is known, his first Don Hardy Camaro funnycar was under construction in early 1967. This car was built in CA, and powered by Bill Thomas. Is much known about what transpired regarding this car, and who ended up purchasing and racing it? </font> Bill Thomas in CA. was involved. Could explain why the first picture of any DH fuuny car is of the red car in Califonia, and still under construction (no spoiler, funky parachute attachment, etc) |
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Also from the DH site.
<font color="red">-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nickey Funny Car Date: 12/27/2004 12:52:00 PM PST From: tstephani@cus...... Hi, My name is Tom Stephani and my Dad (Jack) was one of the owners of Nickey. I am the unofficial historian of Nickey and its racing exploits due to the fact that I ended up with all of the archives from the dealership. The funny car that you are inquiring about was built for Nickey, but never ran as a Nickey car. All of the Nickey's 1967 racing plan was abandoned due to financial reasons. I have no idea where the car ended up. Best regards, Tom Stephani __________________ Val </font> |
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So does this validate the 2 car theory ? Seems like it to me..
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Bob, Dick had Bill Thomas build him an injected Camaro funny car that he was goig to run in the 67 season. Before the car was finished Dick parted ways with Bill Thomas and Nickey and formed a relationship with Don Yenko which left Nickey and Bill Thomas holding the bag on the Camaro funny car. I have attached a copy of the ad where they were trying to sell the car which did not sell until sometime around 1969. This is the car that is referenced above and it never was a Dick Harrell car. Bill told me that he did not know where the car ended up at as it was sold by Nickey..............RatPack..............
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Hmmm... That is sinister looking...
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Tom has Harrells car...I'm an expert now...I looked at the pics.End of story...hey why not ...its as good as anything else...this guy who is an expert had the car in his show booth...and saw it 2 years after...and never had any issues but now miraculously he looked at some pictures or something and he says it's not the car after all these years ? None of it smells right...now they are trotting their proclamation out to all kinds of websites praying someone will believe them but in time they will all see right thru it all...no matter what the car is ...Harrells name has suffered . Hopefully Val sees that [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] <font color="blue">WTF GUYS?!?!?!? The only thing that really matters is that Tom has a really cool nostalgia funny car, that looks like a DH car. If I saw that car at a Funnycar Reunion or the Hot Rod Reunion, I would think it was the coolest thing since sliced bread! NOW, if Tom decides to sell that car as an original DH car, THEN & only THEN. should any of this BS matter. I have been on this site for a couple of years now & enjoy it most of the time. I try to post interesting (but mostly funny) comments, because I am no expert on ANY of this. Controversy is great to a point, but to try & put someones blood, sweat & tears down because YOU THINK they are doing it ALL WRONG is crazy. I wish I had the patience to build one of these nostalgia cars, real or copy, because they are much cooler to me than the new megadollar stuff. Anyway https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ouguysrock.gif & I will continue to post, look & listen, but please, STOP THE INSANITY! </font> Some idiot on this site made an original Baldwin car a Pro-Street!!! Can you believe that!!! <font color="blue">(oh, that was me, s*it, I can't even start controversy right.)</font> https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif [/ QUOTE ] I think that is funny how you say "NOW, if Tom decides to sell that car as an original DH car, THEN & only THEN. should any of this BS matter." Well the car was offered to a man for the price of $235,000.00 for the car??? Now would you like to buy this car thinking it was the real thing or would you like to see the original pics and try to figure if this is the #1 car or the Dixie Twister???? Tom, if you wont just post the pictures of what your car looked like when you got it, then just tell us why. It surely was the newest flagship car to your collection and you don't have any pictures of it . . . I find that hard to believe. I'm not trying to start any shiit but since you dont want to share the pictures then tell us why the car is for sale??? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif |
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Hi everyone,
I have been following this debate from afar on this site as well as the DH site. This is really getting a lot of people hot under the collar. I am not a Funny Car expert in any stretch of the imagination, so forgive my ignorance. But, I do have an observation I would like to share. If there were indeed two 68 DH FC's, would it not make sense that there have to be pictures showing both cars together? Did I miss something on that? Also, don't you think that the Harrell organization ( Val included ) would have some old pictures of all the Funny Cars together? Would that not make the debate about a second car go away? Or, do members here feel that possibly these possible proof pictures are being kept burried for a reason? One last question for the more knowledgeable. I believe that Funny Cars were of a work-in-progress nature, weren't they? If so, could it be possible that there were two fiber-glass bodies and one frame? Just a hypothesis...... Steve |
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Is this car 1 or car 2 or neither
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Cool pictures.
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that is the 67 steel body car
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I think that is funny how you say "NOW, if Tom decides to sell that car as an original DH car, THEN & only THEN. should any of this BS matter." Well the car was offered to a man for the price of $235,000.00 for the car??? Now would you like to buy this car thinking it was the real thing or would you like to see the original pics and try to figure if this is the #1 car or the Dixie Twister???? Tom, if you wont just post the pictures of what your car looked like when you got it, then just tell us why. It surely was the newest flagship car to your collection and you don't have any pictures of it . . . I find that hard to believe. I'm not trying to start any shiit but since you dont want to share the pictures then tell us why the car is for sale??? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif [/ QUOTE ] What about Tom? You forget that he may be the victim here. He has already said that the car was presented to him as an original DH car. He also said that when he purchased it, the body had already been crudely stripped with a scrapper and the fiberglass was in bad shape. Furthermore, with all the other more likey candidates we've uncovered over the past few days, why is everyone so quick to claim its the Dixie Twister? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif |
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What about Tom? You forget that he may be the victim here. He has already said that the car was presented to him as an original DH car. He also said that when he purchased it, the body had already been crudely stripped with a scrapper and the fiberglass was in bad shape. Furthermore, with all the other more likey candidates we've uncovered over the past few days, why is everyone so quick to claim its the Dixie Twister? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif [/ QUOTE ] Jeff, Thanks for the nice lead in. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif I want to first apologize to you and everyone on here for this thing dragging on for so long. but as Charley posted, my distracters have had months to put their “case” together, I have had but a few days. But, now that I have had a little time to search for a few things, I am ready to provide some sound evidence backing up my claims. Here is the receipt clearly showing that the seller (Mike Menter) was knowing selling me what he thought was a 1967 Dick Harrell funny car chassis and body, and that I was buying what I felt was a 1967 Dick Harrell funny car chassis and body.. I will be the first to admit that this receipt is quite crude, but this transaction was done in haste, sitting in my Suburban at a rural Aamaco gas station. And I think the amount of money I paid for the car reflects just how certain I was that this was a DH car, when at a time (June of 2000) old racecars, unless associated with a “name” racer, were dime a dozen. If nothing else, IMHO, this receipt clearly disputes any theory that I simply found an old race car and turned it into one of Dick’s. https://www.yenko.net/attachments/179663-receipt-1.JPG |
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Tom,
Ok there is the receipt. Now perhaps the personal attacks will stop. But on the other hand they will likely not. One look at the other sites where the crap is posted will reveal the true agenda: Example: There is little real technical discussion of the detail photos shown here, right now there is complaining that the photos posted here for comparison are "too enlarged" and lack detail--- WTF??? Bottom line: SYC leads in finding and locating the truth. SYC is fair and encourages open discussion. Tom you have taken quite a bit of bashing here for no good reason, but you have been fair about it. Phil https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif |
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WOW!
That just took me over an hour to read all of this! I was barely a few years old when all this was alive in 67-69. I will never know! I would like to offer my opinions only! I dont know everything as it comes to Camaros but I am able to continue to learn because of this site and many others. To clill, Clarys, BelAir...: Thanx for making these forums having free speech and kept honest throughout the years, including this thread! If we can all keep open minds working together, final determinations can be concluded over time! Hopefully, all this can be decided at one pointe and the hobby can continue on as we would like it to do! Tom, I like your car, and hope all this ends as you like! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif |
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For a site that thrives on paperwork documentation, that is a ridiculous piece of evidence. Anybody else would be laughed off this site if they produced that handwritten Waffle House napkin as a piece of evidence towards a valuble car. Put it back in the safe please. Anyway, maybe this will help, about a year ago while packing I came across one of the east coast magazines circa 69-70 that had a feature on a 67-68 Camaro funny car that was purchased from Dick Harrell and being raced with a new paint job. I don't remember if the car had a functional door or not but I spent SEVERAL hours yesterday unpacking my mags trying to find it with no success. Somebody with a large collection of these east coast magazines needs to read all the funny car features and maybe this wil be the missing link in the disputed history of this car. Good luck.
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One look at the other sites where the crap is posted will reveal the true agenda: Example: There is little real technical discussion of the detail photos shown here, right now there is complaining that the photos posted here for comparison are "too enlarged" and lack detail--- WTF??? [/ QUOTE ] No matter what is posted..no matter what is said...whether Toms car is the one or not..there will always be something else...when/if this dies down they will trot out some other steaming pile. When you can't get respect any other way...you sneak around in the shadows and try and smear crrap. They are even trying to undermine the Reunion by e-mailing people...myself included and trying to sway people into coming to their show which is a Supercar Show..hope no one is conned by their feeble and psychotic attempts to "ruin" Tom Clary. It must be an ego thing. The pied piper is probably sitting on a dirty couch somewhere trying to figure out what to do next to get some attention. This whole deal is starting to get boring. |
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Found this on a Chevrolet filmstrip.
Is this the 1967 F/C? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...s/DHSB0006.jpg |
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For a site that thrives on paperwork documentation, that is a ridiculous piece of evidence. Anybody else would be laughed off this site if they produced that handwritten Waffle House napkin as a piece of evidence towards a valuble car. Put it back in the safe please. Anyway, maybe this will help, about a year ago while packing I came across one of the east coast magazines circa 69-70 that had a feature on a 67-68 Camaro funny car that was purchased from Dick Harrell and being raced with a new paint job. I don't remember if the car had a functional door or not but I spent SEVERAL hours yesterday unpacking my mags trying to find it with no success. Somebody with a large collection of these east coast magazines needs to read all the funny car features and maybe this wil be the missing link in the disputed history of this car. Good luck. [/ QUOTE ] Tom.....Look under the gas tank for the "build" sheet...............LOL..........That "Magic" moment probably still wouldn't be enough to satisfy ...... Ken https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ouguysrock.gif |
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Mark thats not documentation by any means..it's a receipt for what he feels he bought and how it was represented..no more and no less.
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I really wanted no part of this debacle and I really DO WANT to believe that the car is the real deal. But far too many unanswered questions have arisen and no concrete evidence or "as found" photos have been produced. If this mess is not straightened up soon, that car's reputation will be forever tarnished and that would be a travesty if it really is the real thing. The car's next appearence will be surrounded by people whispering to their buddies and families that "it's not real" and I would really hate to see that happen to the car. My ex-Braun Bros. '55 Chevy C/Gasser, though in no way in the same league as a Dick Harrell car, even has photos of the car as-found and during the paint and body work so there's no question to it's authenticity.
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Most of the arguements against this car were made by someone going by the handle of USA-funnycar. Who is USA-funnycar ? He also made this statement......
"I know that the guy that sold you the car (M.M. are his initials) told you he did not know if it was the DH funnycar and he didn't think it was, neither did BP. So quit playing your games and that will stop all of the name calling on both sites." USA-funnycar..You also mention BP as also not thinking it was the Harrell car. By BP I assume you are talking about Bill Porterfield. I spoke to Bill today. Bill told me he had never seen the car or been to the guys place. He said the guy offered him the 67-8 Dick Harrell funny car but Bill wasn't interested because he wanted the 69 Harrell car. Bill said he would like to remain neutral on this discussion.. So Porterfield never saw the car and you claim you know the seller didn't think it was a Harrell car yet it appears he signed a Bill of Sale stating otherwise. Can you explain that and maybe tell us who you are ? |
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Sorry about taking so long guys, but here we go. For last couple of days I have been searching high and low for any pictures of the car before we sprayed it. During the period we were working on the car, my camera was one of those digital ones that used a 3 1/4 floppy disk. The same camera we used to photograph all of the cars at 2-3 SCRs, so needless to say, I have 100s of disks. But I was able to find this one, while not real clear, I think it does shed considerable light on the body in question. I only found a couple.
Here is a shot of the passenger side of the car. Note a couple of things. First the angle/size of the rocker. With the absence of Red shiny paint, IMO, does not appear to be my car, even though it is. Second, and IMO, most important, notice the area inside the red mark. The dark line, which is actually a seam, is repair work. This seam is there on both sides, still visible on the inside of the car today. This was the patch job Dave Libby pointed out to us at Etown, At the time, when Dave said the car had been damaged and then repaired, I thought he meant the usual minor damage. But a couple of nights ago, he told Mo the front end had been “clipped”. The presence of these seams indicate that this body has been “clipped”. As most of us know, when trying to sort out old racecars, prior damage and repairs is one of the things you look for. If not mistaken, another Harrell car was identified in this fashion, ZL-1 #1, as Fred Gibb know where to look for damaged areas. I think showing that my car may have been “clipped”, same as one of Dick’s, certainly lends credence to the fact that the two bodies could be the one and the same. And, since it is pretty obvious that my car has been "clipped" at some point in its racing career, makes it tough to try and compare the portion of my car from the seam forward with the same area on any other car, as who knows when, how, where or what parts from what company were used. https://www.yenko.net/attachments/179661-seam-2.JPG A close up. https://www.yenko.net/attachments/179660-seam-1.JPG |
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These two pictures show another interesting part of the car. Note the “trim” pieces around the back glass. When I first got the car and studied pictures of the Red car with the Black roof, I really thought it had a real vinyl roof, but was puzzled how they did it. That was one of the first questions I asked Dave Libby, how did they do the roof. He laughed for a few seconds, then explained. The black was simply spray paint in a can, meant to give a vinyl roof look, and then the area where the moldings are were painted silver. To me, the black vinyl roof look is one of the most unique and interesting things about my car, always sure to draw a comment or two at shows. I know a lot of the cars back in that era have these trim pieces, and on several cars were painted silver, but IMO, they really accent the black top and red bottom. I have had a couple of folks tell me they like the burgundy colored DH cars better, but I am kind of fond of the Black over Red look.
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Did I hit a nerve there Mr Lopata ? Why the secret ? Who is USA-funnycar ? This is not to divert attention from Toms car. I would also like to get to the bottom of just what car it is. I think both Ratpack and 55Chevy make some valid points and they tried to lay them out to lessen the confusion. But to make these bold acusations and hide behind a screen name seems pretty chickenshit. Who is USA-funnycar ?..
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Bob Gibson posted this.....
"Bob Gibson Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Midweset Posts: 14 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm sure trying to keep up on this thread... I have some good pictures of the Kirby car taken right after the Super Rat name was put on it. A person would be a bloom'in idiot to think Matt's, Jim Kirby car isn't an authentic Dick Harrell team car. I may be the butt here but I know what I'm looking at and TC's car as far as I'm concerned is not one of Dick's old cars. That car was in my display booth at Bowling Green in 2003 and I looked the car over real well and I had a few doubts then but wasn't 100% sure and didn't want to voice an opinion, but as I've gotten more pictures of it and started compairing certain things, I start seeing things that don't add up. I'll bring my pictures and if TC will let me near the car I'll show him some differences that will prove it. TC, It's ok to build a clone in honor of a great racer... but admit it, people will enjoy looking at the car just the same. Bob..The person saying that Muphys car was not a Harrell car was Dale Pulde..... "Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Ebay the Jim Kirby Camaro is being sold as an Orignal Dick Harrell 68 Funny car. This car was used and run to fill match races by Dick, He and Charlie Therewanger raced it for a while then the owner Jim Kirby ran the Harrell name for a while. It was NEVER an original Dick Harrell car. This car is still appears to be on great shape and a real good find. DP" Bob..Are you thinking Tom is trying to say his car is the same as Murphys ? What do you have pics of ? |
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You know Tom when I went with you to pick up that funny car we talked on the trip over that if it turned out to be nothing it would at least be fun playing with.
We picked up the car that day and the fun did begin. Looking over hundreds of pictures and reading tons of magazines before even thinking about what car it was seemed at the time like alot of trouble. When we was looking at all these pictures we kept coming up with the red/black car that just didn't look like all the others. In the end that came to be the deciding factor on which car we decided it had to be, it just didn't match the other cars that the pictures showed as Dick's. Then we finally started by cutting away years of misuse and abuse and trying to get down to something savable which was quite a job. After several hundred hours of work we had learned how to re-gelcoat a body that some had said was junk. Re-built a chassis that the engine had been moved in at least twice, changed from a auto to a manual, foot brake to a hand brake. During all this time we had kept on looking at all the pictures we could find, reading all the articles possible and talking to who we was told at the time was the best we could talk to for verification and information on what we had. I remember the day that the lettering was put on the car, we were both speachless when we stood there looking at what had transformed in my shop. At that moment we knew that we had brought back to life a tribute to a great driver and a time gone by. Now we load up and go to our first show, to where the experts are, nervous yes, confindent no way. We get there, set up in the booth of one of the experts and start asking questions. Is anything wrong with the car, what do we need to do to make the car more period correct and so on and on. Man it felt good to see the hundreds of people come by and look at the car and alot of them tell us the stories they had with Dick and the car. Next the trip to Englishtown and the meeting with what seemed like everyone else in the world who knew anything about Dicks or anyone's funny car as far as that goes. Still wanting to find out everything we could about the car and if we had what we thought we had, we asked questions. Sometimes to the point of being afraid that these experts and racers and mechanices were getting tired of talking to us. We found out several safety items that needed to be addressed on the car, but all the experts there gave nothing but praise to the car and our hard work. This goes on for a couple more years. And I will have to say we had a blast. Looking back on everything now we could have spent a lot less time trying to make sure that we had what we thought we did. Less phone calls and travel time seeking out the experts and getting their worthless opinions and just had more fun with the car. Shoot I should have bought that other car they had for sale. We thought it was just a nobody car but heck if I could have got all these experts out there working on it there is no telling who's car I would have now. Sell it........Park it.......Set it on fire......it doesn't really matter....Life's too short for this rabbit-$hit.... Let's move on to something else.....Lets have some fun! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif |
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Good idea Mo... This train has run out of steam...
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Hopefully this email, sent out by Bill Porterfield, (who ironically has had his own battles over the DH name and his car), will help explain a few things of what was being sold, what I bought, what the seller said, etc. Even though copied to folks associated with other sites, I doubt if it will show up on any other sites, so here it is. Thanks Bill https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif
<font color="blue"> Valerie, Charlie, Matt and Tom, Just in case 'someone says what I said'.....this is what I know about the 1968 Camaro funny car that is currently a point of discussion on a few websites: While we were setting up our pit spot at the 2000 Supercar Reunion (we were ready to race at 8:30 AM and the sun was shining at the track but the event was called because of rain in the area) a guy came up to me and asked if I was interested in a Dick Harrell funny car. I asked him what year it was and he said a 1967 or 1968 model. At that time I was looking for a 1969 funny car and was also short on cash so I told him I was not interested. A few weeks later I got a call from a Mike Menter (I have previously mis-spelled the last name as 'Minter'). He told me he was the guy who had talked to me at the track regarding a funny car and asked if I was still looking for one. I told him I did not have any cash and really wanted a 1969 car. I got another call a few weeks after that....same question....same answer. In December 2000 I got the last call from Mike and he asked me if I was still looking for a car. I told him I might be interested in something and asked him what he had. He said he had a 1967 Harrell funny car but sold it to a guy in Alton, Illinois. He said he still had a 1967 Dickie Montoya Camaro funny car and a 1964 Corvette funny car. I told him I was not interested in his last two cars. I have never seen any of Menter's cars nor any photos of the cars, therefore I have no way of knowing exactly what year the subject car was or what provenance may have been attached to it. Life is toooooo short....I hope the dust can settle and everyone can just get along with each other.... Porterfield </font> Amen to the last part.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif |
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I still don't understand why they would not want the Harrell name on cars, its seems it would be good for the Harrell family and good for the hobby in general.
All this has backfired it seems. Now the name Harrell has a bad taste in peoples mouth all because of greed and politics. Personally I think the FC has nothing to do with it, if I owned the car they probably could care less. But since Tom owns it, the attacks are personal. IMO. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif |
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Here is a shot of the passenger side of the car. Note a couple of things. First the angle/size of the rocker. With the absence of Red shiny paint, IMO, does not appear to be my car, even though it is. Second, and IMO, most important, notice the area inside the red mark. The dark line, which is actually a seam, is repair work. This seam is there on both sides, still visible on the inside of the car today. This was the patch job Dave Libby pointed out to us at Etown, At the time, when Dave said the car had been damaged and then repaired, I thought he meant the usual minor damage. But a couple of nights ago, he told Mo the front end had been “clipped”. The presence of these seams indicate that this body has been “clipped”. As most of us know, when trying to sort out old racecars, prior damage and repairs is one of the things you look for. If not mistaken, another Harrell car was identified in this fashion, ZL-1 #1, as Fred Gibb know where to look for damaged areas. I think showing that my car may have been “clipped”, same as one of Dick’s, certainly lends credence to the fact that the two bodies could be the one and the same. And, since it is pretty obvious that my car has been "clipped" at some point in its racing career, makes it tough to try and compare the portion of my car from the seam forward with the same area on any other car, as who knows when, how, where or what parts from what company were used. https://www.yenko.net/attachments/179661-seam-2.JPG A close up. https://www.yenko.net/attachments/179660-seam-1.JPG [/ QUOTE ] That is some good reading Tom but I would have to disagree with your "clipped" theory. ALL '68 and '69 Camaro Funny Cars have that section on both sides of the body. This is the section where all Camaro FCs are sectioned together to lengthen them to the costomers wants. As for being clipped the I guess all FC cars were clipped before they were painted and given to the customer. This might even be a safty crash test to see if the car will hold up to being T-boned??? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif |
Re: 1967/1968 Dick Harrell funny cars
I am saddened that Mr. Libby has now changed his opinion, especially since his memory has been his best asset - your credibility is history. We are now supposed to believe that your opinion now is more reliable than several years ago? I listened at E-town while you reviewed pictures, mag articles, etc... pointing out the smallest of details, but now you change your mind and say that you simply missed an opening door? Shame on you.
Anybody wondering what the 'root cause' is for this issue? You newer guys may not be aware, but this is not the first time for this type of topic to arise. The prior discussion went down with a member making up stories for his car, with buddies who weren't there backing him up. The stories were debunked, the member was booted, and has had an axe to grind ever since. For him, this is Retribution, but if this is all you got for a 'train' - HA Somebody find that thread about the other funny car at vette fest. |
Re: 1967/1968 Dick Harrell funny cars
Thanks Marlin, this whole thing just screams of a personal attack and not the car.
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Re: 1967/1968 Dick Harrell funny cars
I have just proven that Tom has the real Harrell car.....I had my wife look at the pic's and she said it was the same car https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif..........Hasn't been wrong since we got married..........LOL............ https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif
Ken https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ouguysrock.gif Put this one to bed....... |
Re: 1967/1968 Dick Harrell funny cars
Marlin, Try Fred Gibb & Dick Harrell, Click on it and go to page 13 in page 13 there is a thread called Dick Harrell race cars. This is 28 pages long Tells about Tim's car. Also look at page 13,14,15 of that thread VERY INTERESTING READING KIM
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Re: 1967/1968 Dick Harrell funny cars
That's the one, gotta link?
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The only link Kim knows is the one on his breakfast plate... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif
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Re: 1967/1968 Dick Harrell funny cars
no, that's links - plural!
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I think you need to change your page defaults to look like this to find the pages he is talking about..you have to go to My Home first and these 2 need to say 10....I think
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Re: 1967/1968 Dick Harrell funny cars
Well, after going back through that old thread I think it's explained pretty well by Dave. The Kirby car was the backup car for DH and they even had it painted the same(except for Jim Kirby on the front fenders, maybe his name was removed when Dick or Charley raced the car). There was only 1 68 Dick Harrell funny car along with the Jim Kirby and Burnansky(sp?) car. But Dick's car went through several different paint jobs throughout the season which is why it looks like 2 different cars. Dave thought Tom had the 1 and only Dick Harrell 68 funny car but without the opening door it appears he doesn't. From what I understand in reading through those posts there never were 4 cars and that DH only had 1 car. Case closed?
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