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That's a first for me Berger, I honestly don't know what the list of 107 is for. Must have been another PM you got that info from! I saw that your vin was on the list of 107, but we're not sure if it's on the list of 54 since we don't have that full list. However, Vince does, and if he has your VIN then it's a good indicator that it is on the 54 list, probably a SPAN car, and probably not sold out of Yenko.

My contention is that the list of 54 was for commission payment purposes that were due to SPAN, and therefore may not include those cars sold via sYc - ie; non-SPAN cars. As for the 107 count? I don't really even have any theories on it, nor do I know anything about Dodge dealer pressure?

Good luck, and keep searching https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

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What exactly does this list of 107 mean ? Especially if there are 6 cyl VIN's as has been said previously ? Are we to assume that all of these 107 were 427 cars ? And is there any way to actually prove that ? How do people know that this list is a list of Super Cars ?

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I cannot speak for others, but here is what I have.

The list of 107 '67 VINs is actually 106 VINs, as at the bottom of the page is a note pointing out where one number was listed twice. This notation was by DY.

All of the VINs on the list are for V8s.

At the top of the page is typed YENKO SUPER CAMAROS. One sheet is the original and another one is a copy, with notes in pink by DMM. Along with the sheets are several hand written lists with notations, as well as a print out from Chevrolet listing info for 35 of the cars. In addition is a copy of a sheet of info that appears to be cars sold through Span. Some of these cars are listed as 450 HP and others as 410HP.

Is this list valid? All I can say is, these documents, along with numerous others, were purchased from the Yenko estate and are contained in a folder that has a Yenko label on it with "Confidential, YENKO SUPER CAMARO "427" SALES AND DEALER INFORMATION".

And I have yet to see a VIN from a documented '67 Yenko not appear on this list. Actually the opposite, with documented cars not appearing on the original list of 54, but showing up on this one.

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Tom, do you have a copy of the letter to Wally Parks from Don Yenko dated Aug 7, 1967 where Don writes about 107 Camaros (1967) 150 Stingers, and 600 1968 Yenko Super Camaros?

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also is the vin YS#604 N185034 on the list of 106 cars?

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Marlin, Just read this post I kind of remember one of my Insurance co. paid off for a stolen camaro with that same serial# So I guess it's my car YEA YEA that's it... Just kidding I would say the co. that paid it off would own it. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

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feel free if you want to pay my new premiums once she's done, https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/laugh.gif

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does anyone know what week or what vin started
the big block run at norwood in june of 67', also does any one know if any early ones left w/o a 4code like some early z's did, Exactly what does 2B in the trim code mean, is it possible for 4spd on early BBs. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Matt,
check the CRG web site
http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#67Codes
I believe 2B is 3 speed floor shift and even the very early Z/28 and L78 had a 4code (I think 4P) instead of the 4L or 4K correct codes
If your build date is 6E your vin should be more like N241xxx

I found this on a Yenko dealer network list
Central Chevrolet inc
675 memorial ave
west Springfield mass 01089

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I think the build date on the car is either 05D or 05E because I saw a car with VIN 228xxx was 05E.

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they're still in business Joe but second owner, I called they said they had no paperwork back that far but would ask around, anyone no what Parks's old black 67 yenko also out springfield chevy ys # is, I'm trying to find out if they took receipt of three yenkos at the same time in late june of 67', 1 red(mineys722), 1 blackparks(ys#?), 1? (may have also been bought by guy that bought mine for racing. Two cars for resale used in may of 68' by rudys'motors also in springfield for only 3195 for both , also one for private resale in same newspaper also in springfield for 5100, anyone now howmany 67 yenkos springfield sold that year. Also tracked today a rudys motors in seagrave ny from ad for 2 yenkos in 68' and robert shuttler was name of phone # for 5100 $ yenko then, family still lives at number but I believe he's deceased, I found a shuttlers corner in springfield, I'm wondrering if they named a park or street after him if he died in vietnam(possibly reason for sale in 68'), would any one know if this is parks' car now by any chance. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Correct, 2B = (M11) Three speed floor shifter

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Parks black car was YS#713 sold out of Central

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Park's old Black car was shipped to Central with three others. a black one and two deepwater blue ones. The typed in ship date was 7/5/67 but there was a stamped date of Aug 12 1967. Your car was not on the shipping list with Park's.

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my car was a 05e trim if I ever find it of coarse, do you have a june shipping order to central w/ 1 or two red ones on it.Wait how long did it take yenko to convert then ship a car, maybe it shipped as late as aug. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif

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One of the problems I have with the list of 107 Yenko 1967 Super Camaros is the late dates of known YS#s. There are numbers in the YS750s range with delivery dates in late Aug. 67. If Yenko’s YS7xx number did not even hit 60 by Aug. 67 I don’t see where the other 47 cars came from. (107-60=47). When researching the 107 number list I see that the first 61 numbers on the list look like they can be real Yenko 427 Camaros. The vin no. on Yenko’s batch order list fall in the first 61. The vins from 62 to 107 appear to be a random list that varies from very early cars to very late cars. I have 37 vin numbers that I believe are real Yenko 1967 Super Camaros. 35 on my vin list fall in the first 61 of 107 vins. Two of my 35 Yenko vins are not even on the 107 list. ED C. shows about 65 1967 Yenko Camaros. How many documented cars are on the list between 62-107? I don’t show any documented cars on the list between 62 and 107 but I don’t have all the numbers.

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joe do you know my ys# for sure, I was told 722, see where that number corresponds in your batch order list, also would early cars have shipped in late 66', and are you sure all the cars on the list are camaros or could they be stingers mixed in too.

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On my list of 106 '67 VINs, I have supporting evidence to back of about 60 of the numbers. These numbers are backed up by various documents that came with the list. It appears that these documents were used to compile the list and suggest that the list is indeed valid. It was because of the various sources of info used to compile the list, and how they were added to the list, which causes confusion. One must view these documents along side the 106 list to totally understand how and why the list exists.

And, if you arrange the list by VIN, lowest to highest, it is the first batch that is missing. The first 45. Why, I do not know. Maybe not assigned SYC numbers, not converted, small block cars converted, Stormers? Hopefully as more cars are discovered and documented, this and other questions will be answered. Until then, I am not going to discount any of the numbers of the list as non-Yenkos.

I know Don Yenko was known to inflate production numbers a bit, but I honestly do not believe he would "create" VIN numbers. If caught using false numbers, which would have been easy to check, could have meant big trouble for Don and Yenko Chevy.

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Any info if yenko offered L 88 heads or dual quads as an option, Guy who pulled motor says it had both on a 66' cast iron block, w/ high rise intake (sounded like an old 60s style supercharger the way he described it)....

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Can you believe we got another vin on two old bills of sale, its no where to be found on the car, 123377O24223, looks like a dash at the end on one of the bills of sale.. Any ideas what the heck this is, its a low numer(early) https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Something to think about in regards to the '67 Yenko. Berger bought the car from a Police auction, with, I am assuming, a receipt from the police. But, at that time the car had a VIN plate attached for a 6 cyl. car, not the Yenko. Thus, what he bought, and has a receipt for, would be for the 6 cyl car, not the Yenko, basically no proof he legally bought the Yenko body. And I doubt that if the police had known the car's VIN tag did not match the stamped number, they would have sold it. At least not without a ton of red tape.

So, who actually legally owns the Yenko body? Berger or the person with the title and/or the VIN/trim tags or ???? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Excellent question!

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Credit goes to Rob for the question. I did not have an answer for him, so I thought I would throw it out there and see what others thought.

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I would tend to think it's the other way around. He bought the car, not the paperwork. The fact that the paperwork is messed up means the situation needs to be corrected. As long as the original paperwork(title) for the car is not listed as a stolen vehicle, there's no reason he shouldn't be able to get the correct title issued for the car. If there's a 6 cyl Camaro driving around with the Yenko VIN and title, then that guy could be in trouble as well. I tend to think the car may never have been titled if it was built to be a race car from day 1. So somebody swapped tags so they could sell it with a title. I'm a little surprised they took the trim tag off though.

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Well here's the deal, it now has a Ma. title w/ its real vin, all numbers we ran through registry cane back clean, they allow you to title it and own it as long as its clean and you pay any back sales tax on it which we did, I got it from a Ma. dealer licensed, in this state dealers can sell cars w/o a title, the responsibility is on the private party to title it and pay sales tax, we never titled it because we never thought until now we were going to restore just use it as parts for another. The dealer actually bought it at auction or the previous owner whose cancelled ny registration from 1980 we found in the glove box, the stamp says invalid when used in conjunction w/ the affixed # s. The car comes back clean twice now on all #s associated with it, it appears it never had a title, simply raced, parted out along the way including tags, it appears now that the dealer has the orig race motor w/ dual quadsand L88 heads, he also may have the trim tag, he collects the good stuff from cars and sits on them, we hope to go over next week to finally see what he really has, he doesn't have the vin plate, that was there when he bought it and at least the previous owner in the late 70s, I have recently got in touch w/ that owner's dad in ny, I hope he can get me in touch w/ the son and possibly he can explain where the vin tag went.It appears he owned it between 77-80, and vince emmy owned it in 70-71, I'm one owner away from connecting the dots, Vince is trying to go through old paperwork to see if it had tags then I would think so but you never know, he did say he bought the car off a drag racer who only used it as such, it appears the car is exactly in the same shape as when he had it in71' minus the motor but we've located that we think, just don't know if the dealer will part w/ it, He has 6 427's from the late sixties amongst other goodies, I know another guy locally got 5 66/67 427s, some guys just sit on them , won't sell or trade, both seem to be old school drag racers so they now what they have. I still believe the car came w/ another from Rudys' auto in springfield in may of68' two yenkos for 3000, that's a good price seeing both were about 9 mths old, so I think both were dragged in late 67, and by spring 68' must of had about everything blown on them except one motor, well we're a lot closer to getting it all together, past owners have all been real helpful so far. It also appears these 2 67 yenkos traveled w/ each other from at least 68-81 into Ma. by way of ny, both orig. sold at central chevy in springfield Ma. In the end I hope to possibly find out the fate of this other yenko stablemate, obviously someoneelse nearby has an old race car too that they don't know is ayenko...Registry said I can hold the title on her as is, but if I want to put her on the ropad I'll have to get a registration which means I'll need tags, they can either give me reconstructed tags or I can hold out till I possibly track down the old ones, actually they don't care about trim tag just vin tag..I should know a lot more of her history the next two weeks. Thanks to all for your help and leads.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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front sway bar measures 15/16 not 13/16 as found on ss427s, but I believe the bar found on yenko race prep cars, does anyone have any literature on actual bar used on 67 yenkos, or 68s as it appears as a may car it did not ship till august, thanks ,

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After reading all the posts - I need a drink!!! I hope there isn't a quiz at the end... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I can't seem to follow it either, pour one for me as well!

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I'm buying the round if any one can figure this one out!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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It's easy, Berger has a Yenko, but was it a Dick Harrell Yenko or a Yenko that went through Dick Harrell's shop or a Motion modified Yenko? At least we know it's not a Nickey Berger Motion Harrell Yenko. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif Oh yeah, who's on first?

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did any other converters use a sway bar that big , are you talking possible trade?? to yenko network https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif