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Joe Yenko used more than six colors to Include Red and White on his Cannonsberg Invoiced Chevelles!

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Stefano;

I'm sorry, I just don't consider verbal recollections from 30 years ago to be enough evidence for me, whether you consider it 'empirical' evidence is your choice. I would feel much more comfortable with something in writing, and I believe that if there are this many people still around that were involved with this back in the day, they would still have something in writing to show us.

I would need a Motion car to have an MSO from Baldwin in order for me to consider it a Baldwin-Motion car. Harrell was not a dealer, there won't be any MSO's in his name, so I'm ok with the Harrell cars.

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Go Steve-o! Slap wood in'em. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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Marlin,
Ok, can I please have a Copy of the written agreements between Motion and Baldwin, All the other (other than the one you already mentioned) dealers in the Yenko Network in 1967,1968 and 1969, Nickey and Thomas, Dana and Nickey, Gibb and Yenko, Gibb and Harrell, Nickey and Harrell as well as Harrell and Yenko.

I know that their are documents to substantiate their relationships such as Invoices and Memos, but I want to see the written business plan contract and written territorial protection. I don't question the relationships just want to see what the Document that Douglass should have signed looks like, for when I go digging in his attic [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

I don't call statements from the "Horses mouth" emperical!

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Enough already. PLEASE stop the madness!!!

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I want to thank everybody that has spent time on this subject I personally would like to see it continue.All you guys that are watching this subject ain't watchin ebay!!!I got some good buys.Yahooooo [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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Have any of you guys tried to read this whole thread from post #1? I couldn't do it. My brain cracked in halffffffffffffff..... Too much to read!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

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I think Stephano is trying to get to 1100 posts before Marlin reaches 1300. That's what this is really about!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif[/img] Jim

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I don't want to say anymore about Douglas but since this thread is fired up I like to say something about Yenko. If you don't want to read this just click your mouse. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Some of you guys don't seem to appreciate what Don Yenko did. He was more then just a car dealer. There was the Yenko Chevrolet Dealership and then there was (sYc) Yenko SportsCars Inc. SYC was recognized by ACCUS as a manufacturer of production automobiles. ACCUS stands for Automotive Competition Committee of the United States. This organization did the licensing between sanctioning bodies in the U.S., and was the U.S. representative to FISA, the international auto racing coordination body. SYC manufactured cars.
Tom has a wood crate full of documents which he showed me and others at the reunion showing SYC was a manufacturer. I wish I had taken the Evelyn Wood speed reading course because there is a lot of folders in there. I read as much as I could until Tom slammed the wooden crate lid on my fingers and pried the crate away from me. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] (just kidding Tom but I would love to read through more of that stuff)
Beginning in 1965, SYC purchased base vehicles from Chevrolet for conversion, then SYC performed the conversion. The car was no longer a Chevrolet. It was a car manufactured by SYC. I am not rewriting history. This is clearly stated in the 1966 SCCA rule book where the Stinger is listed as a 2 seat sports car manufactured by SYC not by Chevrolet. It is the same with the other Yenko Cars. Tom has many documents that show this. In the document Rob C. mentions, Don stated the SYC automobile production figures which were all higher then what is known today. In one letter dated Aug. 1967 Don said he planed to increase SYC production to 600 vehicles. My point is that the cars that Don built were manufactured by SYC not by Chevrolet. Shelby did the same thing. His cars are listed in the SCCA rule book as manufactured by Shelby American not by Ford. These guys were living the American dream building their own cars and putting their name on them.
If you read an original Yenko Camaro window sticker it states "FINAL ASSEMBLY POINT CANONSBURG PENNSYLVANIA" not Norwood Ohio. It is understandable that Don would be angry if someone were to disregard his SYC process and make their own cars. It was not right back in 1969 and not right today. SYC manufactured the Yenkos not Chevrolet. IMO

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[img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif[/img] A set of stripes and badges added on 69s consumates production ? Manufacturing?

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It is understandable that Don would be angry if someonewere to disregard his SYC process and make their own cars. It was not right back in 1969 and not right today. SYC manufactured the Yenkos not Chevrolet.IMO

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Joe are you saying that Jack Douglas illegally made copys of these cars????????? [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif[/img]

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Nice buy on those Ebay S/W Gauges Copoloco...

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Why was Don angry and why did he want to fly to Douglas and kick his butt? (As per Donna Mae's memory)I guess because Don would rather have had sent the Yenkos through normal process. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/crazy.gif[/img]

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Love them S/Ws [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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Similar history with Shelby and Shelby Europa " built " by Claude Dubois. Europa [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

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Joe,
I couldn't agree with your post any more. Where we differ in opinion is that Jack Douglass was a positive part of that history, especially since he was familiar with Yenko and his exploits as a United States automobile Manufacturer and racer from the roadrace courses, where they both spent time.

The only reason the racing Stingers and Shelbys were painted white up to including 1966 is that those were the colors designated for the United States Mfgs.,like Green for the British cars and Red for the Italian Mfgs.

The L72 Iron block Super Cars are that which evolved from the efforts, ideas as well as passions of Don Yenko, just like the 428 Cobra Jet Shelby Mustangs were the eventual evolution of the first Shelby hand built race cars.

Great post!

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sYc was a manufacturer? What are you smokin, Joe? Did the titles say Chev or sYc? Yenko was a transplanter/modifier/converter but by no means a manufacturer. Did he have an assembly line and build these cars from the ground up?????? I have read every post in this thread and thought most were informative or at least had some kind of validity, but you, sir are way the HELL out there! GM made the damn cars, Yenko converted them. A retraction is in order!

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What he said was SYC manufactured the YENKOS not the Camaro itself....and I agree.

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Joe I still do not understand how it was illegal. It has been established through this 170 post thread that they had SOME type of aggreement may it have been spoken, written, etc. They had agreed that it would be permitted as long as Don recieved a royalty.

As far as what you said about Don being a legit manufactuer like a GM, Ford, Chrysler that is nuts. You might as well consider the companys in Elkhart IN. that convert passenger vans manufacturers as well.

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Belair, manufactured is not a relative term. You either build it or you convert it. So what you are saying is that Yenkos aren't Chevys? Please stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Joe,
Another very good question. I would think that we can agree that Don and Vince Piggins had come to an understanding that he would retail at least 500 Camaros through his sYc network. This was a very potentially lucrative situation for Don. I would aslo speculate that they had conversations about dealer direct orders and that Don's head start and marketing campaign should be a huge advantage. But, if any dealer were to inquire they would be given the necessary paremeters to order only that which they inquired about per the "Parts Sales and Service Agreement" Which governs the Dealer Mfg relationship for all Chevrolet Dealers. Marlin, I have never seen Yenkos agreement to purchase and sell COPOs from GM as Yenkos, but he did do it.

It appears that Jack Douglass was the only dealer to challenge the process as Don had lead him to believe that there was no other way to obtain the special cars.

If I had been in Don's shoes the thought of all my ideas and work going out the window would have made me upset at the outset. It is also material that Jack and Don agreed that part of their deal was that Jack would not disclose the order procedure and direct availability of the cars to anyone else.

This is why any L72 Super car has direct ties to Yenko, he is the father of the Super Car COPOs.

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SCCA recognized Yenko Sportscars Inc. as a manufacturer
ACCUS recognized Yenko Sportscars Inc. as a manufacturer
Original Yenko window sticker states "FINAL ASSEMBLY POINT CANONSBURG PENNSYLVANIA
Tom has the paperwork and it is not one piece but many.
I never said and do not believe that the Douglas cars are illegal. I just don't think they are exactly the same as the other Yenkos. They are great cars just as all hi po Chevrolets are.

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"FINAL ASSEMBLY, CANNONSBERG PA" Is that on the actual GM window sticker or on what we call in the car biz an addendum(SP?) which is a dealer generated supplamental window sticker that reflects any adds or conversion done on a specific vehicle?

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JoeC, spin it however you like and whether those racing organizations recognized Yenko as a manufacturer or not doesn't make him one. One last time...Yenko was NOT a manufacturer, he was a converter. I am the one that originally rated this thread as five star,now I wish it would just go away. GM built the cars. Period.

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BTW Stefano, even in 1969 the 400.00 per car profit that Don may or may not have received (no proof has been given other than your hearsay from Jack) was probably less than what Don made selling the average new car off his lot. I don't think that $8800 was gonna make him a rich man.

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hvychevy, I guarantee you that was not a GM window sticker.

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I want to clearify that I agree with Joe in that per the SCCA both sYc and Shelby American,Inc. qualified per the given definition of a mfg, This amounted to a 100 unit minimum production figure for both sYc and Shelby American, Inc. It was a monumental accomplishment for any Car dealer.

All the 1969 Models sold by Don Yenko have Chevrolet motor Division as the MFG, not sYc. The proper term would be conversions for the Cannonsberg cars.

All this stuff is getting to me as I spead through the post. I was specifically referring to the Stingers and the Shelby's built in model year 1966.

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Its getting kind of fun picking fly shi* out of pepper ain't it !

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Who would you say manufactured the Yenko Stinger? It had to be a 2 seat sports car to race in D Production class. The Corvair was illegal for this class because it was not a 2 seater. You had to have a Yenko Stinger manufactured by SYC. Chevrolet new this and helped Yenko by supplying the base car. This is why the YS number tag is such a big deal for the Stinger. You need it to race.

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Remember how Peter Jennings from ABC news durring the Spetember 11th tragedy was always on the tele every time you turned it on back then? (I know it is a bad comparison) That is how I see poor Stefano right now. This guy has probably not slept since Sunday! Stefano please sit on your couch and have a margarita. IT ALWAYS WORKS FOR ME! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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Where did you guys go? I was ready for more. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/shocked.gif[/img]

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Thats it...you guys are no fun anymore....I'm taking my Lillard* Chevelle and going home.

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Stefano, if what you are purporting to be true, the fact that Jack would not disclose the COPO ordering process to other dealers was part of the agreement, than you will never find this agreement in writing. Think about it. So all you are ever going to have is your conversations with Jack and your car will never be recognized as a Yenko, only a Douglass COPO. If you paid too much for your car, live with it.
Joe, where did Yenko get his Stingers from? Were they originally Corvairs? Yes or no? Does taking a rear seat out and making other modifications make you a manufacturer? When Don bought the cars from GM did it list Yenko on the MSO as manufacturer? You are trying to prove a point that can't be proven. Yenko was a Chevrolet dealer, was he not? Show me one (1) just one, MSO on a Yenko stinger, Camaro, Chevelle or Nova that states sYc or Yenko as the original manufacturer and I will owe you an apology, until that time, my case rests.

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WOW!! I wish the reunion was in a week!!

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Stefano the sLc (Lillard Sports Cars) organization in Cali is wipping up a nice batch of Magragitas for you right now!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

BTW where did this Buckingham guy come from anyways? [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/crazy.gif[/img]

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Yenko didn't manufacture the whole car but neither did Chevy.

I will fix my post

SCCA recognized Yenko Sportscars Inc. as a manufacturer
ACCUS recognized Yenko Sportscars Inc. as a manufacturer
<font color="red"> 69rsss350 does not recognized Yenko Sportscars Inc. as a manufacturer
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Joe, once again you have made my point for me "Chevrolet supplied Don with the base cars". Don then CONVERTED them.

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Frank
quote <font color="blue"> BTW where did this ********** guy come from anyways? " </font color> end quote

Are you refering to ***** *******? Don't tell me 69rss350 has been posting again? On this thread?
I have had him on my blocked list for quite some time now, I don't see any of his posts [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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Joe, do the VIN numbers on these cars designate sYc or Yenko as manufacturer or Chevrolet. It is not a case of whether I recognize these entities but whether or not they are legally and universally regognized as General Motor Chevrolet Division "manufactured" cars. I really don't choose to disqualify your opinion on who "manufactured" these cars any further, so this will be my last post on the manufacturing issue...unless of course you choose to embarass yourself further. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img]

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What commercial is it that says ,WE DON'T MAKE IT WE JUST MAKE IT BETTER? <font color="blue"> YENKO CHEVROLET </font color>