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Lee Stewart 03-22-2020 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Unreal (Post 1490059)
OK, who wants to be the first to volunteer their business/job.

Where I live there are 3 Dollar Tree stores. 6 miles separate the 3. And please stop stirring the pot. Let's hear what you have to say about the CV-19 pandemic.

Lee Stewart 03-22-2020 09:46 AM

Got this E-Mail yesterday evening:

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70 copo 03-22-2020 02:01 PM

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First off.

Lee I need to apologize to you. Lee is a good guy who is sharing his views on the world and I now understand why Lee believes as he does.

I think It is important that we stay tight as a group and not engage in disagreements where one or both of us are being manipulated by what we see, read or hear.

I pissed off several of you here with a statement I made in the previous thread where I posted that I believed that the crisis was a another media hoax, and by the way I still stand by that statement 100%.

But know this; The virus is not the hoax-It is very real.

Lee Don't get mad. I want to make a point and I am going to use you as an example so stay with me please.

Lee is scared of getting sick and I do not blame him one bit. Lee is also tracking the news from his PC selected news aggregation suite MS Edge. Edge is Lee's browser and also his home page is where He gets his access to news.

This means for the most part Lee is seeing the news from an angle selected by someone else.

The first thing I do with any Phone tablet or computer is discard the installed news feeds.

The coverage of the virus is the key in manipulation of the public. The perception of the news event is the issue in play each and every day and that is the battle for hearts and minds. Once one or the other in convinced of the story we all tend to self isolate in the theme of the news that best fits our established perception. In other words we fall into the age old "rut".

Here is a chart explaining the "sausage making" of the news. Were we all differ is our Perception.

70 copo 03-22-2020 02:07 PM

So lets examine

Kahneman, D., Tversky, A.: Choices, values, and frames. Am. Psychol. 39(4), 341 (1984)

I recall this from School and it is instructive because it used a mythical virus as an examination of presentation bias:

Assume a scenario in which a population of 600 people is endangered by an outbreak of a virus. In a first survey, Kahneman and Tversky asked participants which option they would choose:

A.
200 people be will be saved.

B.
66% chance that 600 people will be saved. 33% chance that no one will be saved.

In the first survey, 72% of the participants chose A, and 26% chose B. Afterward, a second survey was conducted that objectively represents the exact same choices, but here the options to choose from were framed in terms of likely deaths rather than lives saved.

C.
400 people will die.

D.
66% chance that no one will die. 33% chance that 600 people will die.

In this case, the preference of participants was reversed. 22% of the participants chose C, and 72% chose D. The results of the survey thus demonstrated that framing alone, that is, the way in which information is presented, has the ability to draw attention to either the negative or the positive aspects of an issue.


In summary, the effects of media bias are manifold and especially dangerous when individuals are unaware of the occurrence of bias.

The concentration of the majority of mass media in the hands of a few corporations amplifies the potential impact of media bias and individual news outlets even further and that's often why we sit here and bicker with each other.

Lee Stewart 03-22-2020 03:17 PM

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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Lee Stewart 03-22-2020 03:31 PM

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markinnaples 03-22-2020 03:45 PM

YouTube/TED

When Bill Gates was asked this week what the world should do to stop another pandemic, he pointed to a 2015 talk where he described just that.

Gates then said that the world needs to invest in better health systems, increase international collaboration, keep trained medical staff in reserve, and invest in vaccine research.

He said failing to do that, particularly for a virus with characteristics like the new coronavirus, could cost millions of lives and trillions of dollars.

His comments seem prescient with the coronavirus now in 160 countries, hammering the global economy, and responsible more in excess of 9,000 deaths.

Gates said in 2015 that the world was not prepared for an epidemic, and urged: "We need to get going. Because time is not on our side."

Since then the US instead cut some of its virus programs.

Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

This week, as the coronavirus pandemic worsened, Bill Gates pointed to a 2015 TED talk he gave when people asked him what the world should do now to stop anything similar happening again.

https://news.yahoo.com/heres-bill-ga...DGPjk0Eo3KDSYQ

StealthBird 03-22-2020 03:46 PM

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Why has Italy been hit so hard? While at first this sounded like Fake News, this is actually real.

In 2013, Italy signed an agreement with China called the "Belt And Road Initiative", also known as the 'Silk Road". Because of Italy's poor economy and high unemployment, they agreed to have Chinese workers build roads in Italy, using financing from Chinese banks, that would benefit Chinese trade routes. This move was widely criticized by members of the G-7 because it was another move by China in their ultimate goal for world domination. But because Italy was in the midst of an economic crisis, they signed on.

Chinese workers, mostly from Wuhan, made daily flights to and from Italy with many relocating their families in the process. When the first case of COVID-19 broke out in January 2020, the U.S. and Italy announced travel restrictions on China.

The CDC and WHO proposed isolating Chinese people coming from the epicenter in Italy. The Italian government balked at the idea because singling out travelers from China would be construed as racist.

On February 1st, Dario Nardella, Mayor of Florence, Italy, initiated a ‘Hug a Chinese’ campaign on Twitter. "We follow the directions of the health authorities and we use caution, but no psychological terrorism," Mayor Dario Nardella said in a tweet announcing the initiative while blasting those he said "could not wait to use this excuse to hate and insult."

So videos were taken of happy Italians hugging Chinese people on the streets of Florence, Milan, and other cities.

Obviously, this was a bad call by the mayor of Florence, but this act, along with the fact that Italy has the oldest population in Europe, and elders were not aware of the virus until it was too late, is why Italy has the greatest number of COVID-19 cases, and the highest death toll per capita.

SBR 03-22-2020 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by StealthBird (Post 1490120)
Why has Italy been hit so hard? While at first this sounded like Fake News, this is actually real.

In 2013, Italy signed an agreement with China called the "Belt And Road Initiative", also known as the 'Silk Road". Because of Italy's poor economy and high unemployment, they agreed to have Chinese workers build roads in Italy, using financing from Chinese banks, that would benefit Chinese trade routes. This move was widely criticized by members of the G-7 because it was another move by China in their ultimate goal for world domination. But because Italy was in the midst of an economic crisis, they signed on.

Chinese workers, mostly from Wuhan, made daily flights to and from Italy with many relocating their families in the process. When the first case of COVID-19 broke out in January 2020, the U.S. and Italy announced travel restrictions on China.

The CDC and WHO proposed isolating Chinese people coming from the epicenter in Italy. The Italian government balked at the idea because singling out travelers from China would be construed as racist.

On February 1st, Dario Nardella, Mayor of Florence, Italy, initiated a ‘Hug a Chinese’ campaign on Twitter. "We follow the directions of the health authorities and we use caution, but no psychological terrorism," Mayor Dario Nardella said in a tweet announcing the initiative while blasting those he said "could not wait to use this excuse to hate and insult."

So videos were taken of happy Italians hugging Chinese people on the streets of Florence, Milan, and other cities.

Obviously, this was a bad call by the mayor of Florence, but this act, along with the fact that Italy has the oldest population in Europe, and elders were not aware of the virus until it was too late, is why Italy has the greatest number of COVID-19 cases, and the highest death toll per capita.

So the gist is that being PC with open borders sealed their fate. I know there's a lesson to be learned there but it will probably fall on deaf ears with the fine folks at DC. Stay safe everyone.

Lee Stewart 03-22-2020 06:04 PM

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ROME, March 22 (Reuters) - The death toll from an outbreak of coronavirus in Italy has risen by 651 to 5,476, officials said on Sunday, an increase of 13.5% but down on Saturday's figure when some 793 people died.

The total number of cases in Italy rose to 59,138 from a previous 53,578, an increase of 10.4%, the Civil Protection Agency said -- the lowest rise in percentage terms since the contagion came to light on Feb. 21.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...cid=spartandhp

Mr70 03-22-2020 06:10 PM

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This is what it's been like around Northern Illinois this week.

70 copo 03-22-2020 06:14 PM

Russians going to Italy:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...oll-rises.html

Lee Stewart 03-22-2020 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart (Post 1490053)
Connecticut and New Jersey have joined with NY, IL and CA for all residents to Shelter-In-Place.

Nevada just joined this group of states

Lee Stewart 03-22-2020 06:27 PM

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Omni Hotel - Dallas, TX

Tabu2 03-22-2020 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart (Post 1490110)

This is a horrendous drug with horrendous side effects!!

Lee Stewart 03-23-2020 01:40 AM

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70 copo 03-23-2020 02:07 AM

The ramp up has started. Fingers crossed.

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70 copo 03-23-2020 11:34 AM

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I think we are already seeing what the recovery looks like:

It is going to hinge on the real lethality numbers and the recovery rate.

As of today recovery is now up to 98%. This means the virus is not living up to the hype.

70 copo 03-23-2020 12:04 PM

A potential approach from Israel

Watch the video. Interesting.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/74751278.cms

Lee Stewart 03-23-2020 12:10 PM

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You have to see the entire picture

I posted that yesterday at 9:17 AM. Now 6:10 AM

70 copo 03-23-2020 12:16 PM

Lee,

I understand. Watch closely as the government exits the extent of condition evaluation and moves into recovery.

We should see some indications of the direction today at the Task Force briefing.

Lee Stewart 03-23-2020 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 70 copo (Post 1490294)
Lee,

I understand. Watch closely as the government exits the extent of condition evaluation and moves into recovery.

We should see some indications of the direction today at the Task Force briefing.

I have pretty much lost all confidence in our government to handle this pandemic properly. And we are going to see unemployment sky rocket into the millions. I see no recovery on the horizon. Just more bad news each day.

The severity of the pandemic is shown on a hourly/daily basis but the fight takes weeks. For example: ventilators. One of the manufacturers (Phillips) said it will ramp up production and should be able to give a 4X increase . . . in EIGHT WEEKS!

The crisis is no longer with Joe Public being sheltered in place and businesses closed. It's the failure of our health care systems to deal with the sick. They are being overwhelmed. The death rate keeps climbing!

Lee Stewart 03-23-2020 12:31 PM

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Crowds packed California beaches despite shelter in place order. People are seen on the beach on March 21, 2020 in Huntington Beach, California.

Steve Shauger 03-23-2020 12:38 PM

Lee we all get you perspective and opinion. Lets take a break with the minute by minute bad news.


Tabu2 you've only joined this SITE to discuss one thing and only the negative.


We all have internet and TV. This will pass and the sooner we all start thinking positive, the better off we will all be.


Follow the government guidelines and please assist those with risk factors. Donate those items needed to assist hospitals and the elderly.

Crush 03-23-2020 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Shauger (Post 1490300)
Lee we all get you perspective and opinion. Lets take a break with the minute by minute bad news.


Tabu2 you've only joined this to discuss one thing and only the negative.


We all have internet and TV. This will pass and the sooner we all start thinking positive, the better off we will all be.

Well said Steve!
We WILL get through this!

markinnaples 03-23-2020 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Shauger (Post 1490300)
Lee we all get you perspective and opinion. Lets take a break with the minute by minute bad news.


Tabu2 you've only joined this SITE to discuss one thing and only the negative.


We all have internet and TV. This will pass and the sooner we all start thinking positive, the better off we will all be.


Follow the government guidelines and please assist those with risk factors. Donate those items needed to assist hospitals and the elderly.

Wish I could give this post "stars" or something. Well stated Steve, and as I heard earlier on the radio, we need to make sure that the cure isn't worse than the disease, which is good to remember as we sink in deeper. Appreciate this site and all the work everyone does to keep it as one of the best sites on the internet, thanks Steve and everyone else.

JoeC 03-23-2020 02:07 PM

interesting uplifting article

https://www.benzinga.com/news/20/03/...ng-coronavirus

WILMASBOYL78 03-23-2020 03:32 PM

National Anthem I-Heart
 
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Just got a message from I-Heart Media about a noon time event with the National Anthem.

Here it is:

We hope this email finds you well. In these challenging times, we want to take a moment of solidarity to celebrate our collective strength as a nation and recognize the heroic efforts of so many workers on the frontline – including our doctors, nurses, health care professionals, caregivers and other critical responders who are working night and day to get us through this. TODAY, Monday, March 23, iHeartMedia will honor the resilience of Americans by encouraging the masses to unite through the healing power of music as our 850+ radio stations and formats across the country air a version of the National Anthem at 12pm noon local time.

We want to send our heartfelt thoughts, concern and support to any family who may need it as we face these tough times together as a country.

We hope you will tune in and help spread the word.

I-Heart Radio

https://www.iheart.com/


Steve Shauger 03-23-2020 05:31 PM

The posts are now getting personal and political. Lets focus on the mission of the site:


Dedicated to the Promotion and Preservation of American Muscle Cars, Dealer built Supercars and COPO cars.

I think everyone that wanted to contribute has, and I appreciate everyone's comments and opinions to a "POINT ", but we are past that! Lets get back to our cars!!!!


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