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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAR6569</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: luzl78</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAR6569</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's cool it was from the Buffalo zone. Typically, the zone office was the charge to dealer and the car was shipped to a local deal for the new car prep work. Usually were cars ordered by zone reps or owners of dealers. If the file on your car showed zone 12, dealer 0....then are these records actually the dealer (location) charged instead of where it was shipped? (Most were the same)
Not sure I've ever seen a car shipped directly to the zone office as per the docs. Warren </div></div>the 2nd dealer was not a local dealer near the zone </div></div>350 miles How far away was it from Buffalo? </div></div> |
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Hmmm.... Maybe after it was sold used to the first retail owner, that owner traded it in at the 2nd hi perf dealership you mentioned
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Can someone show a photo of this Document,
You can blank out the important info. Just curious to see if it looks exactly like the corvette ones or not. |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAR6569</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hmmm.... Maybe after it was sold used to the first retail owner, that owner traded it in at the 2nd hi perf dealership you mentioned </div></div>i don't know if the person who ordered it at the buffalo zone office traded it in at the 2nd dealership that was 6 hrs away?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAR6569</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KevinW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just received my letter, I do not know whether to laugh or cry [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/frown.gif[/img]
6/23/69, Dealer code 1, Zone 79 (Hawaii), Dealer Name: GM overseas Distribution Now what the heck am I supposed to do with that! I bought the car in north NJ in 82 and it had a Seton Hall University sticker on the window. This car really traveled! LA to Hawaii to NJ!!! </div></div> There was a GM Overseas Division based out of New York City or that area. I think they had offices in multiple areas but the main one was in NY. I had a pop from a 67 Balto Chevelle and the dealer stamp was from the NY office and the owner lived in Wisconsin. I've seen a Chevelle build sheet that was charged to the same office then shipped to a dealer in the tri-state area. It's quite possible the info they gave you was who the car was charged to but it may have been shipped to a NJ dealer. </div></div> The middle of 69, NOR was producing plenty of Camaros, If someone wanted one from NJ, it would have come from NOR IMHO. But someone from Hawaii would have gotten one from Van Nuys. That part makes sense to me, but the next step in my search eludes me. |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XXXBlackLs6M22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can someone show a photo of this Document,
You can blank out the important info. Just curious to see if it looks exactly like the corvette ones or not. </div></div> This post has pic of one. http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.p....180;topicseen |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: luzl78</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAR6569</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hmmm.... Maybe after it was sold used to the first retail owner, that owner traded it in at the 2nd hi perf dealership you mentioned </div></div>i don't know if the person who ordered it at the buffalo zone office traded it in at the 2nd dealership that was 6 hrs away? </div></div>
Well the car was probably originally driven by some executive then after 3K miles or so, the car was offered to a local dealership that sold it to "the first retail owner". Maybe that owner moved 6 hours away. |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAR6569</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: luzl78</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAR6569</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hmmm.... Maybe after it was sold used to the first retail owner, that owner traded it in at the 2nd hi perf dealership you mentioned </div></div>i don't know if the person who ordered it at the buffalo zone office traded it in at the 2nd dealership that was 6 hrs away? </div></div>
Well the car was probably originally driven by some executive then after 3K miles or so, the car was offered to a local dealership that sold it to "the first retail owner". Maybe that owner moved 6 hours away. </div></div> Could have even gone to a dealer auction after the xxxxx miles, much like a lease car does today and been picked up by a dealer or individual. |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAR6569</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: luzl78</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAR6569</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hmmm.... Maybe after it was sold used to the first retail owner, that owner traded it in at the 2nd hi perf dealership you mentioned </div></div>i don't know if the person who ordered it at the buffalo zone office traded it in at the 2nd dealership that was 6 hrs away? </div></div>
Well the car was probably originally driven by some executive then after 3K miles or so, the car was offered to a local dealership that sold it to "the first retail owner". Maybe that owner moved 6 hours away. </div></div>original dealer name plate from 6 hrs away was on the car |
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do you know if that dealer was in the Buffalo Zone? I'm guessing it wasn't
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No. The car evidently went from the zone office in buffalo to the 2nd dealer 6hrs away. I don't know when that occurred and I'll probably will never know . Love following and finding out the history of the cars, especially special ordered high performance ones.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KevinW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAR6569</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KevinW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just received my letter, I do not know whether to laugh or cry [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/frown.gif[/img]
6/23/69, Dealer code 1, Zone 79 (Hawaii), Dealer Name: GM overseas Distribution Now what the heck am I supposed to do with that! I bought the car in north NJ in 82 and it had a Seton Hall University sticker on the window. This car really traveled! LA to Hawaii to NJ!!! </div></div> There was a GM Overseas Division based out of New York City or that area. I think they had offices in multiple areas but the main one was in NY. I had a pop from a 67 Balto Chevelle and the dealer stamp was from the NY office and the owner lived in Wisconsin. I've seen a Chevelle build sheet that was charged to the same office then shipped to a dealer in the tri-state area. It's quite possible the info they gave you was who the car was charged to but it may have been shipped to a NJ dealer. </div></div> The middle of 69, NOR was producing plenty of Camaros, If someone wanted one from NJ, it would have come from NOR IMHO. But someone from Hawaii would have gotten one from Van Nuys. That part makes sense to me, but the next step in my search eludes me. </div></div> I believe due to a strike the LOS plant stopped production prior to June of 69, so the Norwood plant would have been the only source. I know of many Norwood built cars sold in California in the June time frame. I have the specifics of why and when the Los plant shut down somewhere. |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KevinW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XXXBlackLs6M22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can someone show a photo of this Document,
You can blank out the important info. Just curious to see if it looks exactly like the corvette ones or not. </div></div> This post has pic of one. http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.p....180;topicseen </div></div> I have seen that Corvette one before, just want to see if the Camaro or Chevelle ones are a little different. Can someone post a photo from a Chevelle. |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1969l78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone have any info on Auran Chevrolet, in Minot ND?
Thanks Roy and the NCRS the the great info!!!! </div></div> Auran was the Chevrolet dealer in Minot, ND years ago. They sponsored a class legal 66 SS396 L-78 chevelle back in 1966 and 1967. Later sold and named Jim Ryan Chevrolet. Auran sold a lot of muscle cars in Minot because of the large air base located north of town. |
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Why are they missing the '69 Camaro's produced from 9N508855 to 9N587275? Wonder if those will ever be found.......
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Steve, My Car is actually one of the 900 or so, LA strike cars (built after the strike ended with parts on hand). The TT is 05A and in my research, I had figured mine would be close to the front when they restarted the plant sometime in June. The 6/23/69 ship date proves this. I would be surprised if an order by a serviceman would have been held up a month by the strike, when they could have sourced it from NOR, but stranger things could have happened.
If you have more info on the strike you wish to share, it would be much appreciated. |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bigsixman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1969l78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone have any info on Auran Chevrolet, in Minot ND?
Thanks Roy and the NCRS the the great info!!!! </div></div> Auran was the Chevrolet dealer in Minot, ND years ago. They sponsored a class legal 66 SS396 L-78 chevelle back in 1966 and 1967. Later sold and named Jim Ryan Chevrolet. Auran sold a lot of muscle cars in Minot because of the large air base located north of town. </div></div> Thanks for the info. Looks like from what I saw on line the owner died in a car crash in 73 and then was bought buy Ryan and still in business today' |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Drew Papsun</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paceme</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I received mine today #32 & 34 yes!!!!!, well sort of. I now have the zones, but the dealer info is limited.
Car 1 provided Zone 15 Dealer 339, but dealer name and address records are insufficient.. So if anyone has info on that zone and dealer it would be appreciated. Produced 9/8/69 My other car is zone 11 Dealer 372 and list dealer as Max Meyers Motors in Middlebury , IN. Now when I go to their data base and plug the #'s its show McManus Chevy, Chicago , IL 1970. Produced 4/2/69 I really appreciate the information, but for me the dealer info is inconclusive. Thanks again Roy, and good luck to others searching for dealer info. BTW if anyone else has info on the zones listed above, I would appreciate that. Hello Steve, I have some information from 1977 of zone 15 dealer 339. Jay Chevrolet 301 South Burntmill Road Voorhees, NJ 08043 I can not tell you this is the same information for the year of 1969. Regards, Drew Papsun </div></div> </div></div> Drew, thank you I just received a second confirmation that my was delivered to Jay Chevrolet. Now I do feel like a 10 year old kid on Christmas morning. The search continues for me and all my fellow passionate enthusiast seeking delivery and ownership history on their cars. My understanding is that zones and dealer # changed rather routinely for a variety of reason so its critical that you tie the delivery date with the zone and dealer information. A good example is my Indy Pace Car produced on 4/2/69 shipped to zone 11 Dealer 372, Max Meyers Chevrolet, IN and this same zone and dealer # changed in 1970 to McManus Cheverolet, IL. I'm learning like everyone else but it appears as zone reps changed and/or were promoted their territories changed which affected the zone and dealer #'s. |
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Do we want to start a separate thread that people list their Zone-dealer info ? Not the car, just the zone info.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do we want to start a separate thread that people list their Zone-dealer info ? Not the car, just the zone info. </div></div>
I would.. Photos of the dealerships would be cool too -to the extent they can be found. |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 copo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do we want to start a separate thread that people list their Zone-dealer info ? Not the car, just the zone info. </div></div>
I would.. Photos of the dealerships would be cool too -to the extent they can be found. </div></div> Good idea Charley. BTW Jay Chevrolet is now a mini self-storage facility [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img] |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MosportGreen66</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Our Z is 9N5275xx... such a shame no data exists!
Thanks for your attempt Roy. Dan</div></div> Yes Dan, I guess you and I and our early cars are out of luck. |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do we want to start a separate thread that people list their Zone-dealer info ? Not the car, just the zone info. </div></div>
Rob started one 11 years ago here. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbt...e/Dealer_codes |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do we want to start a separate thread that people list their Zone-dealer info ? Not the car, just the zone info. </div></div>
I believe at least one Corvette site has done this and has a database with alot of Chevy dealerships. I don't recall which site however. |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mockingbird812</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do we want to start a separate thread that people list their Zone-dealer info ? Not the car, just the zone info. </div></div>
I believe at least one Corvette site has done this and has a database with alot of Chevy dealerships. I don't recall which site however. </div></div> http://www.ncrs.org/dealercodes.php Verne |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Verne_Frantz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mockingbird812</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do we want to start a separate thread that people list their Zone-dealer info ? Not the car, just the zone info. </div></div>
I believe at least one Corvette site has done this and has a database with alot of Chevy dealerships. I don't recall which site however. </div></div> http://www.ncrs.org/dealercodes.php Verne </div></div> That is the database I've used for years. In fact I just input the two dealerships with zones I received yesterday. Unfortunately that database has no controls that I'm aware of, so there could be data accuracy issues. Take for instance someone buys a car with a fake buildsheet and the new owner enters the data from the sheet. Well now the database has been corrupted. With that said I've used it for years and find it very useful, but be aware the data is not perfect. |
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I can't wait to get my results, even Benjamin at age 12 is getting excited to finally learn if his Nova is from Sunderland Chevrolet like we think. I'm thinking it could also be from Sutliff or Ammon R Smith....
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just received the paperwork today thanks roy and ncrs for the great service! ,does anyone have any info on yd keyser inc Lansdale, pa. ??
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I just did a google search and td keyser keeps popping up maybe it was spelled wrong in the report?
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It was TD Keyser Chevrolet. It was on South Broad Street in Lansdale, Pa. About 15 minutes from me. It's a banquet center now .
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My Van nuys Lm1 supposedly spent its entire life in southern ca. Can't wait to see where it was first delivered. I'm # 792
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mikes12zl1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My Van nuys Lm1 supposedly spent its entire life in southern ca. Can't wait to see where it was first delivered. I'm # 792 </div></div>
Be sure to post when you get your info because I'm #849. Can't wait to see the price of license plate frames go up. - Mike |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: supercomp 8.90</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just did a google search and td keyser keeps popping up maybe it was spelled wrong in the report? </div></div>
T & Y is next to each other on the keyboard, someone with thick fingers... |
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thanks for the info judge, you may be right jan lol! I wonder if they sold any copos in 69? I looked through my copo dealers lists nothing there.
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I've had a couple of pops from that dealer. Maybe they can send you a new sheet with the correct spelling
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My 70 L78 Nova came from Sutliff, spoke to Greg Sutliff personally a few years ago and he said most, if not all, the paperwork for the 60's, 70's cars was in a nearby warehouse. He hired a kid to sort it out, but the kid chucked it in the dumpster according to Greg. He was not happy
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRSully</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My 70 L78 Nova came from Sutliff, spoke to Greg Sutliff personally a few years ago and he said most, if not all, the paperwork for the 60's, 70's cars was in a nearby warehouse. He hired a kid to sort it out, but the kid chucked it in the dumpster according to Greg. He was not happy </div></div>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paceme</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rixls6</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OK, now the car I really wanted the information on is my 1969 rs/z. I originally purchased it in 1977. Dealer 339 Zone 15. Someone must have a car purchased from this mysterious dealer. I purchased the car in the Cherry Hill, NJ area .</div></div>
I looked at many sheets from Baltimore built Chevelles, and all the zone 15 cars were dealers in NJ or PA, mostly PA. </div></div> I just did a little research on McManus, looks like they changed quite a bit Gillespie, Kingdom. I'll pm to discuss further. </div></div> Steve, here is a couple of pieces of McManus Chevrolet memorabilia from my collection. They were located at 6711 S. Western Ave. on Chicago's south side. They did NOT become Guillespe or Kingdom. Tony Piet Pontiac was located a block away at 6603-6637 S. Western Ave. Gullespe opened up at THAT location and when Guillespe closed down Kingdom opened there. So I guess those stores succeeded McManus' ticket but NOT the location. The item on the bottom is a mirror visor thingie. http://i.imgur.com/eXcjo40.jpg http://i.imgur.com/JnBvjdK.jpg |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRSully</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My 70 L78 Nova came from Sutliff, spoke to Greg Sutliff personally a few years ago and he said most, if not all, the paperwork for the 60's, 70's cars was in a nearby warehouse. He hired a kid to sort it out, but the kid chucked it in the dumpster according to Greg. He was not happy </div></div>
Man that's a bizarre story if it's true. Too bad as there a number of Sutliff cars still out there. I also seem to find Sutliff pops at Carlisle |
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Supercomp, the only reason I know is my Uncle had a 66 SS Impala that he bought from TD new. I am seeing him this week and will ask if he still has the dealer paperwork envelope and anything else. He is known to keep stuff. Will keep you posted
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