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Re: The Flying Dutchman 2014 New Thread!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bbbenny</div><div class="ubbcode-body">John, I;m running the same heads I had on the first motor. Strikeforce alum head. My engine guy said they work, good for the money. Nothing done no port or polishing. Bolt on and go! Thanks The Dutchman </div></div>
Yes I have heard very little about Strike Force. They are casting I think that a bunch of others use and sell under there own labels as well. They do seem to "work" well for what they are. I know where I am with my 074's and that might surprise more then some with the power we can make with them. BUT these are a bit more stable in the casting department |
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Benny, not sure if you know, that Strike Force head seems to be a Pro Comp casting that has been finished and sold by another company. Not a bad thing from what I have heard. I know of a few "head guys" and they said that the strike force head are Pro Comp heads but only the casting. They are sold under other names too, just don't have that info in front of me.
So I did happen to find a set of these heads used of a guy I trust, so giving them a shot on another engine I have sitting here. FYI they made 892 on a 565 motor. My motor is going down is size but up on Hp HOPEFULLY. Would like to put out 900+ (even 901 would be enough). So we will what they can do. Not going to be fast build, probably a year away as this motor is fifth in line, but motor 1 is almost done, and 2 isn't far off. Should have the other 2 done by summer then get onto this one. Looking to put MY '69 Nova into the 8's with Hyd cam and close to pump gas friendly 480" BBc. 9.5 is very do-able it's that other 1/2 a second that can be a pain! LOL Good luck. John P.S. what are you running for rear axle and wheel tires? |
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John, Strike force heads are marketed by a company called RPM. They are from the south. My tires on the rear are 9.00/850x15. Ford 9inch housing with 4;56 ratio. I leave the line at 1,800 RPM;s. I usually run in the low 1.50;s for a 60 foot time, but I do get into the 40;s. Come to the Reunion in aug and see the car,run! Thanks The Dutchman [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif[/img]
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Yea John. Go to Bowling Green. Benny s booking match races now!
Just like the old Pro Stock Sunday afternoon shows at Englishtown! |
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Maybe next year with my '69 - ZL-?? (ZL-1 OR ZLX) equip Nova SS. This year is busy as it is helping getting a new racing series going up here.
It's based on factory style muscle cars, sorta a looser version of F.A.S.T. We are looking at rules new, but things like OEM wheels aftermarket at +100 I think, and weights are like 3600 for BB and 3400 for SB. Going to be tire limited and MUST have a dual plane intake. Old might get a single but other then that, just show and run. |
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Update on the race car. I just got tubular A-arms for the front end. Also got a aluminum center section for the ford nine inch. Should take off about 45 lbs of weight. We;ll see what the first time shot brings? The Dutchman [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif[/img]
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Cool....Race dude [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bbbenny</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Update on the race car. I just got tubular A-arms for the front end. Also got a aluminum center section for the ford nine inch. Should take off about 45 lbs of weight. We;ll see what the first time shot brings? The Dutchman [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif[/img] </div></div>
Curious, I can understand the 3rd member deal, IF you need something, then you modify your train of thought and upgrade. BUT why the A-arms??? Is it just a weight thing or more chassis oriented Benny?? I run OEM Mustang II stuff on my '69 ACADIAN and that car has been in the 7's in the 1/4. I have seen some aftermarket stuff either break outright or cause other conditions that could be hard to overcome with some major $$$ to spend, just ran into that on my '61 front end. I admit "most" company's are good and reputable too, but some still fail. There was a certain LARGE name company that did the control arms on my friends FOX body mustang. It CAUSED him to crash the car when the weld let go just past the beams at 180+MPH!!!!!!!!! |
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John, I;ll try to answer your question on the A-arms. New technology is helpful tool. The tubular A-arms are lighter, and just as strong as the stamped ones. But you don;t buy THE cheap brand ones. You only get what you pay for. Look at the new corvette, the A-arms on that car are alum. I know the car is lighter, but you don;t hear about any front end issues. Look at all the cars that are in the 7-9 second times. What are they running on their cars? Regards Benny
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We put the the new tubular arms in. Now a front end alignment. Then change out the cast iron center section. On the 9-inch rear for the new alumium one. And we;ll be racing! The Dutchman
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Benny,
Well done [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img] What brand A-Arms did you go with? Dan |
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Dan, I got the A-arms from Auto-Fab racecars. There from Maryland. Not cheap, but you only get what U pay for. Plus my A$$ is in the car! The Dutchman
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Finally got all the changes done. So if the weather is good this weekend. We;ll be out, to see how the car runs! The Dutchman [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gif[/img]
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Best of luck, please keep us Posted [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/burnout.gif[/img]
Dan |
Re: The Flying Dutchman 2014 New Thread!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bbbenny</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Finally got all the changes done. So if the weather is good this weekend. We;ll be out, to see how the car runs! The Dutchman [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gif[/img] </div></div>
Numidia this weekend Professor? |
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The weathers looking good for this sunday. Sammy we;ll be at Numedia. The Dutchman
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Good luck and have fun Benny!!!! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif[/img]
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Re: The Flying Dutchman 2014 New Thread!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bbbenny</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The weathers looking good for this sunday. Sammy we;ll be at Numedia. The Dutchman </div></div>
Good luck... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif[/img] |
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Spend BBBenny Spend...........Keeps the Economy going......LOL
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Update from Sunday. It was T/T day, the weather was bad. The car worked good with the new A-Arms. I did one full run, 10;51 at 130 MPH. Not bad for the condtions. Worked on leaving the line, the rest of the day. Ended up cutting a 004. light. The Dutchman
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HUMID, along with bad air in Numida. NOT bad Prof. Good tree!
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Results from todays event. The car ran a 10;51 last week and a 10;51 this week. same track. Speed was 130 MPH. But I got the BIG Red one. Next weekend Atco, hope the weather is good. Thats a fast track, if there is good air. The Dutchman [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img]
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I'll be at Atco with my nephew watching; I love the Modifiers shows.
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Good consistent times Professor. Atco will be faster than Numida even if the air is not perfect.
You could set the B/MP national record if this was in the 70's. |
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Didn't see you at Atco; everything okay?
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Dave, They where call for thunder storms, all day. So I didn;t make the two hr drive! The dutchman [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img]
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So the B/MP National Record is on hold till next time!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: [email protected]</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So the B/MP National Record is on hold till next time! </div></div>
Where does one find the rules and record for this B/MP that you speak? Benny, my ZL-1 is taking too long, so looking to do an interim motor, my ZLX project motor, while I wait. Will be alot like your car, so might be able to go for this record too!!!! John [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] |
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B/MP is an NHRA class that car may have run with the set-up he had in the early 70's.
The ET record back then was around the 10.50 range. The Professor's nova used to have dual quads on it when he first brought it out. |
Re: The Flying Dutchman 2014 New Thread!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: [email protected]</div><div class="ubbcode-body">B/MP is an NHRA class that car may have run with the set-up he had in the early 70's.
The ET record back then was around the 10.50 range. The Professor's nova used to have dual quads on it when he first brought it out. </div></div> Ya I figured it was a class from years ago. Funny, with the "L-78 spec", 402 in my '69 Nova and "840" heads with a Strip Dominator intake and Holley 800, 4.56's, M-21 and Firestone 9 X 29.5 slick Full weight my car went 10.47 on it's only 1/4 mile pass before getting kicked out for no roll bar. BUT did run a bunch of 6.60's in the 1/8 and then just let off!! LOL |
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no bottle?
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Back in the day in Div 4, Carroll Caudle out of Amarillo kind of ruled the roost. He ran a 55' Chev at that time in various _/MP clases. Notice I did not include A, B, C, etc. because he tended to run in most of them depending on the size of SBC. He was awesome to watch ... TAZ
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Carroll Caudle was a killer in those lower MP ranks. I believe he won the 1970 Winternationals. Had many a fine race car. Even think he dabb;led in Pro Stock in the early days.
Lee Shepherd David Nickens Pete Smith Shioleno and Coleman Raymond Martin and a bunch of other DIV-4 cars were real tough to beat back then. |
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IMO, the main reason the same combos run better times today then back in the day is A. track prep and B. tires.
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That is true Tom tires are way better and the cheating is a little better too. Things overlooked, not caught, everybody does syndrome helps too.
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I am not for sure if the cheating is any better, as the Grump and and others were pretty good at "stretching" the rules.
When it comes to class racing, such as stock, superstock, pro-stock, etc, and comparing times, the rules are so much liberal now then they were back in the day. I for one would love to see those classes go back to original definitions. |
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HAAA! Just check out the SS/AH cars. Close to the 1968 versions huh.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: [email protected]</div><div class="ubbcode-body">no bottle? </div></div>
Nope, that was a nothing done, mostly all GM OEM parts (block, crank, rods, TRW "replacement standard bore" pistons, 840 heads, and even GM pushords for a few hits) that were reworked. Funny you mention Nitrous. The car DID gave 2 plates on it from my buddy's tunnel rammed SB Vega. They were set to 150 each and was loaded ready to go. I had them flipped so one plate had Nitrous feed from the from, other plate feed from the rear. Thought that might cancel out the 2 plates. Never needed them on the street, and NOTHING ran with this car. We did a 351 Cleveland for another guy who went 10.70's on motor and 9.70's on a 125 hit. But since we did the motor, we never got a chance to run with it. When the track came to kick me out, I said "really, the cars not that fast. Something must have tripped the light. Let me make 1 more hit, if it's a 10 ANYTHING, I will leave no questions"? They said NO!! I was going to hit the Nitrous and run it out the back door IF the car ran and did not blow up. FYI the 351 Cleveland, well 356 being .030 over was also MOST OEM Ford parts, 4V heads, OEM block and crank, SB Chevy 6" rod. We ran this motor in a B/D back in the early '90's. That motor with the tunnel ram ran 7.80's for 3+ years. We ended up building the same style motor with ome better parts, C302 B heads and sheetmetal intake. Set the B/D record with a 7.4?. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/cool.gif[/img] |
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Never seen a "pretty much" stock built BB Chevy in a full bodied nova run that fast! Real good times!
That is pretty close to NHRA C/S times today. |
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Actually, the bottom end was together for about 12 years before we took the motor apart. I know the last 4 owners of the car. The car was just plain FAST! That motor, before we dug into it, in my Nova with M-21 and 4.88 and 9 X 29.5 slick raced a 340 Arrow with slick and Nitrous. That was a SOLID low 12 second Arrow, Many 12.20's. But the Nova driver only beat him by a fender. I was at the finish line checking that night in the mid 1980's. BUT the Nova miss shifted 4 out the 3 gear changes (missed 3rd TWICE) due to the driver having MS.
So when I got serious about the car, We took it apart, ball-hones the bores, ARP bolts in the 7/16 rods (my buddy prep'ed like his 9500 RPM Clevelands) used the OEM steel crank and TRW factory replacements. We just added a set of C& A file fits and rod and main bearings. Didn't even balance it. Fel Pro "BLUE" head gaskets in case we turned on the Nitrous. Cam was a 660 Comp roller, Herbert "cheapy" lifters and OEM pushrods (then went south FIRST track pass). 840 heads that were homeported, 2.19 1.88 Ti valves we had around the shop form some Cleveland experiments, Ti locks and retains from the race 351 motor's, along with the K-Motion K-1000H springs, and 1.73 FORD rockers. Holley Strip Dom intake was on the motor, but we ported it, and sent out the Holley 800 for reworking. Launch at 6000 shifting at 7800. |
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