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Oh don't worry I thought it looked something like a Cavalier only perhaps smaller and to hear them talk it was going to be a a new level of hot rod of sorts. OH well if that is the best they can do.

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Actually the Cobalt was previewed over a year ago. The base sedan was released last fall and the Cobalt SS is just starting to hit dealer showrooms after production delays.

Also coming down the pipe is the 2006 Trailblazer SS. Yup an SUV with the 6.0L LS2 on board. And next year the Monte Carlo and Impala get the 5.3L V8... although they remain FWD.

Performance isn't dead at GM.

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The GXP Pontiac already has the 5.3. There should be enough performance to keep the trips from getting too boring. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

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This pretty well sums it up for me. GM is going the same direction that Chrysler did in the late 70's-and Harley did as a company at that time as well.

JMO...I am sick of the excuses from GM and Chevrolet for the poor product that is being built. Most if not all the product is either overpriced-or ugly period. In '93 the Camaro beat the Mustang on price was faster and better. and sold well. GM noticed this and raised prices to increase the bottom line.

The end of the Camaro as we knew it actually started in 1993 as Chevy Ads referred to the Camaro as a "Sports car" for the first time and not a sports coupe as it always was. How long do you think it took the bean counters at GM to figure out that they now had two sports cars at Chevy?

The Corvette was destined to win the battle, and by 1996 the GM Exec's forced Perkins out - put middlebrook in and the death of Camaro was sealed. The 1997 ad campign was Lame and appealed to the wrong market segment. They failed to go after the kids-Big mistake. Prices continued to go up. The restyle of 98 looked great in black but the rear of the car still looked like a several other cars on the market, and the round tail lights and smaller bumper cover did not make it. Bad move.

At the managment level Middlebrook was the WORST thing that could have happened to the Camaro. Middlebrook ran Pontiac in the early 90's and with the exception of the Firebird T/A there was no "Excitement" to be found.

Until GM has a rebirth of some type I feel a new Camaro in this decade may damage the Camaro name the same way the Toyota "Nova" did for the Nova.

It may take until 2017 for GM/Chevy to rebuild enough to make a quality product. The next Camaro could be Hydrogen powered if at all. But first GM needs to survive. Sad to say but Caddy is now the performance segment at GM. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif


Want more info? read this:

http://www.detnews.com/2005/insiders...B01-133557.htm

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Since 1983 the Oshawa truck plant has more than doubled its production per shift and at the same time reduced the man hours to build a vehicle. There appears to be at least 3 levels of management on the floor at all times. Workers are constantly being put on notice, given written reprimands and/or threatened with time off without pay. Many of the supervisors are people off the street with minimal management training and certainly little to none in the automotive industry. People skills appear to be a thing of the past. A whip works better. The workers, at least in Oshawa, are more than carrying their share of the load in turning the company around. Dent a truck and you get reprimanded or worse. Blow $2 billion on a sour Fiat deal and that's ok. We have to turn off a lot of computers and lights on weekends to save that kind of money. We bought a new Jimmy from the Linden plant. The workers appear to be doing a great job there as well as we have had zero problems and everything was assembled properly. GM's problems are definitely up the ladder and you only have to look at the first rung to start. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif

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Not sure I get the gist of this thread but I'll add a little gibberish anyway. Keep in mind I bought a 66 Paxton SC Mustang Cobra out of CA in the mid 80s and sold it within 6 months for $17,500. The guy I sold it to had it SOLD for $30k. God knows what it's worth now.

After typing that I've got to go outside and do something real physical for a few minutes before continuing. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif

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...I bought a 66 Paxton SC Mustang Cobra out of CA in the mid 80s and sold it within 6 months for $17,500. The guy I sold it to had it SOLD for $30k. God knows what it's worth now.

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Try not to think about. I'll bet there are plenty of stories like yours out there.

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I really don't think about it. It simply serves to verify my credentials as a collector car expert. Consider that I also let a 70 LT1 Vette and a 65 Z16 Chevelle slip through my poor little fingers. Not to mention numerous 55 chevys. Call me.....gimme a little while on this one......... Soothsayer? Is that it? Is that even a real word?

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The real question is will GM(as we know it) even be around 10 years from now. They are losing around 2% market share each year. Right now it is around 24.75%. In 2006 they are going to be short $1 billion dollars to fund their health and pension plans. Their bonds are near junk status now. The trade commission almost voted them junk bond status in Febr. but GM talked their way out of it and got a reprieve.
If GM bonds go junk status no financial institution can hold their bonds in their portfolio and they will have to sell them. If that happens GM's stock will go to about $4-5 per share.
Gm has a huge inventory of unsold cars and trucks and like the '70's still has their head up their butt in terms of small fuel effiecent cars and changing gears quickly in midway for unforseen sales problems.
Also first quarter sales are down something like 50-80% over last year because they used up all their incentives last year.
Shanghai Motors in China also royally screwed GM to the tune of billions of dollars. GM built the plant and spent millions on a small car design(Chevrolet Spark) and China just copied the car down to the littlest nut and bolt and made their own assembly line. Now Cherry motor car company is planning on exporting 50K per year by 2007. GM is suing Shangai Motors but they might as well get in line with the hundreds of other American companies screwed and filing lawsuits due to business dealing with our "friends" over there.
American CEO's need to learn that the chinese are in it for themsleves, not the US.

My rant for today https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

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Why dosent Toyota step up and buy GM, than maybe sometning good will happen.