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Tom

Pete McCarthy in one of his books list a 545982 flywheel but doesn't mention it's nature. Do you have one or know what it is? Standard or auto, and what material?

Source Pontiac Musclecar Perfomance Pete McCarthy and John Angeles Page 219

Also this book list no variations of parts depedent on transmission usage.

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Tom you might know this one, you would appear to be top dog on RAV stuff in this forum.

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Steve,

I mean no disrespect here, but I went back and read that thread. From what I can tell, it appears that he is the only Pontiac guy that you and your buddy "mrmuscle" have not alienated.

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Mark

Sometimes the boat has to be rocked a little bit.

I think I squared things with Jim M.

And Bill Shultz was a misunderstanding; I honestly thought he was one of the aynonmous phone call people, just faking an id to jack with me.

GTO_Don, I can't explain him.

Dajudge was a race challenge, I never was mad at him and I don't think he's mad at me. He is more than welcome to correct me.

I like this forum, and if numbers and attention are ok with the leaders. The site sure got that. I think everyone learned something, I know I have. We still yet may change Pontiac history, and this debate was going on long before it hit this site.

If no Pontiacs had ever left the doors without this motor so be it. But if they did, the more time that goes by the harder to prove.

Would you agree from what you've read there is room for suspicion that a RAV motor may have been so put in a car or two?

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Don't start that again Steve. I know some of us want to do something else THIS weekend.

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what do you mean 'you cant explain me'! DONT TRY TO! im one of the nicest people you would ever meet. its when somebody is bullheaded and constantly makes stupid remarks about a subject he knows nothing about.For your information,those codes are published in that book because it was going to be a production engine! anybody knows any and every over the counter block just had a SR ON IT FOR SERVICE REPLACEMENT! NO CODES. ITS PLAIN TO SEE SOMEBODY STAMPED THAT BLOCK YOU HAVE [OTHER THAN PONTIAC]THATS WHY THAT JUDGE WILL NEVER TURN OUT TO BE REAL. EXPLAIN THAT!! signed; Pete townsend [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]

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Don

Let's see you be objective. Take another look and lets talk about it reasonably.

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I conclude that it was done long ago, how long I have no clue, I would certainly say before 99, the combonation of rust, paint, and depth leaves me to believe the W and numbers are of the same time and style stamping, leaving the Y not an exact match and out of line with the W, what does the Y mean, I don't know, I promise you I didn't do it, I don't see SR anywhere....?

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Although most SR blocks dont have engine codes stamped in them the service techs were supposed to stamp the code in them the same as the block they were replacing. For ID purposes. This didnt get done very often. Dont know that a RAV block would have a SR # as it was not a replacement for any block installed in a car. Probably had an engineering DS # if anything.

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Put aside all the previous debate of whether it came in a car or over the counter, my question is now "what is a production code doing in a RAV block?"

If we assume for the discussion that it is an untampered GM stamp, then why is it there?

It was suggested to me today during a phone conversation that the crate engines may have had a different holley carb and accordingly stamped in the crate as such. We are now waiting on verification on that theory from the owner of one of the motors.

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On one of the pictures I have of a RA V (Rodder and Super Stock )it shows a smog pump and all its accessories on the engine. It is setting beside another engine with all the smog accessories. Pictures show several engines.

Apparently Pontiac was trying to get it certified otherwise why put it on the engine. If they were trying to get it certified then it would make sense to put a code on the engine for future reference. The WY code shows here http://www.wallaceracing.com/cgi-bin/engine3.cgi as a 400/375hp engine along with 3 other 375 hp engines.

I also have pix of the engine in a car with the smog pump/accessories attached.