Re: 1969 Camaro Special Order Paint Process
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: firstgenaddict</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am the one who stated the wiper transmission over spray absolute... I have also stated I was wrong that the only absolute is there are no absolutes. The wiper transmission was installed after the body was painted so barring touch up or mismatch they should not have over spray.
Previously no one had the information that front ends on special paint cars were installed primed and then de-trimmed and painted. This formerly unknown process was brought to light through this thread, yes the discussion was spurred by your vehicle however before this information was brought to light the only known way to have paint on the wiper transmission was a dealer touch up or repaint. </div></div>I don't fault you I fault the people who after plenty of info refuse to admit they made a mistake on what they saw.

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Phil,

Thanks for all y,our information on this subject.

At our Chevelle show this past weekend, we had a gent there that worked on the Baltimore assembly line for decades. He did numerous jobs to include, assembly, supply and paint. His insight and knowledge were incredible. He brought, tools, pictures and clothing from the line. He talked about problems on the assembly line and how they were solved. Worker turnover was very high. For every 100 GM would hire, only 5 would last within a week or so. It was grueling work and the line rarely stopped. Plenty of mistakes were made during the assembly process.

He remembers the COPO cars and other special oddball orders. He said there were approximately 50 build sheets per car for all the components (two Baltimore cars and I have none), normal procedure was to throw them away when done. If you find one folded up under the dash, that car had an assembly problem that had to be fixed off the line and the defect was noted or circled on the build sheet.

I know this wasn't a Norwood rep, but I'm guessing the production environment was similar. His time on the paint line was short. He said it was miserable. They had to cover their faces with Vaseline and the bottom of their boots with grease to keep their masks from sticking to their faces and boots from sticking to the floor.

Phil Woj.

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Ok Clem.. Enough is enough.. Opinions are not gonna change on either side.. Time to let it go..

Re: 1969 Camaro Special Order Paint Process
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tenney</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[/quote] no matter what people post here it is all opinion or speculation and I have and know the facts on my Z/28. </div></div>

That's the great thing right, Clem? And good of you to share your experience - look forward to hearing about your other cool cars!

Keith Seymore posted some excellent, experienced-based, info on the special paint process earlier, btw. [/quote]how about a new 53 chevy 6 with a 261 truck block,dual csrbs and exhaust,cam and dual point ignition. had lots of fun blowing off the 54 v-8 fords with their new OHV v-8

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Woj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...His time on the paint line was short.He said it was miserable. They had to cover their faces with Vaseline and the bottom of their boots with grease to keep their masks from sticking to their faces and boots from sticking to the floor.</div></div>

I was just thinking about this.
Think about that,you're working for one of the 3 largest vehicle assemblers in the world @ that time.Painting them as well with lead based paint all day had to be one of the most undesirable environments in the world back then.

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I hesitate to add this (no dog in the fight either way) On the -- 69 huggar orange nova we restored for Alan Forman, it had a redish/pink card wedged in between the heater box, and floor board that said it needed to go to the repair area. It was hard to read, but pnt could be made out. The car had lots of overspray on the inside.

We had the same thing with the painters at the plant I worked in before they went to full air suits. Vasaline all over their faces and extremities. Better to be a welder. :-)

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LOL I painted a couple of 18 wheeler moving van trailers we bought 55 gallon drums of white paint... everything I had was white misted for years.

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I think we need to remember that any so-called experts on any type of car probably never worked at the plants when they were built. Their knowledge is accumulated from viewing lots of original cars and taking diligent notes. Their knowledge tends to reflect typical production. When an anomaly comes along, they need to be open minded and willing to learn that some strange things do happen at the plants that do not conform to what might be expected.
As an &quot;expert&quot;, they must be open to learning new things, rather than feeling they already &quot;know it all&quot;. There's a big difference between 30 years experience and one years experience 30 times.

Verne [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

Re: 1969 Camaro Special Order Paint Process
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Woj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Phil,

Thanks for all y,our information on this subject.

At our Chevelle show this past weekend, we had a gent there that worked on the Baltimore assembly line for decades. He did numerous jobs to include, assembly, supply and paint. His insight and knowledge were incredible. He brought, tools, pictures and clothing from the line. He talked about problems on the assembly line and how they were solved. Worker turnover was very high. For every 100 GM would hire, only 5 would last within a week or so. It was grueling work and the line rarely stopped. Plenty of mistakes were made during the assembly process.

He remembers the COPO cars and other special oddball orders. He said there were approximately 50 build sheets per car for all the components (two Baltimore cars and I have none), normal procedure was to throw them away when done. If you find one folded up under the dash, that car had an assembly problem that had to be fixed off the line and the defect was noted or circled on the build sheet.

I know this wasn't a Norwood rep, but I'm guessing the production environment was similar. His time on the paint line was short. He said it was miserable. They had to cover their faces with Vaseline and the bottom of their boots with grease to keep their masks from sticking to their faces and boots from sticking to the floor.



Phil Woj.
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Phil,

Norwood was pretty much the same. I am very glad that you reached out to a worker from Baltimore.... Did you know that Walt Gregonis left Norwood and went on to manage Baltimore Assembly?

Re: 1969 Camaro Special Order Paint Process
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Verne_Frantz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think we need to remember that any so-called experts on any type of car probably never worked at the plants when they were built. Their knowledge is accumulated from viewing lots of original cars and taking diligent notes. Their knowledge tends to reflect typical production. When an anomaly comes along, they need to be open minded and willing to learn that some strange things do happen at the plants that do not conform to what might be expected.
As an &quot;expert&quot;, they must be open to learning new things, rather than feeling they already &quot;know it all&quot;. There's a big difference between 30 years experience and one years experience 30 times.

Verne [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img] </div></div>

Amen!!!! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]