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A few weeks ago I was hired to inspect and consign a 1970 Challenger R/T SE 440 U-code car. He bought the car thinking it had the "Born with drive train" after I went under the car I told him the bad news that the Tranny was a Blank Pad service replacement 833 unit and the motor all though date code correct came from a whole different plant and car then the car it was in.
He was so pissed off he did not even want to talk to me anymore and I told him that I was just doing what he paid for.
That car went from being worth an ex amount of money that he paid out to almost half of what it's worth now.
Some guys should spend the money for an inspection before they buy a car not after they buy the car.
This also happened a few years back as a friend of mine bought an LS6 70 Chevelle SS and called me to inspect it after it was paid for and delivered to his home. Car had a fake build sheet non original drive train etc.... I told him he should have had me look at the car before he bought it.
Sellers look for people like these 2 examples but at the same time some buyers cheap out on a simple inspection that would have saved them Thousands of dollars for the small fee.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VintageMusclecar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This topic is a double-edged sword.

I've personally had my ass ran up the flagpole <span style="font-style: italic">more than once</span> for informing a customer that they'd been duped into buying a re-stamped carb.

Sometimes people don't <span style="font-style: italic">want</span> the truth. They simply want you to validate the decision(s) they've already made.

The tough part is figuring out whom to tell and when to keep my mouth shut. </div></div>



Yep x 10000

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A guy that retools convertible mopar quarters told me the other day, he has informed more that a few folks that their convertible cudas and challengers were made out of coupes. That does not go over well either [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

That's way worse that having the wrong drive train! I imagine they are just numb and speechless. I would be.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black69</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A guy that retools convertible mopar quarters told me the other day, he has informed more that a few folks that their convertible cudas and challengers were made out of coupes. That does not go over well either [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

That's way worse that having the wrong drive train! I imagine they are just numb and speechless. I would be. </div></div>

How would they fool people if the fender tag and vin had the model right on there?
They must have used fender tags and vin tags from a convertible and put them on the chopped coupe. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img] Which is the nasty re-body trick but in this case even nastier being a double whammy as a re-body and former coupe turned into a drop top. Wow

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Yep, I would assume a re-tagged car. I could imagine someone could miss that the rockers on a convertible are heavier gauge as just <span style="font-style: italic">one</span> example. You could probably get enough stuff from a wrecked or rusted car, but odds are you would miss something an expert would find.

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i had one of my old 67 corvettes(( sold it in 1992)) show up on ebay. it was a green 67 convertable with a tan interior 327-300 hp bought from the original owner. 15 years later it was on ebay as a 427-435 with tank sticker and pro- tecto plate . i still have the original tank sticker from the car. lol .

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mr 707</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> i had one of my old 67 corvettes(( sold it in 1992)) show up on ebay. it was a green 67 convertable with a tan interior 327-300 hp bought from the original owner. 15 years later it was on ebay as a 427-435 with tank sticker and pro- tecto plate . i still have the original tank sticker from the car. lol . </div></div>

Oh boy would I have fun with the builder (frauder) of that car right after I got the police involved especially with original paperwork in hand. I would back trace the history until I found the guy and set him up in a conversation where he would hopefully sing like a bird. Bye bye blackbird! I have ZERO time and patience for these people!

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I doubt in court, a piece of paper without the VIN on it, would do anything. I.e tank sticker.
Now if you had a continuous non interrupted video of the body coming off the car for the first time, showing the VIN on the frame and the untouched tank and THAT tank sticker, maybe. Maybe.
But once that tank sticker leaves the car, it could belong to any car.
Odds are that guy has nothing to worry about, unfortunately.

Now I know an original owner of a 67 435hp coupe, that still has his original engine (car sold years ago). Now the car is out there with a restamp. Not an easy slam dunk lawsuit (if he did not want to sell me the car, after I buy the engine). He could go out to his garage and grind off the restamp, and I am stuck with an engine forever, I didn't need. This car bugs me, with so many restamps out there, I could actually have a real one with a real born with engine.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RST</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Unless you personally purchased the car and have owned it since day one, then you cannot and should not use the term &quot;Born With&quot; unless you have a signed and notarized affidavit from the original owner</span>, and even in those cases, you really have no idea! So the best way to protect yourself is to make sure the seller is known and reputable, the car is known if possible .. (not a barn find) and all date codes, castings etc. match, however once again, if you did not personally buy the car brand new and confirm everything yourself, then you really have no way of knowing for sure. I purchase a lot of cars, and I always make sure all castings, etc, are correct, and that as much documentation is present as possible and the car is well known.

Just my 2 cents [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img] </div></div>

I would take exception to that. As someone stated, &quot;knowledge is the key&quot;. I've been hired to tell people if their engine was the original or not because I have a very large sampling of original stampings. So, if I in fact happen to own a car with its original engine, purchased from the heir of the deceased original owner, then I feel perfectly safe in describing it as a born-with engine. Who do <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 14pt">I</span></span> hire to verify my claim?

I know this brings up notions of the fox guarding the hen house, but truth and my reputation are of utmost importance to me. Maybe that's why, given the information I have about certain cars, that I'm still broke.

Verne [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif[/img]

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Agree 100%. Would it be nice to be the original owner? Sure.
Is an affidavit from the original owner bullet proof? Absolutely not.
To me, the expert opinion of a stamp's authenticity is worth way more than the affidavit.