Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Here are the pictures of the Hurst RamRod Shifter rebuild:-)

While you are at it Nick..... may as well do two shifters at the same time:-)

Ryan

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Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Smart.....before you put the new motor in [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

Dan </div></div>

actually I've been trying for years to get her to drive the car with the new motor. always an excuse. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img]

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

I called the engine machine shop after work for an update.

The original cylinder heads are scrap (as I already knew but wanted a second opinion)

The extra engine heads checked out good with MPI.

The extra block checked good with MPI.

The extra crank is scrap, I have to see it (so I will drop off my warranty W31 short block to hopefully donate the crank)

I will stop by this week to take scrap home and drop off, and to take pictures:-)

I am curious to see the bores measured to see if we can stay at 0.030&quot; with honing only? This will save the cost of boring which will allow for a few unseen costs.

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Did they say why the parts were scrap.....specifically the heads?

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

I am going after work tomorrow to inspect, and discuss.

A few of the combustion chambers are rusted badly, really deep pitting, a few ports are rusted bad, a few valves are broken off, a few studs are broken off..... Very bad set of heads, I may media blast them to make good wall art.

Ryan

PS: I got my warranty W31 from the engine stand to my car by myself:-) also packed up the flywheel for machining/balancing.

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Very bad set of heads, I may media blast them to make good wall art.

Ryan

PS: I got my warranty W31 from the engine stand to my car by myself:-) also packed up the flywheel for machining/balancing. </div></div>


very bad, thats giving them to much credit. Try evaporust instead of media blasting.

if you plan to race, might I suggest a centerforce flywheel. Your right foot will thank you.

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: junior supercar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Very bad set of heads, I may media blast them to make good wall art.

Ryan

PS: I got my warranty W31 from the engine stand to my car by myself:-) also packed up the flywheel for machining/balancing. </div></div>


very bad, thats giving them to much credit. Try evaporust instead of media blasting.

if you plan to race, might I suggest a centerforce flywheel. Your right foot will thank you. </div></div>

I will look into the flywheel, do you know of a specific model?

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Ready to go:-)

Ryan

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Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

What is wrong with the &quot;scrap&quot; crank did not take a long time to understand:-( Wiped right out.

Al and his daughter had bought this engine used, and installed it in an attempt to resurrect the car, it probably would have ran for a while but the bearings would have soon spun and seized the rotating assy.

I hope the crank is good from the warranty short block.....

I only had a few minutes to drop off items and check out the crank and vacate the dance floor.

I did look on Summit for better quality flywheels....... I didn't have this in the budget........... more research required, possibly source a used piece and have it reworked and balanced?

Ryan



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Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

I'm running a stock 3/8&quot; connecting rods, cast iron crank and flywheel, shifting at 7000 rpm. I will go out on a limb and say you probably won't abuse your car as hard as I do. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif[/img]

In other words.......if the motor is built/balanced correctly, you really shouldn't have an issue......but never say never as the old saying goes.

Kurt

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Ryan`s Limb can`t speed shift that hard.... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif[/img]

Dan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Thanks Kurt, I agree, it will take years to get as brave as you.

Dan:-( Take off eh!!!

My pistons will be forged, rods are forged, crank is Nodular cast iron,

I have a line on a used steel SFI flywheel, clutch fork, and slip yoke....... I hope this works out:-)

Ryan

What does MAW stand for............. Might As Well? well Nick Morocco and I are MAW/mulling over the idea of building an M22Z(3)

The more we research the more it looks like the right way to go.

2.99 first gear, 2.04 second gear, 1.46 third gear, 1 to 1 fourth, with 3.42 rear gears that makes for a perfect 10.2 to 1 final first gear ratio(textbook) with almost a perfectly even drop of 28% to 30% between gears....

Also 55 mph at 2300 rpm, and 75 mph at 3200 rpm.

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Very nice....however I must ask....is the intent to use the Autogears M22Z as the alternate trans after you are finished competing in the PSMCDR`s.

You already know how I feel about the PSMRDR rules.... what is fair and what is not, what is cheating, what is not, etc.....There was no Z in any M22 in the '60`s and `70`s [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/no.gif[/img]

Like I have said for years and years.....in this hobby you need more than one car.....A single car cannot be everything and complete in every event.

Dan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

What does MAW stand for............. Might As Well. In Air Force terms is stands for Missile Approach Warning. LOL TAZ

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

When my car is ready I will relinquish my PSMCDR tech whistle to you Dan

The rules state any gear ratio can be used in the rear end:-)

&quot;Drivetrain

Automatic Transmissions

The transmission must be correct for the year, make, model, and horsepower claimed. Shift improver kits are allowed. Aftermarket shifters are not allowed. No manual valve bodies. Lightweight purpose-built, drag racing transmissions NOT allowed (for example Pro Trans, Kilgore, etc.). Just switching to aluminum drums is illegal. Anyone caught will be banned from the event until corrected! Torque converters must be within 1 inch of the stock outside diameter. Maximum stall limited to 2200 rpm. Higher stall speeds will require factory documentation.

Manual Transmissions

The transmission must be correct for year, make, model and engine of the car. 3-speed manuals may be upgraded to the correct 4-speed if originally available. Aftermarket H-pattern shifters are allowed if no modifications to the floorpan are necessary. Line locks are not allowed. Scattershields are okay. No conversions from column-shift to floor shift allowed unless available as a factory option. Aluminum flywheels are NOT allowed.


Rear Axles

The rear axle must be of the same manufacturer as the car. Any gear ratio is allowed. Lightweight driveshafts NOT allowed.

Driveshaft safety loops are mandatory on all cars 13.99 and faster! Spools of any kind are NOT allowed.&quot;

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

I am way more focused on street driving than PSMCDR, I don't have intentions of being competitive just getting off the porch:-) my car needs to be reliable and fun!!!

Ryan

I love the second car idea, after tuitions are paid up maybe Daddy will step it up?

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Thanks for the Rules....the Key wording is &quot;correct 4-speed if originally available&quot;....then I assume that you will be on your back often changing your trans combo when not competing in PSMCDR`s.

Dan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am way more focused on street driving than PSMCDR, I don't have intentions of being competitive just getting off the porch:-) my car needs to be reliable and fun!!!

Ryan

I love the second car idea, after tuitions are paid up maybe Daddy will step it up? </div></div>

Exactly....my point, while PSMCDR's is a great fun event.....I get it. It is prohibiting you from building the car as YOU see fit to build it for your ultimate enjoyment. Again, this is why having more than one car is the way to go.

Dan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

All in due time:-)

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

It's ok....to disagree.....you are new at this and learning a lot everyday....I already see your plans evolving and changing as you are learning what is best for your needs, your car, your family fun and enjoyment.

For the record.....PSMCDR's will cost you much much more in the long run, it is very addictive.... costs especially sky-rocket when parts break.....and we know things do break.

Dan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

I bet once you get it down, you can swap Muncies yourself in under 2 hours(likely less). Just make sure the input and output splines are the sand. That's not bad. Some long guide bolts are very helpful.

Go have some fun with one car,

Jason

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Dan: I am processing your comments :-)

I certainly agree things can/will break, I will have a back up plan to get home if all hell breaks loose:-) Can I stay at your place?

My plans are improving each day, as I learn my plan improves, so far I haven't bought a lot of items that don't suit the end goal, but a few certainly. The struggle to compromise for both uses street/strip is very difficult but I am learning and progressing:-) Again my level of love and enthusiasm for PSMCDR will not be matched by my competitiveness.

Jason: Agree, I love the simplicity aspect of my car. A transmission change in a new vehicle vs my car is like night and day:-) especially after I restore all the items and know every bolt like the back of my hand:-)

Ryan

PS: Hope to chat with the engine machinist today.

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

My casa is your casa [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

Dan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My casa is your casa [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

Dan </div></div>

&quot;Mi casa es su casa&quot; Right back atcha!!

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Dave Siltman called last night and got me all wound up about racing and W31's and Cragars, and has located a few more gem parts for me in his tickle trunk. I appreciate the support from a fellow 1969 Cutlass S Sports Coupe W31 4 speed guy:-)

I would love to find a cheap &quot;rusty but restorable&quot; blow proof bell housing. I have a lot of experience with high velocity, heavy, rotating objects and I am a big proponent of proper guarding and the more I look at the aluminum bell housing the more I like the idea of the blow proof. As I haven't got pipes to connect the exhaust manifolds and the X pipe yet I should be able to have the new ones made to go around the BP........ I would paint it cast aluminum colour so it looks as stock as possible.

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

one of those deals, use one or the other or both together
stock flywheel with the scattershield or good flywheel with factory bellhousing [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img]

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Exactly:-)

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Installing a blow proof housing was one of the best things I did when I raced my RR. It was a huge weight lifted knowing I was free to dump the clutch where &quot;I&quot; wanted to. Set it up right with zero runout and away you go. Dang I miss that big bird.......

BIG

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a lot of experience with high velocity, heavy, rotating objects and I am a big proponent of proper guarding and the more I look at the aluminum bell housing the more I like the idea of the blow proof.

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X 10

Oh and patiently waiting on update pics...

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Update:

Pictures:-) I am having a hard time posting pictures of &quot;virtual progress&quot; much harder to document than actual progress.

Engine: I plan to visit the machinist this week to pick up scrap and discuss next steps.

Transmission: Nick and I are firming up a plan for a wicked M22Z (3) using a donor case/Trans and have decided to refresh the M22 out of the car with the basic seals, bearings, rebuild kit, etc as it is most valuable as such. Nick may have shared his addiction of Muncies with me:-)

Driveshaft: the shaft is powder coated and I have new u-joints, and strap. I had to verify the spline count on the slip yoke I am buying from Dave Siltman, once I get it I will put it all together.

Flywheel: firming up with Dave that it is a 10.5 inch, 30lb SFI approved steel.

Clutch fork: if Dave finds it, a Lakewood heavy duty fork.

Blow proof bell housing: looking for a used Quick Time or Lakewood......

A whole lotta virtual progress:-) invisible actuality at its best :-)

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Is this a 27 spline slip yoke? (26 peaks and one missing peak)

Do they all have one spline missing?

Ryan

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Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Yes.......that is normal. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69 Post Sedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes.......that is normal. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img] </div></div>

Great thanks

Would you call that a 27 spline?

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69 Post Sedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes.......that is normal. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img] </div></div>

Great thanks

Would you call that a 27 spline?

Ryan</div></div>

If the tail shaft is 27 splines ... yes

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Makes sense, what is the groove for, assembly line installation? Balance?

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Makes sense, what is the groove for, assembly line installation? Balance?

Ryan</div></div>

Geezz -- its been awhile ... but I vaguely remember there were applications where the output shaft had a matching wide spline. May have been for balance purposes. I am sure there are others on this sight may have more input. TAZ [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img]

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Makes sense, what is the groove for, assembly line installation? Balance?

Ryan </div></div> Most probably for easy installation and removal of driveshaft. Air and suction have space to enter and escape from missing spline.Good progress on this w 31 so far Ryan.

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Thanks Taz

Thanks Marc

Ryan

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I am getting closer to having all my items related to the transmission planned out.

FJ Smith (Ontario drag racer) may have a used BOP blow up proof bellhousing if so I have asked for a signature on it:-) if this doesn't work out many people have their eyes out for me.

I only need to order a pilot bushing/bearing and throw out bearing. Need to call Crash as suggested.

I am confirming an order to buy a good quality angle grinder, cup wire wheels, a straight wire wheel and a 45 degree wire wheel to get in corners, gloves, and I already have N95 masks, coveralls, face shield, safety glasses, ear muffs, I have 6 mil poly to lay down to keep the igloo floor nice and clean, I also plan to cover the car and tape off around the edges to keep the crap off the outside of the car, I will also tape over the 4 speed hump......... This is going to suck:-) Wish me luck:-)

I will try to borrow a big fan to blow the debris and dust out the door.......

This may be the time to re-engage the teenage boy:-)

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

----Leaf blowers are good for your clean-up too, Ryan.......Bill S