Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Oh snap, I backed away for a little while and spicy back and forth:-(

I share everything but I also have to only decide on one path to take in the end. I lean on Dan pretty heavy and we are great friends so I take his advice often and ribbing the odd time:-( I am consistent:-)

I love feedback, but I have to sum it up and filter and decide what works for me. (My car, my money)

I do mention costs often, sometimes just to ensure I am not being a poser, I meet people at shows and sometimes they think I am a seasoned car guy, I have a long standing love of muscle cars but I am learning by the hour now:-)

I am buying that rusty chunk of floor as the hump piece by my sources, (I think I have checked with two or three experts) is not the same as reproduction. (And reports have been that they are way different) I have seen several people buy used floor sections to get the right hump. (So that was my confirmation that I am taking the right path.

I am proud of my build thread remaining drama free, and this little back and forth doesn't cause me any concern, back to business as usual.

Ryan

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Key words..... My car, my money [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

Now back to your regular scheduled program.

Dan

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Key words..... My car, my money [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

Now back to your regular scheduled program.

Dan</div></div>

AMEN!!!

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Engine rebuild is near:-)

I should drop off my top end this week to get started:-) I have to grab the neighbors to get the short block in the car.

Ryan

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Carburetor has been delivered:-) (My former boss dropped it off:-) I told him to hint that he loves GTO's and sure enough Dan Jensen took him for a tour:-)

Manual steering box has made it's way to Van Hurst (Thanks Van for bringing southern parts to NOCC!!)

Got a note back from Napa and Inline tube and both don't sell heat riser valves........ Hmm?

Ryan

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Ryan, just reading to catch up on your progress. A couple of things, when I'm at the cottage next week I will go get that rocket 350 for
you, it may have the carb you are looking for. It does have the cool valve covers with Oldsmobile stamped into them. Just a question, why
would any one ever use a heat riser for anything? They warp intakes and carbs, fill the ports with crap, overheat and split the porcelains
in the spark plugs, cause restriction that is hard on fuel distribution and balance inside the intake, and just cost horse power. You will never drive the car when it is cold out, and it probably would not make any difference if you did. Spend the effort on the ID of the
manifolds were they exit to the down pipes and the id of the pipe flange were it all bolts together. If you wanted I could get my friend
Kenny Parkman to put your heads on the flow bench with the exhaust manifolds. That may help in camshaft selection, My guess is there is a
big imbalance with the manifolds bolted on and the exhaust specs may be critical in this type of restrictor motor.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RamblerDealer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ryan, just reading to catch up on your progress. A couple of things, when I'm at the cottage next week I will go get that rocket 350 for
you, it may have the carb you are looking for. It does have the cool valve covers with Oldsmobile stamped into them. Just a question, why
would any one ever use a heat riser for anything? They warp intakes and carbs, fill the ports with crap, overheat and split the porcelains
in the spark plugs, cause restriction that is hard on fuel distribution and balance inside the intake, and just cost horse power. You will never drive the car when it is cold out, and it probably would not make any difference if you did. Spend the effort on the ID of the
manifolds were they exit to the down pipes and the id of the pipe flange were it all bolts together. If you wanted I could get my friend
Kenny Parkman to put your heads on the flow bench with the exhaust manifolds. That may help in camshaft selection, My guess is there is a
big imbalance with the manifolds bolted on and the exhaust specs may be critical in this type of restrictor motor. </div></div>

Terry, you are a Canadian GEM!!!!

A few people off to the side have shared the same opinion on the heat riser. I was concerned that on cool mornings the choke would stay active and run rich for too long. (remember I am a rookie with many years of experience reading car magazines only) Casey Marks also says he blocked his cross over and tossed the heat riser. Final decision, no heat riser. (I will let Dan J. know as he rebuilds the carb so if any items can be adjusted to compensate a little he can do them as apart of the carb rebuild)

I had two Olds engine builders both recommend the same cam shaft:-) and it does have a dual pattern with additional lift and duration on the exhaust side to help with the restricted exit path. I will make one set of PSMCDR manifolds with no modifications and one set bored out at the exit to match a little better the 2.5 inch exhaust system.

I would love a price to flow test the heads with and without the manifolds.

I think you mentioned a 350 sitting out in cottage country:-) Bring it:-)

Ryan

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Ryan for the Heat Riser just do what I did for my LS6 454 Heat Riser. I grinded off the wing from the main pole and drilled a tiny hole on the end were the main pole will slide out and inserted a cotter pin bent so it would never slip off.

You have a free flow this way and the appearance is bone stock and know one will ever know [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img] It even operates correctly this way.

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Ryan for the Heat Riser just do what I did for my LS6 454 Heat Riser. I grinded off the wing from the main pole and drilled a tiny hole on the end were the main pole will slide out and inserted a cotter pin bent so it would never slip off.

You have a free flow this way and the appearance is bone stock and know one will ever know bigthumbup It even operates correctly this way.

That will work just fine until some smart-a$$ inspector/judge says start the engine and notices the counter weight doesn't move when you blip the throttle. But most of those guys are picked out of the crowd and would't know the difference anyway ... so GO FOR IT!! TAZ [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif[/img] [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

I will just use the manifolds I have without the heat riser, nobody is judging this old girl:-)

Ryan

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Update:

So I made a final decision and loaded up my extra engine to be rebuilt. This was a huge step for me, I have considered all options, researched costs, visited several builders, received several quotes verbal and paper, read forums, posted on CO for support, and many Olds people have shared information, ideas, supplier contact info, phone calls, emails, PM's, posts, you name it. Thanks to all who have taken the time to help me move in the right direction.

I have used names as I have visited various engine builders maybe this is right, maybe this is wrong...... TBD, each person I visited in my opinion would have been a perfect candidate for my rebuild but I only get to pick one builder. I am thinking I will keep names out of this for now and share a huge thank you at the end with business name and contact information if I am a satisfied customer. (I have every indication this will be the case or I would not be moving forward)

As I am not painting the car, the engine is the biggest/most expensive item on the punch list.... This is very stressful for me, I also honestly feel quite guilty moving forward with such an expense, just for ME. (I shared my mini vintage trailer idea with &quot;Beautiful, Olds Loving Wife&quot; and she loves the idea so this won't be just for ME)

I used the incline plane, and rolled the short block right up into the car, used a spare tire and wood blocks to support it:-) Felt a little proud:-)

I am sending the original heads as well as the &quot;extra&quot; engine heads. I hope they can save the original heads, but I am quite confident they are space junk/wall art.

I am dropping off both intakes, probably prep both while we are at it:-)

Ryan

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Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Glad to see you make the jump with your engine.
Bet you can't wait to hear it run on a dyno.
Love the line &quot;felt a little proud&quot; in regard to ramping the engine into the car. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif[/img]

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rixls6</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Glad to see you make the jump with your engine.
Bet you can't wait to hear it run on a dyno.
Love the line &quot;felt a little proud&quot; in regard to ramping the engine into the car. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif[/img] </div></div>

Thanks Rick!!

Had to order the &quot;Dyno Delete&quot; option RPO NO-Dyno:-( I have all the money assigned and then some so I had to ease off on several items to stay on budget. This was one of the reasons I sent my distributor and carburetor to Dan Jensen so I can lean on him a little for butt-dyno tuning tips at PSMCDR. (He will already know all my details)

This engine shop runs the engine with an electric motor on a stand to verify oil pressure, flow to all visible locations, no-leaks, and cranking compression for all cylinders.

Someday I could use a chassis dyno to do some testing a friend has a car show in town each year and this year he had a chassis dyno for runs all day, this may be an option. I dislike the idea of a chassis dyno as there are so many safety risks.

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Engine has been handed off:-)

I don't like the stuff I can't control:-)

Ryan

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Stressed? This is fun....the stress will start if or when the engine happens to go south.....just say`n as it does happen often...depending on your right foot.

I have made many mistakes on my own personal builds.....if I could do anything over again....I would gladly pay to have my engines dyno-ed.....learn from us my friend.

Dan

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I appreciate the comment but the costs as far as I have seen are 500 to 1000 per day, and in some cases this is just to run the dyno, you tune as you wish.

If a situation arises that I can dyno I will but to pay straight up for a tuner and the dyno day is not realistic.

Regular guy here:-)

I have a budget to get an exhaust gas temp sensing unit, mainly to prevent lean situations.

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well SMS samples are perfect:-)

I see why people put up with delays, lack of communication and poor customer service. Sign me up:-)

Ryan

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Carpet looks the same, but I don't have any decent original carpet to really compare

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Headliner material is perfect
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Upper and lower door panel vinyl is perfect (I won't be buying door panels just fixing one damaged spot)
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I received shipping info for my headliner (including sail panel and sun visor material) could it be shipping out soon?

I don't want to jynx it....

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well SMS samples are perfect:-)

I see why people put up with delays, lack of communication and poor customer service. Sign me up:-)

Ryan

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Carpet looks the same, but I don't have any decent original carpet to really compare

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Headliner material is perfect
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Upper and lower door panel vinyl is perfect (I won't be buying door panels just fixing one damaged spot)
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I received shipping info for my headliner (including sail panel and sun visor material) could it be shipping out soon?

I don't want to jynx it....

Ryan </div></div>

If you got shipping info, then your headliner is on the way to you.
I just received a pair of headliners from them for my `69 Post Sedans right after getting shipping info. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

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Fingers crossed:-)

That would be a record, based on all feedback on the interweb.

Chickens are not hatched, no counting will occur till such time.

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Congrats on selecting and engine builder. Did I read that you said no paint job or something to that effect??

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Yes I don't plan to paint the outside of the car.

I want to take it from a &quot;20 footer&quot; to a &quot;13.75 footer&quot;, I will have the scratches touched up, and also plan to have the hole in the hood filled which will force me to reapply the Code 10 Ebony Black hood stripes. I love the stripes:-)

She has a good side and a bad side as most of us do, the passenger side is prettier than the drivers side:-) I concede this will be the case when the Mrs. and I are driving around:-)

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I appreciate the comment but the costs as far as I have seen are 500 to 1000 per day, and in some cases this is just to run the dyno, you tune as you wish.

If a situation arises that I can dyno I will but to pay straight up for a tuner and the dyno day is not realistic.

Regular guy here:-)

I have a budget to get an exhaust gas temp sensing unit, mainly to prevent lean situations.

Ryan </div></div>

$500-$1000 WOW!!!......I sure wished you lived closer to me Ryan as my engine builder, Gary Soderberg at SRL Motorsports charges $250 for 4 pulls and I think $350 will get your carb tuned to your motor.

Having it run on a test stand is still a great idea as you don't want to go through all the hassle of dropping it in the car then have issues.

Kurt

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

my dyno time for the 400 poncho in my GT-37, about $800 for like 19 dyno pulls, which included cam break in, tuning carb, timing and other things. it was basically most of the day on the dyno. Money VERY WELL spent. zero issues after install and many a smokey burnout and drag strip passes
I wouldn't even think of not dyno'ing my W-31 build as I've already made plans for it

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Thanks for the dyno positive comments, if I can somehow accommodate I will have a dyno tune completed but not in the plans currently.

Ryan

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SMS Rocks:-)

What I ordered and paid for up front arrived today, no fuss, no muss:-)

One piece of door panel material, sail panel, sun visor material (I am not redoing the sun visors but I have the material if someday it is needed) and a headliner.

Ryan

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I stopped by to see my car body after work today to see how to remove the master cylinder for rebuild.

Wow, now I understand what Al was talking about when he described the &quot;Kicker Clutch&quot; I thought he meant the heavy duty three finger Borg and Beck clutch he installed, but he was talking about the clutch linkage under the dash. Check out the 306L Stainless arc welds (brings back memories) and some other pieces of metal all put together as I understand it to be strong but also to move the center fulcrum to reduce the pedal stroke reduceing engage and disengage time.

Pictures are worth a thousand words.

I think this means I need one or two more original parts.........

Ryan

This phone sucks, why right side up on my PC and upside down on sYc? Would somebody be a sport and flip them, I can save them right side up and they still post up side down:-(

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Last one looks to be upright to begin with so I'll leave it that way.

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

I love the color coded fuses.


Jason

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Those welds were very typical, this one is not nearly that bad.....I have seen my share of terrible weld jobs on clutch pedals.
You may find what you need at NOCC.....or starting calling those that can bring you a pedal to you to NOCC.

Dan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Thanks John Brown for flipping my pics :-)

Jason: I didn't know fuses came colour coded? Are they original GM?

Dan: I like the weld quality, my comment was that someone used Stainless rod, it is much easier to use and the slag jumps off after a pass:-)

The pedal looks fine, but that extra piece will need to be ground off and put in the never throw away box:-) I may need a sample to copy to put it back to stock....

Ryan

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Jason: I didn't know fuses came colour coded? Are they original GM?

The pedal looks fine, but that extra piece will need to be ground off and put in the never throw away box:-) I may need a sample to copy to put it back to stock....

Ryan </div></div>

yes, original fuses were color coded.

Are you sure that clutch pedal hasn't been modified and re-welded?

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

I looked at the Assembly manual and to me it looks like there is an extra 90 degree piece and a support piece on the side. I can see the hole the clutch linkage used to go into..... Not sure but so far looks like additions only. Even if some of it were cut away I will repair the pedal. (Need somebody's sample to study)

In the manual it calls out a special part number for the bumper above the clutch pedal for a W31, can't wait to see if this is accurate.

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

I got a note that my distributor is rebuilt and soon will have the Crane XRi electronic conversion including PN20 coil (looks stock) and I was very surprised my carb is also rebuilt.

Dan sent pictures, it looks so cool, like a survivor carb:-) No surfaces were restored, only rebuilt.

I plan to use a mix or original and restored pieces under the hood. For example the ex manifolds will be coated with the Eastwood product, but the passenger side heat shield will be cleaned in Evaporust and used as original.

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

I plan to use a mix or original and restored pieces under the hood. For example the ex manifolds will be coated with the Eastwood product, but the passenger side heat shield will be cleaned in Evaporust and used as original.

Another fine &quot;restofication&quot; in progress ... TAZ [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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Ryan here are the photos of your carb, more coming

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