Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Hmmm, rich operation is not good... gas in the oil, cylinders washed down.......

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Pure Stock is the way to Rock:-)

I will purchase a heat riser and assemble the system as Oldsmobile made it, I can imagine on cold mornings this will help get the engine warmed up and running smoothly more quickly.

Less gas smell at start up, and a little more drivable is more in line with my goals.

I plan to put miles on this car:-)

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

One Million Views:-) 1,017,495

I love to share each silly detail of my project, it feels good to share it with Y'all, it keeps me motivated!!!!

I have one request for the creepers out there.......... If you see me heading down the garden path please send me a note or post your opinion, I can only take one path but I do not know this stuff like a lot of you guys and I need to figure out each tiny item and pick a cost effective appropriate plan and git-r-dun. (for example a heat riser valve, lot of ideas, lots of options, a little back and forth, a little research, and now I have a plan)

I better get cracking and do something so I can show some actual progress:-)

Ryan

I hope to find a nice F85 in 2020 and build it specifically for PSMCDR:-) A lot of items you will see that I am compromising not only based on cost but also I am steering this rebuild towards drivability.......... a purpose built "KILERW31" would be fun too!!!

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pure Stock is the way to Rock:-)

I will purchase a heat riser and assemble the system as Oldsmobile made it, I can imagine on cold mornings this will help get the engine warmed up and running smoothly more quickly.

Less gas smell at start up, and a little more drivable is more in line with my goals.

I plan to put miles on this car:-)

Ryan

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Good choice -- you'll not regret it ... TAZ

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Glad I steered you in the right direction [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img] among a few others.

Dan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

&quot;If you are really wanting to enjoy the car for what it is - then go stock. Is what I would do.
If you are trying to have a faster car at the track than eliminate the heat riser.....but really, how much faster will it be to eliminate it?
I just answered your question, leave it on.
If it were my car.....I would restore it all to 100% stock appearing and everything working as is it should. People will appreciate it much more of what you are doing to the car. Plus it will be worth more all original :-)
You can still enjoy racing it at PSMCDR's - heat riser and all.

That is my two cents.&quot;

Dan's note:-)

Rya

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Dan's 2 cents are priceless [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif[/img]

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

If the heat riser is working correct -- it has almost no impact under WOT. Exhaust gas will push it open. TAZ

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

I am well supported here!!!

sYc:-)

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

With all the good people here -- any issue can be resolved ... now if I could only get the winning lotto numbers ... TAZ

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

re: that heat riser. Here is what it looks like. It's part of the exhaust manifold it's not separate

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...pskxgfkhrz.jpg

Some food for thought. The above is from a 46K mile 69 Supreme. heat riser valve is present. I have a 62K mile 69 S and there is no heat riser valve in the exhaust manifold. Best I can tell, both engines have their original exhaust manifolds and haven't been messed with, so heater riser or no heat riser. Your call. Another item to think about. Run the heat riser and break out the sawzall to cut out the butterfly.

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

I have collected 3 sets of manifolds and none have the heat riser built in..............

Hmm?

I will look at the manuals to see what they recommend.

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Interesting ...

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

There is a bit of info in the Assembly Manual.

FIG 3: Here I can see the heat riser built in to the Drivers side EX manifold in the first picture on page 120.

FIG 4: Also the block off plate is shown for the Passenger side EX manifold to block the cross over port.

I can't think of a survivor 69 W31 to look at that has original exhaust....... Anybody?

As far as I can tell the exhaust has no W31 specifics, so a Cutlass with an L74 High Compression 350/310HP would have the same N10 Dual Exhaust as a Cutlass with a W31 350/325HP?

Ryan

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...45672-ex22.jpg

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...7-45674-ex.jpg

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

At Martin I made plans to have Dan Jensen PSMCDR rebuild and test my carburetor. In future I hope to have all the surfaces restored but currently I plan to have a survivor/rebuilt W31 carb prepped.

This will really work out for me as Dan is building my distributor and now carburetor, so I can lean on him a little in future for tuning tips and tricks:-) (If in future I have a Quadra-bog he will know what to do, not just Google like me)

I took a few pictures of it beforehand. (can you believe it?)

Ryan

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...9-img_0602.jpg
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Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is a bit of info in the Assembly Manual.

FIG 3: Here I can see the heat riser built in to the Drivers side EX manifold in the first picture on page 120.

FIG 4: Also the block off plate is shown for the Passenger side EX manifold to block the cross over port.

I can't think of a survivor 69 W31 to look at that has original exhaust....... Anybody?

As far as I can tell the exhaust has no W31 specifics, so a Cutlass with an L74 High Compression 350/310HP would have the same N10 Dual Exhaust as a Cutlass with a W31 350/325HP?

Ryan</div></div>

Get in touch with Casey Marks over on V8buick in the Pure Stock section. His uncle raced NHRA stock class with W31's from new and Casey raced one at the Stanton PSMCDR for years. If anyone can answer your questions, he would be the one.

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Thanks John, we chatted at Martin but I didn't know what I don't know yet:-)

Rya

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Casey is a &quot;Ball-Buster&quot;...... A good &quot;Ball-Buster&quot; [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif[/img]

Dan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

I started researching what finishes to restore the trunk accessories. (How this ended up a priority I can not remember)

I do remember: I dropped off a few items to be coated with Dan Vasic when he has a batch of show car parts plated, I am hoping some chrome will drip off onto my driver parts:-)

I chased a few W31 Olds owners to share pictures of their:

Jack hook, shaft, base, mechanism, as well as spare tire hold down and wing nut. Decided on Dove Grey for painted parts to match these originals. This also matches the color of the rusty parts I bought.

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Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Another set.

Ryan

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Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Another another set:-)

Ryan

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Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Here is a new/old part I am buying:-)

I am still figuring out shipping........ Trying to be cost effective:-(

I plan to remove the shifter hump and then media blast the whole piece, I only need the hump so I may be able to recover some of the costs by selling the tunnel?

Ryan

Pictures later, I forgot my IPhone won't post pictures before I started typing:-(

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Make sure you stay with in the PSMCDR's rules, as they are watching [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif[/img]

Do they consider a Ram Rod shifter to even have an H Pattern. Is there anyone in PSMCDR's running a Ram Rod Shifter?

I would hate to see you do all this work and not be able to compete.

Dan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Gosh Ryan!, I completely forgot I was to send you bumper jack info. I apologize my friend! Looks like you're in good shape without my pictures! Your project is moving right along. Will PSMCD make you run that &quot;255&quot;? I'd lobby for you to &quot;build&quot; another carb and keep that one (along with your balancer) under wraps. If allowed, find and build a &quot;251&quot; or &quot;253&quot; for racing.

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Dave you slacker [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif[/img]

Dan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Make sure you stay with in the PSMCDR's rules, as they are watching [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif[/img]

Do they consider a Ram Rod shifter to even have an H Pattern. Is there anyone in PSMCDR's running a Ram Rod Shifter?

I would hate to see you do all this work and not be able to compete.

Dan </div></div>

I would kick myself out of PSMCDR if I showed up with a Ram Rod:-) H pattern is clearly stated in the rules (below). I am buying the Ram Rod shifter to have fun with:-) someday I will swap it in possibly with the M22 to experience the whine of the M22 and the 2.20 first gear:-( and the Ram Rod INLINE/not H pattern shifter.

Maybe by this time I will have bought/built a 4.33 rear....... I have too many future plans.

SOMEDAY/2020 I also want to buy/restore a tiny vintage camper trailer to tow around:-) This one is a 2015 retro camper I saw at a Ribfest last weekend. (way bigger than I want but the style is ON POINT!!!)

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...5-img_0639.jpg


Ryan

&quot;Manual Transmissions

The transmission must be correct for year, make, model and engine of the car. 3-speed manuals may be upgraded to the correct 4-speed if originally available. Aftermarket H-pattern shifters are allowed if no modifications to the floorpan are necessary. Line locks are not allowed. Scattershields are okay. No conversions from column-shift to floor shift allowed unless available as a factory option. Aluminum flywheels are NOT allowed.&quot;

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Exactly inline is inline.....just like I would be inline in that Camper behind you [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

Dan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DW31S</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gosh Ryan!, I completely forgot I was to send you bumper jack info. I apologize my friend! Looks like you're in good shape without my pictures! Your project is moving right along. Will PSMCD make you run that &quot;255&quot;? I'd lobby for you to &quot;build&quot; another carb and keep that one (along with your balancer) under wraps. If allowed, find and build a &quot;251&quot; or &quot;253&quot; for racing. </div></div>

Dave: As you mentioned I made out great getting jack info. (No Stress)

I have a normal balancer included in my engine build, Someday I will have my original W31 balancer rebuilt at the Damper Doctor in California but it would be for street use.

My original carb is leaving Monday for rebuild, if someone close to Lansing Michigan has a suitable similar core carb (or two) at a reasonable price I would consider it.

I looked into buying a second carb from NAPA, and the online mega carb sale places but too much money for what I feel I would receive.

I see so many messy carburetor stories of Franken-carbs, to cobbled-carbs, I am trying to stay away from troubles.

The PSMCDR rules are specific, but if I read them while tilting my head on a 45 degree angle I don't see any requirement that specific codes are stamped on the carb:-)

Ryan

&quot;Fuel System

The carburetor must be correct for the year, make, and horsepower claimed. Jetting and metering changes are permitted. THE CHOKE ASSEMBLY MUST BE IN PLACE AND FUNCTIONAL! Mechanical secondary carbs cannot be substituted if vacuum operated units were original to the car. Mechanical fuel pumps must be retained. Electric fuel pumps are NOT allowed. No fuel pressure gauges are allowed anywhere along the fuel system. Factory fuel lines are required and must be correct size. No rubber lines allowed unless originally equipped as such. No fuel cells are allowed&quot;

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is a new/old part I am buying:-)

I am still figuring out shipping........ Trying to be cost effective:-(

I plan to remove the shifter hump and then media blast the whole piece, I only need the hump so I may be able to recover some of the costs by selling the tunnel?

Ryan

Pictures later, I forgot my IPhone won't post pictures before I started typing:-( </div></div>

Here is the floor piece I am buying:-) A bit of a unicorn to buy.

I plan to try to make the hump piece, possibly more than one........... So far recommendations have been that the repop parts are poo-poo:-(

Ryan

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Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

What exactly are you planning to use off that? The repop Chevelle piece works fine.

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Ryan,

That is a very nice original hump....keeping the integrity true to the car, well done!
I notice that and admire that [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

Dan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Ive used the repop, its not poo poo. BTW its not a hump, its a plate. Oldsmobiles from 64-69 didnt have &quot;humps&quot;.

<span style="font-weight: bold">I am still figuring out shipping........ Trying to be cost effective:-( </span>

The Chevelle piece is probably cheaper than that mass of rusty metal and cheaper to ship.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Speed-Tunn...g7&amp;vxp=mtr

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Mr. Harris,

Hump, Lump, Dump, Sump.....Ryan can call it whatever he wants to call it....if you cannot be nice and be positive of someone`s build....go some where else with your negative comments.

Dan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

I am trying to take my car back as close to Lansing Michigan March 12th 1969 as I can afford with my skills and with the immeasurable support I am getting from guys like Dan:-)

Items that can't be replaced with bolts later are more critical on my list, the shifter area is a different situation. I don't want to fix it perfect now as I want to try various shifters and someday make it perfectly original.

I am very interested to copy the &quot;hump&quot; and potentially help another Olds Resto in the process:-)

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Ryan,

You just keep &quot;Humping&quot; along [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

Dan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

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Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

WHATS NEGATIVE???? WTF. I gave him ADVICE on a cheaper alternative. Which apparently was a big thing to him a few posts earlier. That piece of metal is a huge waste of time. Its rusty beyond belief. Is his plan to copy it? Well, someone already did and it works fine. How is telling the guy that negative????

It seems only YOU can give the guy advice. Again in a post below he says he is trying to put the car back to the day it was built. BUT wants to use an inline shifter and NOT fix the shifter hole perfectly the first time. Doesnt that go against his plan to make the car day one new????

This site is all about back slapping and atta boys. God forbid anyone tell the guy anything that might help or save him money.

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Jasen Ramsey......Again, you come across very negative....if you do not like this website and feel that we give too much back slapping and atta boys....feel free to exit and leave.
Play nice or do not play.
Give critics in Private, Give Praise in Public.

Dan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Im done. Delete my account please.

Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

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Hang on Dude also everyone as these stupid computers have a way of slanting typed words and thoughts from both ends at once.
I was wondering why Ryan wants to ship this chunk of steel across the country myself so understood what Dude was posting and didn't think of it as so harsh when I read it?
I for one appreciate Dude's usual input here also he's a Olds brother too so sorry, but I'm not Ok to see him step off the bus without saying something...especially over this!
Although not part of any back slappin' crowd, what I love best about this site is the collective knowledge that's openly shared here...so please shift this rig into reverse Ryan and let's all try to get this thread back on the rails!
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~ Pete