Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

I packed up my original distributor, and looked at the cap and wires.

I love this original stuff!!

I have never seen date coded wires before, but I assume these are them?

Ryan

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Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Good stuff indeed Ryan. The archaeology part of this process can be FUN!

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Cool - put them on the original parts shelf / story [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

Dan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

1Q-69
What is the build time on your trim tag?

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

an Ayr is also a small town on highway 97 just east of Galt, now called Cambridge. The street racers that cruised King St. in Kitchener and met at Tim Horton's coffee shop on Ottawa St. raced on #97 outside Ayr but mostly on Wellington St. I remember a very hot W30 '70 442 that was around but not Ryan's W31. The W30
Raced at Cayuga in the early '80s and was sponsored by Bennett's Chev/Olds in Cambridge. I never raced #97
but watched several races, I was a Wellington St. racer. The last time I drove my high school car, an SC/360
clone, was on Wellington St. at about 2.30 am racing a very hot black Duster with a 340 and 456 gears. I could keep up but the gear got him away first and I could not get past his back bumper....The best part was
getting a ride back to Tim's in a '69 Black 69 El Camino SS 396 bench seat 4 speed. The 360 poked a hole in the block in 3rd gear, and was never fixed.

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DW31S</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1Q-69
What is the build time on your trim tag? </div></div>

My car is an 03B build date.

I am not sure how wire date codes work, but I will find and use a new set that looks like these:-) I saw a few sets this weekend so I know somebody sells the :-)

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RamblerDealer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">an Ayr is also a small town on highway 97 just east of Galt, now called Cambridge. The street racers that cruised King St. in Kitchener and met at Tim Horton's coffee shop on Ottawa St. raced on #97 outside Ayr but mostly on Wellington St. I remember a very hot W30 '70 442 that was around but not Ryan's W31. The W30
Raced at Cayuga in the early '80s and was sponsored by Bennett's Chev/Olds in Cambridge. I never raced #97
but watched several races, I was a Wellington St. racer. The last time I drove my high school car, an SC/360
clone, was on Wellington St. at about 2.30 am racing a very hot black Duster with a 340 and 456 gears. I could keep up but the gear got him away first and I could not get past his back bumper....The best part was
getting a ride back to Tim's in a '69 Black 69 El Camino SS 396 bench seat 4 speed. The 360 poked a hole in the block in 3rd gear, and was never fixed. </div></div>

Great memories!!!

Better get cracking on your SC360, there were a few at Martin this weekend:-)

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Parts!!! I got lots of parts!!!

I zipped down/over to Martin Michigan and met up with Dan Vasic (Who has been collecting parts for me:-)

We had a great visit and saw a bunch of friends from PSMCDR, MCACN, NOCC, you name it.

My arch rival (JOKE) Tom Miller AKA W31KILER had his fresh 1969 Buick at the PSD's and it was running very low 13's................................ the drive train I am building now will not be &quot;KILERW31&quot; but version 2.0 should be.

Ryan

I am good for exhaust manifolds and passenger side heat shields:-) (3 sets now:-)
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Dan restored my brake distribution block as a gift to keep my restoration on track.......I was going to paint it with chrome paint:-) (kidding I wasn't)
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Dan gave me these breather parts as well:-)
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A little gift from the DAY2 Shop:-)
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Check out W31KILER, this car ticks all the boxes!!!!!!!

Tom was sent and extra plate by accident so he has these on the front and the back, if another shows up I want it!!

Ryan

Chris Smetana(Has a W31)Tom Miller, Casey Marks(Had a W31) Tim Miller, Dan Vasic

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Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

What Ryan meant to say Is....

Chris Smetana(Has a W31), Tim Miller, Casey Marks (Had a W31) Tom Miller, Dan Vasic

We know you have parts on the brain [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

Dan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Oh I mixed the O and the I:-(

Bet that has never happened before:-)

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

All good Ryan....,It was a great fun day at the track

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Dan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Good to see you this past weekend Ryan. And good to finally meet Dan.

those bolts look familiar :-)
I thought you said the driver exhaust mainfold had the heat riser valve. do I need to check my eyes (it's possible)
Tom's 69 special is a STUNNING car. 14K mile car. I'll have my work cut out for me on my W-31, which is currently undergoing a frame off and WILL be raced the the Pure Stock Drags.

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looks like your distr may have a green(? or blue?) stripe above the casting number.
those original plug wires are probably junk. Fusick (among many other places) should have 1-Q-69 dated reproductions for you.

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Chris,

Great meeting you too [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

Will your W-31 be ready for this years Pure Stock Drags or in 2017?

What color is your W-31? You and Ryan will be a good side by side race....I have my money on the experience, sorry Ryan [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/burnout.gif[/img]

Dan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Great to see you too Chris.

Thanks for the bumper bolts, one more item off my &quot;spread sheet of fun&quot;

These manifolds came for California via Chicago, but no heat riser, I disn't ask for it and as far as I know wouldn't use one....... Aren't they for winter start ups?

I will check for markings on my pictures of the distributor.

Do you know how the date codes work? When were my originals made?

Ryan

PS: Chris' W31 is (correct me if I am wrong) North Carolina tar heals blue) Olds translation to follow:-)

Experience.......... Got to get me sum-dat!!!!!!

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Glade Green vs. North Carolina Blue this will be a nice photo at the starting line. I see Ryan, improving his times upon every run....and almost catching Chris. It will be a fun day [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif[/img]

Dan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Ryan -- the heat riser when partially closed will force exhaust gases through the intake manifold (usually under the carb) to provide heat for cold/damp conditions. That will prevent icing of the throttle blades, etc. Down here in south Texas there is probably no need for that mechanism. But in the northern tier states including Canada I would run the heat riser. That will cutdown on how long you may need to warm up the engine before driving. TAZ

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A Carolina Blue '69 W-31 may very well be a 1 of 1....as I have never seen another [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img]

Dan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: earntaz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ryan -- the heat riser when partially closed will force exhaust gases through the intake manifold (usually under the carb) to provide heat for cold/damp conditions. That will prevent icing of the throttle blades, etc. Down here in south Texas there is probably no need for that mechanism. But in the northern tier states including Canada I would run the heat riser. That will cutdown on how long you may need to warm up the engine before driving. TAZ </div></div>

That is what I thought it did, helpful even on cold mornings? Lots of people throw them away?

Aren't they a significant resistance to exhaust flow?

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Glade Green vs. North Carolina Blue this will be a nice photo at the starting line. I see Ryan, improving his times upon every run....and almost catching Chris. It will be a fun day [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif[/img]

Dan </div></div>

I can picture it now:-)

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

pic from 2009, when I was doing a little TnT. that's the original paint or whats left of it

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car is code 80, powder blue. paint chip chart shows it's a toro exclusive color. blue interior, buckets, console, am radio, rallye pac, TH350, 3:91 anti-spin. SSI originally, but I'm going to run SSII (I just like them better)

no clue when the car will be ready. I'd guess end of 2017 at the earliest.

distr dates codes are number for year, followed by letter for month, followed by numbers for day of the month. Usually they are to the right of the casting nbr. for example, 1C30 would be 1971, March 30.

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Thanks Chris,

Looks like she was strong before coming apart!!

How about the plug wire codes?

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A Carolina Blue '69 W-31 may very well be a 1 of 1....as I have never seen another [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img]

Dan </div></div>

it may be. I've only seen pics of one other 69 Olds A-body in this color. Car was missing drivetrain, but it may have been a W-31 also.

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks Chris,

Looks like she was strong before coming apart!!

How about the plug wire codes?

Ryan </div></div>

I had the original drivetrain rebuilt. 10.6:1 compression, built to PSMCDR specs. it's running the SSII with F70x14 GY PG. Oh and 4:33 gears :-) I learned a TON when the 400 for the GT-37 was built, so I'm planning to put that knowledge to use when a new motor for the 31 is built. New trans has already been done :-)

Plug wires - they are by quarter. 1 Q 69 is first quarter 69. 4 Q 68, would be 4th quarter 68. I think mine on the 31 are 2 Q 69 (going by foggy memory). Car was built 05C

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

That makes sense my car is 03B built first quarter of 69:-)

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Nice Chris.....I like the Fuzzy Dice :-)

Dan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nice Chris.....I like the Fuzzy Dice :-)

Dan </div></div>

ha. nice. I was going to point that out, but you picked it up

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

I'd ditch the heat riser, just make sure the choke works on the carb, you'll be fine. I started and ran my '83 without issue a ton of times with headers (so no heat riser) and a working choke in single digit temps. You get heat from the exhaust crossover under the carb anyways. The stock manifolds are already restrictive enough...

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 83hurstguy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd ditch the heat riser, just make sure the choke works on the carb, you'll be fine. I started and ran my '83 without issue a ton of times with headers (so no heat riser) and a working choke in single digit temps. You get heat from the exhaust crossover under the carb anyways. The stock manifolds are already restrictive enough...</div></div>

Good enough -- just takes a skoshi longer for the manifold to heat up. Another issue is when using stock exhaust head pipes, because the heat riser (about 2&quot; thick) was removed, now the pipe may be too close to the floor pan ... assembly will show what the clearance is ... TAZ

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If not using it, best may be keep it as the spacer but B'fly fixed open or removed and stem holes filled solid.
Is it flat both sides or tapered either?
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~ Pete

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PeteLeathersac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">-

If not using it, best may be keep it as the spacer but B'fly fixed open or removed and stem holes filled solid.
Is it flat both sides or tapered either?
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~ Pete



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Yep -- that will work Pete ... been there done that ... TAZ

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Thanks guys!!

I don't have one right now, and my head pipes were cut back to add header flanges, so I need to have them made over again or extended, plus I need an 18mm bung welded in one close to the exhaust manifold for tuning (lean/rich)

If all works well/fits well I will have the new pipe made longer to go without the riser altogether.

I assume blocking the exhaust crossover in the manifold under the carb is a good plan as well? I have a valley pan planned in the engine build (Makes sense to keep hot oil off the bottom of the manifold) do they come with and without cross over ports cut in them? (Also seems to make sense to keep hot exhaust off the bottom of the manifold as well)

Summer driving only, but some mornings can be pretty cool/cold.

Ryan

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I've run closed crossovers in the past -- again, the only worries would be colder/wet temps ... but if she is going to be a sunny day machine, block them off. You should be able to fashion thin stainless steel to cover the ports and not be visable on the outside.

Pete -- your thoughts? TAZ

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Been a while for me but don't some Olds intake gaskets include block offs for these ports?
Either that or already blocked as Ryan noted but maybe perforated to remove when using 'em?

Great chassis shot Ryan also LOVE the X-pipe!
Are you sending update pics to Al too or does he check in on this thread here?

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~ Pete

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

I've seen the &quot;restrictor&quot; plates with bendable tabs ... can't remember seeing any that completely block the port. But they're easy enough to make. TAZ

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Before you ditch the heat riser....I am sure you are checking the rules if you are indeed planning on competing at PSMCDR`s....also is your X-pipe allowed in the event rules?

Dan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

All good, no &quot;Stroker-Boy&quot; here:-)

Exhaust

Cast-iron exhaust manifolds are mandatory and must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed. Internal modifications to the exhaust manifolds are NOT allowed. Under no circumstances will headers be allowed, including those cars that came with headers delivered in the trunk. The exhaust system may be upgraded to a maximum of 2.5-inch head and tail pipes. Pipes must be routed as they were originally for the year, make, model, and engine combination. Mufflers must be stock looking in design, that is, oval in shape. No glasspacks or straight pipes allowed unless installed as original equipment. Maximum muffler inlet and outlet size is 2.5 inches. X &amp; H pipes allowed.

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Well done :-)

Dan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: earntaz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 83hurstguy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd ditch the heat riser, just make sure the choke works on the carb, you'll be fine. I started and ran my '83 without issue a ton of times with headers (so no heat riser) and a working choke in single digit temps. You get heat from the exhaust crossover under the carb anyways. The stock manifolds are already restrictive enough...</div></div>

Good enough -- just takes a skoshi longer for the manifold to heat up. Another issue is when using stock exhaust head pipes, because the heat riser (about 2&quot; thick) was removed, now the pipe may be too close to the floor pan ... assembly will show what the clearance is ... TAZ </div></div>

Good catch... I forgot the SBO uses the heat riser separate from the manifold.

Ryan, if you decide to block off the heat crossover under the intake, you can use these thin stainless plates in conjunction with a composite intake gasket in place of the turkey tray. Note that I would typically never ever ever endorse these guys for parts, but I believe they are the only ones on the market with it, unless you just use some thin/flat stainless. Do NOT use the cast iron plugs that hammer into the heads, they never stay in place and rattle around. The best option is really to pour them full, but that's a whole other discussion...

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The challenge with blocking off the heat crossover is that the choke will not like to work correctly (or at least will take a long time to fully open once the manifold heat soaks, which isn't good because it tends to cause the engine to run rich for extended durations). With the proper divorced choke carb for '68-69, there's not really an electric choke replacement available either.