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Ryan1969Chevelle

06-08-2016 01:23 PM

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe

Ryan1969Chevelle

06-08-2016 04:46 PM

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Ryan1969Chevelle

06-08-2016 04:52 PM

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe

Now the meat and potatoes:-)

Dished pistons, but condition is good, small valves, but condition is good:-)

Al bought this as a running engine "with a cam" half the head bolts were stinging tight and half were finger tight, some were painted and some were not so the heads were off before he bought it or during the installation a few high schoolers forgot to use the pattern to torque?

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All the rockers, and bolts, and pushrods, looked very good, just some surfaces with a tiny bit of wear in the normal locations such as in the bottom of the rockers. All even and all good.

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Ryan1969Chevelle

06-09-2016 10:43 AM

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I spent some time in the garage last night:-)

Removed the:

Water pump
Harmonic damper
Timing cover
Oil pan
And one piston and rod

Found the bottom end to be clean, rotate freely, and has been rebuilt previously. The Pistons are 0.030" over and the timing chain is a dual roller.

I was happy with what I have seen so far, looks like a fine candidate for rebuild and use.

Spent a good deal of time cleaning up oil off the floor, I couldn't drain the pan easily and missed the tray I prepared:-(

I will contact the machinist to see what dimensions I should check before disassembly, I took a middle piston out so I can check piston to deck height at all four corners, I also plan to check end play at the thrust bearing.

Ryan

earntaz

06-09-2016 12:35 PM

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe

Just a suggestion -- if the .030 out bore will not clean up or out of tolerance you may want to go to .040 out. Your machine shop can hone to that instead of boring to say .060. Also, if something were to "happen" you still have room to bore further. TAZ

DW31S

06-09-2016 01:14 PM

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe

Good suggestion. Oldsmobile stuff isn't as readily available as other brands, so "saving" a good '69 vintage block is a wise thing to do.

Ryan1969Chevelle

06-09-2016 02:22 PM

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe

Thanks for the suggestion.

0.040" would leave one more boring for future. (My the "interweb" I have read many accounts of sonic checking and boring 350 Olds up to 0.125" without issue so 0.060"-0.070" should be no problem next time.

Ryan

Ryan1969Chevelle

06-09-2016 02:40 PM

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Ryan1969Chevelle

06-09-2016 02:42 PM

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Ryan1969Chevelle

06-09-2016 02:45 PM

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Ryan1969Chevelle

06-11-2016 12:54 PM

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Had a work trip to Wixom MI yesterday and mixed a little pleasure with business:-)

I dropped a few parts in Wixom that will be taken to Chicago area for some love. Dan Vasic has agreed to slip a few items into his restoration ballywick for me:-) He has known suppliers for all the coatings and such, so I bagged up my jack, spare tire hold down, brake distribution block and bracket, and gas cap.

Thanks Dan for taking these items off my list:-)

On the way home we stopped at Inline Tube to get my next little order of parts and to switch out three items, as expected Chuck had everything ready and double checked:-) They have a very impressive business, not your average two guys and a stack of catalogues type business:-)

As soon as I walked in I had met the customer ahead of me at PSMCDR last year in the Pontiac "camp" Jim Mattison PHS and I had a nice chat:-) I checked and his driveshaft/pop can twisted by uber Poncho torque has been upgraded and his new GTO is ready for more drag race action:-)

I really enjoy the hobby all together, a chance meeting like that and nice chat makes me even more motivated to kick my cars ass at PSMCDR:-) Al recently shared some W31 tire burning stories and I plan to carry on where he left off in 1976:-)

Ryan

New parts:-) front wheel cylinders, outer tie rod, rear axle bumpers, some additional fuel line covering, brake clips that I lost, u joint straps, spindle dust caps, and rear exhaust hangers.

Ryan1969Chevelle

06-12-2016 02:24 PM

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Ryan1969Chevelle

06-14-2016 01:11 AM

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A few micro updates:

A FB friend in FLA offered up a spare manual steering box, which I would like for spare. (I am pretty careful not to buy stuff just to have it, but this is pretty reasonable).

I did a little more disassembly of the core engine.
Head gaskets measure 0.050"
Piston dishes 2.465 X 0.084"
Pistons 0.045" in the hole, the cast replacement Pistons have a compression height reduced by 0.015" and they must have not decked it much at all:-)
End play 0.007"
Timing cover is pitted under the water pump:-( I want the Dick Miller Racing split cover for cam swaps in future:-)

I received a partial quote for the main machining processes and a complete Comp Cams valve train, and the prices were in line with my spread sheet:-) I will visit again this week to firm up as much of the rest of the engine build as possible. Some decisions are made after disassembly of course but I will have costed out the worst case scenarios as well as best case scenarios. I get pretty aggressive in situations like this as "to my way of thinking" there is no reason not to do the homework upfront and make a good plan including costs and timing that works for both parties:-) I am sure my scope of work document forced a few potential engine builders to increase their verbal price by 33% to 50% when pen hit paper, and this although frustrating and time consuming is exactly what should happen, UPFRONT!!!!! No hurt feelings, and not at my expense.

Step off soap box, now:-)

Ryan

Ryan1969Chevelle

06-15-2016 12:17 AM

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I raced to the machine shop after work today to further discuss my engine build.

I received a quote for the machine work and a partial quote for the parts and they were in line so I asked for a quote for a long block rebuild.

I am waffling seriously, between DIY and pay an experienced tradesperson to do the rebuild and learn as much as possible.

I have a budget and if I can swing it I will go for the assembled long block.

I am confident in this machinist and his son in law works for me in a Millwright leadership role (he shared how detailed and passionate about engine building his FIL is and how he hires only the best guys). Also the parts he quoted so far were at similar cost to me buying from Summit Racing, plus exchange, plus tax, without shipping cost. I very much prefer to have the parts purchased by him in coordination with the machining and assembly..........

He is working on pricing the full long block rebuild and next week I will take my cylinder heads so he can look them over. My rusty W31 heads and my clean 310hp heads, not sure which to use yet.

I have been getting some last minute info from "Cutlassefi" on ClassicOlds.com he is a respected Olds engine builder and lots of guys look to him for advice so I jumped in line. THANKS Mark!!

Ryan

Ryan1969Chevelle

06-16-2016 12:44 AM

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I did a bit of reaching out today to make a plan for my distributor. RamblerDealer had a very good piece of advice, "I think you know the right person to set up your distributor in the circle of PSMCDR people you know" Very true, I back and forthed a few times tonight with Dan Jensen "Mr PSMCDR" and he has the machine to set up distributors and then switches them to Crane XRi and PS20 Coil, with stock cap, and date code wires. (I may skip the date codes depending on the cost)

I plan to do everything I can here and have all the parts ready and have it set up perfectly by Dan after PSMCDR and that way it will be ready before my engine is ready.

I may prepare my original and the extra distributor I bought to have a spare prepared?

Casey Marks and Dan Vasic shared enough info with me so I can prepare my manual steering box. THANKS!!

I am looking into replacing/restoring my manual steering rag joint with the horn ground in it..... TBD.

I have chassis parts to install but I need to look ahead and get plans in place for the next step and the step after that....... plus I need to learn how to do drum brakes:-) I have a bit of information to get started so I may get some done Sunday afternoon..... after getting spoiled for Fathers Day:-)

Ryan

Ryan1969Chevelle

06-17-2016 01:48 AM

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Jamie wanted an update:-)

So I gave him a four stroke lesson, he picked it up quickly.

Ryan

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Postsedan

06-17-2016 02:12 AM

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You need to protect that new work bench.....all the dirt and grease being soaked into that wood.....just not right in my eyes. Some nice gray paint would make that workbench glimmer [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

Hi Jamie [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

Dan

Ryan1969Chevelle

06-17-2016 09:51 AM

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Grey paint, on the list.

Ryan

njsteve

06-17-2016 12:17 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You need to protect that new work bench.....all the dirt and grease being soaked into that wood.....just not right in my eyes. Some nice gray paint would make that workbench glimmer [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

Hi Jamie [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

Dan </div></div>

That's not dirt and grease...That's an Alpha male marking his territory! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

Ryan1969Chevelle

06-17-2016 04:58 PM

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Nice!!!

Ryan

earntaz

06-17-2016 09:04 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You need to protect that new work bench.....all the dirt and grease being soaked into that wood.....just not right in my eyes. Some nice gray paint would make that workbench glimmer [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

Hi Jamie [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

Dan</div></div>

.125 steel sheeting is the best with about a 1" 90 degree up against the wall and down on the front. Slant the bench a skoshi to the rear so any liquid will drain toward the back of the bench. If you really wanted to get trick -- put small drain on the back side also. TAZ [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]

Ryan1969Chevelle

06-17-2016 09:28 PM

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That is a very nice idea.

Plan to see a picture of it......... In my garage........ In a while:-)

Ryan

Ryan1969Chevelle

06-18-2016 12:37 AM

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I bought a used manual steering box and rag joint.

They are down in Florida so my brother in law will pick them up and if shipping cost is reasonable send them to Kentucky to a fellow sYc "SNG" Super Nice Guy Van Hurst. if shipping is too much I will wait till my parents snowbird in FLA again:-)

If someone here is driving from FLA to OH to NOCC in Cleveland/Strongsville I am sure this little gear box would be great company:-)

Ryan

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Ryan1969Chevelle

06-20-2016 05:38 PM

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Update June 20, 2016

Not much actual progress:-)

I have been negotiating and researching and planning my engine rebuild. I am confident I will have a firm plan this week:-)

Ryan

earntaz

06-20-2016 06:07 PM

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Take your time Ryan -- remember, it seems there's never enough time to do it right the first time -- but there's always enough time to do it over again!! TAZ

Ryan1969Chevelle

06-20-2016 06:57 PM

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Fine advice!!

I have reverted from DIY self assembly to having the machine shop build the long block complete. More cost initially but the risk is high so I will learn as much as possible this time as they do the rebuild and go from there.

Ryan

earntaz

06-20-2016 09:30 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Fine advice!!

I have reverted from DIY self assembly to having the machine shop build the long block complete. More cost initially but the risk is high so I will learn as much as possible this time as they do the rebuild and go from there.

Ryan</div></div>

Are they going to let you hang around during assembly? That would be a learning process ... TAZ

Ryan1969Chevelle

06-20-2016 10:47 PM

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I have approval to take pictures and visit often:-)

I plan to share as much as I can, as I can't find much solid SBO information available for stock W31 builds. Lots of SBC:-)

Ryan

earntaz

06-20-2016 11:03 PM

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Great vector Ryan ...

PeteLeathersac

06-21-2016 12:48 AM

Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe

Hey Ryan, there's a County Garage Ayr Ontario Dealer item on eBoy as link below.
Don't forget to ask the seller if any chance of more stuff from there.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ADVERTISING-THER...=item3f6143db4c

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~ Pete

Ryan1969Chevelle

06-21-2016 02:33 AM

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Thanks Pete.

SOLD:-)

Also sent a note to see if the seller has more Couny Garage (Ayr) memorabilia

Ryan

Ryan1969Chevelle

06-21-2016 12:21 PM

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Thanks again Pete!!

I checked the fonts and phone number with my documents and they match up perfectly:-)

Pretty sure this will hang in the garage, can't see this matching the décor:-(

Ryan

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PeteLeathersac

06-22-2016 03:52 AM

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Cool you nabbed it Ryan, any luck w/ more stuff from the seller?
Maybe you can swap the Church picture for one of the car/Dealer building/Al Stager?
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~ Pete

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Ryan1969Chevelle

06-22-2016 09:05 AM

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Thanks again Pete!!

I won't be modifying it, I like original:-)

I have sent two notes about more items no response yet.

I want a dealer tag big time!!!

Ryan

Ryan1969Chevelle

06-23-2016 12:46 AM

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I received my County Garage (Ayr) memorabilia:-)

I like it:-)

I took a few pictures with the manual sleeve, shows the fonts they used.

Ryan

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Ryan1969Chevelle

06-23-2016 12:47 AM

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micro progress:-)

Patton Glade has a washer fluid container for me, and an NOS battery hold down:-)

Ryan

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Postsedan

06-23-2016 12:28 PM

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Dan

markinnaples

06-23-2016 04:33 PM

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What is "AYR"?

PeteLeathersac

06-23-2016 04:55 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: markinnaples</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
What is "AYR"?

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Ayr's a small Southern Ontario town, click here...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayr,_Ontario
Besides a few Movies being shot there, Ayr may be more well known now as the town where the GM Dealer County Garage was located and a young man named Al Stager ordered/took delivery of what later became Ryan's '69 W31 Post!
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~ Pete

Ryan1969Chevelle

06-23-2016 05:07 PM

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I visited Ayr and looked around last year. Very nice little town:-)

Al offered to take me around when I get the car going again, show me where he used to burn rubber:-)

Ryan

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