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Ebay did that to me awhile back. They ended about 50 of my auctions. I called them and they were able to put them in my completed auction category so I could click the relist button.

Jason

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Max,

You did not cause any trouble. Best of luck selling the car. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I think I had a COPO years ago with a BE rear dated later than the build date on the trim tag but it was the same rear date on the protecto plate.

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I think that was common with 06A cars and BE rears. Mine is that way too.

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If I am not mistaken the 06A trim tag was used for most if not all of June of 69...

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My opinion is that E-bay is like Dell customer support. They will just wear you down till you give up. Ebay has another white 67 Z/28 listed right now that is complete. Wait till a few days before the other ad ends before you decide to list your car again.

That why I buy Gateway.
Mark Sheppard

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Kurt, what happend to a '67 Camaro if it came down the line and somehow the count was wrong on parts.. like a 12 bolt rear for a SS and a important piece for a SS I would think...would the car go to the side somewhere till they found one??

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That's why the scheduler had one of the most important jobs in the plant. There was no room to set aside a car and all the incoming subassemblies that were sequenced to that car. If you pulled out the car, it would mess up the whole system - a red front clip would show up to assemble to a yellow car, etc.....

Body assembly dates are not exact and there's still several days until the car gets finished. So axles can be after the body date - but it's not common and generally happened only on months like 69 06A.

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Question: I worked in a factory wher we built combines CNH global. I understand that you didn't actually pull a car/combine off the line over an issue, but if there was an issue with a particular machine, it still went down the chain,( later timed push up stations). Those problems were then fixed in a repair area. Does this apply with car assy?
Would this also apply to line stock shortages, so a part might be changed out after it was off the chain? I understand the scheduler should have all these things in order.I used to work with these guys on getting the right parts to the line on time. Some were much better than others. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif

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thnx for the reply, one of those things that has bugged me for years wanting to know https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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If there was an issue, it might have been resolved by the repairman that worked in that area (as the car continued down the line) while the worker went to the next car. Else it would have been noted on the inspection sheet and sent to the repair bays.

Yeah, you sure didn't pull a combine off the line!! The Willow Run plant (now Hydramatic, next door to the Willow Run assembly plant) was the B-24 bomber plant - making 1 an hour. 100,000 parts coming together; now that would be something to see!

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Hey Guys..long time no chat...hehehe..

Well, I just had to run home to my computer to add a little flame to this thread. I just got home from my family "Easter Dinner'..a week late, but better late than never.

Anyway, My brother was there with his family and I had to ask him what is the "real" deal where he works. You see, he has been at GM for 24 years and currently works on the assembly line at the Wilmington Plant. He is line manager?? I think??

I mentioned my car. And I got to asking him about the VINs, and the procedures at the plant now. He actually was stamping (actually said it is a scribing machine)the VINS on the blocks and putting the VIN plates in the Saturn cars recently. He even said the machine has an X for if you make a mistake..and then it puts a number below...same as the old days..real interesting stuff..a security guard gives him 50 VINs and exactly 100 rivets...he has to double count them..then he has to return them to the security guard during every break to be locked away...he also talked about the prototype soltise hardtops they recently made...pilot cars!! really cool hearing this stuff from my own brother...after this thread!!

Obviously a lot has changed since back in the day. But I asked my Brother about if there was ever a time when a part is not there for a car..or something goes wrong..if the cars just continue down the line or what?? Could a VIN be out of sequence because of something like that.

He works on the trim line of the Saturn solstice..he said rather often the cars continue down the line with a missing part and then they play catch up, BUT...he said at any given moment there are up to 20 cars pulled off the line in his department alone ..and for up to a few months...beause of a defect or lack of a part...he went on to say how the car has a paper sheet attached and they can tell if it is a dealer order, a customer order, an import, or a fleet order...and if it is a dealer order, they will ship the car without a certain option, but if it is a customer order, it could sit and wait for up to 2 months waiting for a part.."getting all dusty in the corner". He said cars "get lost" in there...

He also talked about at times if there is a bad defect like a bad throw-out bearing, someone will park(hide) the car way out in the lot so it gets lost for a while before they have to repair it. He said it depends how bad the defect is on how quick they want to repair it and put the car back on the line.

I mentioned that there is supposed to be a guy that makes sure all the parts are there before they begin the cars...my brother said "yeh right...there IS a guy alright!!! hahaha"...

He also said that he would assume it was worse back then in 1967 because now everything is computerized and bar coded..don't know??

Anyway...but thats whats happening now at GM assembly lines!!!

BTW The possibly "last ordered" 67 Z-28 is being relisted tonight!! hehehe

thanks again SYC Max

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interesting Max...call your bro and ask this specific question "what happens if they yank a car going down the line...does it not mess up other parts arriving for it like Kurt said.. fenders,hoods,a certain color, and special options". https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Interesting stuff but don't most of today's lines operate w/ individual AGV units carrying each car that can be pulled aside without stopping the rest of the line and if that unit is pulled, parts scheduled for it get sidetracked somewhere too?.
This completely unlike the old days where there was no way to pull a car off the line as the whole line would have to have been stopped so they'd tag cars w/ problems and let them continue along for repairs later?.
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Well guys..got the car re-listed..still don't know what happened other than ebay made me change my password...anyway..here is the new link....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...E:IT&ih=017

I also called my brother to ask a few more questions about the assembly lines, but it seems he is on second shift now...I will try again tomorrow earlier!!

Also I remember my brother talking about stamping the VINs wrong on the motors and trans...he said normally they would have the trans or motor taken to a machinist and the machinist would machine the surface there and he would re-(stamp) the VIN..but he said there are times when the car got too many parts already attached to pull the trans or motor..and there is no room to apply new VINs with the motor and trans in the car..I said.."and so???"

My brother said..."O well" https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

...he did go on to clarify that..." he " never let this occur...hehehe

he said it did not happen much though..Thank God..but apparently there are old Chevys with original motors that have the VIN stamp on the block one digit off...

.....and there apparently still are!!

..just some insight to what happens these days at GM !!

Thanks again!! Max

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Max, Does the car has the correct sub-frame and steering box? Thanks and good luck! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Nope, most assembly lines are not AGV's, they are hangers like in the picture above.

And some plants have now worked out systems so they can pull cars off the line (and then all the subassemblies). Conceptually, a good way to be inefficient. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif

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Hey Mark...

I assume they are correct...are the subframes numbered or dated?? I know the 70 subframes are dated...but the early ones?? I know there is something about the large hole in front?? I will check the steering box and any numbers...are they special?? close-ratio or something?? I'm not such the expert on these things as you...maybe you can guide me on what to look for?? I'll be glad to check anything you'd like Thanks,

and good luck also, Max

p.s....you could eliminate all the suspense by hitting the buy-it-now!!! hehehe

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Thanks Max...I'm not holding my breath...but you never know https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif

The steering box is 5679142; pitman arm is 3908391; idler arm is 3908385; steering arms are 3902519 and 3902520. Here is some subframe info from the CRG
http://camaros.org/TopicsofResearch.shtml#1967Topics

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Mark,
I apologize, but I did not have a chance to crawl under the Z yet and check those numbers...I am pouring a concrete curb and sidewalk in front of my office tomorrow, and my Bobcat blew a hose today...So needless to say, I busted my A** with a shovel all day today...I did swing by the garage where I have the car stored on the way home and took a quick look...The frame seems correct and the steering box does has the correct part number...I did not bring a jack to get under the car...but I will go by tomorrow and let you know what I find. thanks, max

Also, I have not got a hold of my brother yet to ask about the assembly process...I will let y'all know when I here from him. thanks guys...

BTW..only 3 days left!!! Based on the response I've had, I think the car will probably reach the reserve...

Auction ends Sunday Night...THANKS SUPERCAR SITE!!!

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Bidding went to $30k, Did you make a deal and sell it?? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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No sale https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif yettt... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

I am considering separating the motor and the car...

...or maybe it's a sign from God to get off my A** and put the thing together...It is by far the closest Camaro I have to getting done...other than the "so-called done" cars...but, they're never done, are they??? Hell, Iv'e definitely had my cars too long now...the so-called done cars now need "redone"...AY AY AY

But I did have fun in the process so far...but TOO MUCH POPCORN!!... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

Thanks, Max