Re: 1969 NOVA SS L-89 ONE OF 311 UNRESTORED ORIGINAL
 

I'm startin to think someone else needs that Blow Tube on their computer. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

Let's keep it going for a while. It's been kinda boring lately................. except for this https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif.

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Let's keep it going for a while. It's been kinda boring lately................. except for this https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif.

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I could always start something....Huh Charlie? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif
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Ralph, I know a freelance photo journalist who would love to do a
feature article on both your Rally Green L78 and L89 Novas for a
major magazine..............................Marvel
Comics..........All kidding aside, I believe we met at the Great
Adventure Cruise in Jackson NJ. you were nice to the people who
admired your Ford and I believe you to be a "car guy". It isn't the
first time someone got their tit in the wringer describing a car
they are selling. I'm relatively new at posting on this site, however
I've met many members at car shows and most would go out of their way
to help decipher your car. A documented L89 Nova factory or dealer
prepped would have to have iron clad paperwork to back it up and be a
crowning jewel to a collector. Without supporting docks your ship
will sink! Hope to see you next season at Great Adventure. I'll bring
the vino, the macaroni and gravy are on you! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I guess one jerk pays too much for his car on ebay last month and this is the result

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Admitting to the problem is the first step towards recovery!!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif

Seriously though 427King, check your PM's. I sent you one and have some info you might be interested in.

Re: 1969 NOVA SS L-89 ONE OF 311 UNRESTORED ORIGINAL
 

kind of reminds me of the MOTOWN days, sit back drink beer and watch the stones fly.

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What ever happen to him??? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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I call complete b.s. on this story. No manufacturer, then or now, would give two sets of heads with a new car purchase. No way.

Think of it like this-- When you dealer ordered your headers for the Z/28, did they give you the exhaust manifolds? Nope.

A dealer would have kept the L78 heads for warranty work, as dealers do now with factory-supported (i.e.: Warranty-friendly) aftermarket parts. VW does it with switched-out parts, Honda does it, GM does it...

This story is bogus. Don't believe it.

Aaah, the joy of collecting Chevys continues...

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A customer of mine sent my son this.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif I guess L88s fit in hummers

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I always thought the 311 production number was L89 camaros and novas combined,with unknown number for novas[if any at all]. Is that true,or was it 311 camaros only.?

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I have always heard/read it as being 311 Camaros only.

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311 L-89 Camaros is pretty much accepted gospel per the Camaro reference books over at least the past twenty years. Here are actual page scans from four such books:

Big Book of Camaro Data 1967-1973 (1995) - Page 47
by John Hooper:

http://corvettes-musclecars.com/yenk...JohnHooper.jpg


Camaro (2002) - Page 55
by Steve Statham:

http://corvettes-musclecars.com/yenk...eveStatham.jpg


Gm Muscle Cars (2002) - Page 50
by William G Holder, Phillip Kunz:

http://corvettes-musclecars.com/yenk...derAndKunz.jpg


Camaro - (1995) Page 40
by William Holder, Phillip Kunz, Phil Kurz:

http://corvettes-musclecars.com/yenk...derAndKurz.jpg

What might explain the L89 Nova confusion is the excerpt below wherein the authors apparently confused Camaro numbers for Nova numbers:

Super Chevy's Nova Handbook: Restoration and Performance for 1963-1967 Chevy Novas (2000) - Page 10
by Super Chevy Magazine Editors:

http://corvettes-musclecars.com/yenk...SuperChevy.jpg

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The 272# for 1968 and 311# for 1969 was exclusive to the Camaro.

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Whats odd is that the 69 camaro and nova shared the same engine HP code suffix [JH JJ for example is 375HP for both cars]. Im not aware of any other cars being like that. Probably why some have assumed there were combined production #s ?

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In Ralphs defense, I have known Him personally for years, His Ford and AMC collection is concourse with one of the Finest R-code 69's in the world!!!. The information in printed matter is confusing to those not familar with the Bowtie especially with the 69 L-78 production as it lumps the total units produced. This is also true of the 70 model year for the L-78. I don't know how this car was rep'd to Him. I have never seen this car in person to check it out , I completed the sale of his aquiring a Hemi car last Year and He is straight up , on this matter just misdirected by another one of those supposed experts whose mother's, cousins brothers neighbor had one just like it. This site I beleive is to help those who don't know learn and gain knowledge from those who do. At times I see it as a Belittling to Newbies and Novices which just sours the Hobby, Its Ok to have Fun but there is a line that we shouldn't cross. Jim https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Jim,
You have me confused, which can be easy to do? 1970 Camaro and Nova L78 production is separate?

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In Ralphs defense, I have known Him personally for years, His Ford and AMC collection is concourse with one of the Finest R-code 69's in the world!!!. The information in printed matter is confusing to those not familar with the Bowtie especially with the 69 L-78 production as it lumps the total units produced. This is also true of the 70 model year for the L-78. I don't know how this car was rep'd to Him. I have never seen this car in person to check it out , I completed the sale of his aquiring a Hemi car last Year and He is straight up , on this matter just misdirected by another one of those supposed experts whose mother's, cousins brothers neighbor had one just like it. This site I beleive is to help those who don't know learn and gain knowledge from those who do. At times I see it as a Belittling to Newbies and Novices which just sours the Hobby, Its Ok to have Fun but there is a line that we shouldn't cross. Jim https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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All it takes is a few pics to answer the questions that have been asked several times. Nobody is judging Ralph's character here, just the claims about the car....

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Think of it like this-- When you dealer ordered your headers for the Z/28, did they give you the exhaust manifolds? Nope.


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Not trying to get off on a tangent but the above is not a true statement. A '67 or '68 Z-28 that was ordered with factory supplied headers, would have had both the exhaust manifolds and the headers supplied with the car. The manifolds would have been installed on the engine and it was up to the owner or dealership to install the headers themselves. I bought my green '67 Z from the original owner and it was ordered with the headers and the owner verified that he had the headers installed and he gave me the original manifolds and section of exhaust pipe which was removed to make way for the headers. They were like brand new. The original window sticker verified the car was a RPO Z28BD, which was a factory header and cowl plenum car. Both air cleaners also came with the car. The chrome open element one on the engine and the cowl plenum stuff in the box. No malice intended here. Just setting the record straight.

-Jon

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As I said earlier,

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"Lighten up. Most people that have reacted the way you have would have been blown off of here a long time ago. These guys are really only trying to help you out and/or are just interested in finding out the information. By now 2/3rds the muscle car community knows of this car and this sort of publicity is not doing you OR your car any good."

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"Moral of the story, the guys here are trying to help you NOT bad mouth you but you are not giving them much of a chance."

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Jim,
I do not believe anyone here is responding to Ralph "just to have fun". They have all been for the most part very sincere in trying to answer a few questions. The difference is when some of them (ask) the question it goes unanswered. Two things I have learned about this site. If you do not give https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif you will not get https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif back but rather very thorough and genuine information. The second thing is if you come on board with an attitude, you will likely no go very far and from what I have seen it really does not matter who you are regardless of how long you have been here, how much you own or how financially secure you are. People seem to treat others at face value. I don't think people purposely try to "belittle Newbies or Novices" but when someone comes on board with an attitude that they are right and everyone else is wrong, it is destined for failure.

That being said, they (the people with expertise) have only tried to help Ralph get to the bottom of his car and it's heritage and help him word the add in such a way that would have helped him sell the car not hurt it. Quite honestly knowing some of the guys that are experts on the Nova on this site and knowing their personality, I am very surprised that Ralph was not flamed out, tared and feathered from the get go. They are only trying to help!

Maybe it is just me but a lot of people seem to always be looking for an argument or a fight. When you look the other way and still try to help them it only makes them try harder to cause controversy. Read back on many of the threads here by some of the people that are no longer here and you will see what I mean. On the other hand we have also lost some very good people due to some being too harsh so it has to be a two way street. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Anyone who knows me know that I do not like controversy and try to get along with anyone and everyone but enough is enough! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif
Rick

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Have to agree here,ample time was given for damage control but the low road was chosen instead.Credibility on this car diminished propotionate to the longer the requested info was not made available.Moderators showed extreme constraint IMO.

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Think of it like this-- When you dealer ordered your headers for the Z/28, did they give you the exhaust manifolds? Nope.


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Not trying to get off on a tangent but the above is not a true statement. A '67 or '68 Z-28 that was ordered with factory supplied headers, would have had both the exhaust manifolds and the headers supplied with the car. The manifolds would have been installed on the engine and it was up to the owner or dealership to install the headers themselves. I bought my green '67 Z from the original owner and it was ordered with the headers and the owner verified that he had the headers installed and he gave me the original manifolds and section of exhaust pipe which was removed to make way for the headers. They were like brand new. The original window sticker verified the car was a RPO Z28BD, which was a factory header and cowl plenum car. Both air cleaners also came with the car. The chrome open element one on the engine and the cowl plenum stuff in the box. No malice intended here. Just setting the record straight.

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I knew you or Zedder were going to set him straight. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif

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Also the 68 nova & camaro https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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It's really too bad Ralph dropped the ball. .
I was hoping he was just mistaken and those 'experts' had simply confused things for him but thought he'd eventually come around? .
L89 story aside, with no response to the basic questions, for me it's left a taste of being doubtful of even originally been an L78 car? .
Too bad as it's a clean ship and the color looks great...especially w/ the steelies! .

http://www.santiagosc.com/Nova%20SS%20396.htm

~ Pete

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The CKO code as well as the CTY code was also used in the Chevelle and Elcamino in 1970. Jim https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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The CKO code as well as the CTY code was also used in the Chevelle and Elcamino in 1970. Jim https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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The CKO code was also used on the 1970 L78 Camaro and Nova's as well.

Rick H.

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Yes thats what I said about the production on page 7 . Thats why its confusing to some people. Jim

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I agree. This is a good looking car that would make someone really happy. "Just" being an L78 Nova would have been special enough for someone to pay good $$ for this car.

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I agree..Ralph seems like a cool guy and I know he knows his R code stuff...Just got a bit messed up and caught by surprise with the L89 stuff https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Here's the Nut https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h6...upportnuts.jpg

The rad opening:

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h6...oresupport.jpg

The crossmember:

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h6...rossmember.jpg

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Here's the Nut https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h6...upportnuts.jpg



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Marlin,
There you go..... showing a picture of my nut again!

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif Sorry to hear you just have the one https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif Sorry to hear you just have the one https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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That picture shows both of my nuts.... one is just lower than the other. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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one is just lower than the other. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif Not that uncommon. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/crazy.gif

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TMI = Too Much Information https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif

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one is just lower than the other.

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Isn't that a sign of an impending hernia? .

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/crazy.gif
~ Pete

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Here something to look at....

http://www.legendarymotorcar.com/home.htm

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Look under restorations at the L89 NOVA .

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I'm sure https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif they have Documentation https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif to back-up https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif their L-89 Claim https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif........After all, they are the Expert's https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif..........."Right" https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif

Ken https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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Looks like a New Jersey car? If I'm reading the plates right? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Several were asked to look at that car when we were at the Delaware Valley Nova Show in AC, NJ. The verdict was that it appeared to be nice SS Nova with some alum heads, no proof whatsoever of it being an L89 car.

I thought the car was briefly owned by the OCC shop https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

The car has been at Legendary for awhile, but there is still no proof. Remember, LMC will restore your car to your spec's, so if you say it's an L89, L72, L71 - that's what you will get. They won't authenticate it, or do your research for you. They are not a specialty shop, they restore many types of cars, so if you want a Nova that can compete with an SCW or NNN restored car - well..... send it to them https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

Personaly, I don't think there are any '70 L89 Novas, possibly '68 or '69's, but no '70's.

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Personaly, I don't think there are any '70 L89 Novas, possibly '68 or '69's, but no '70's.

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JH