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I don't understand.........

If the identity and location of the theif is KNOWN and the location of the vehicles is KNOWN, why can't the LEO's wrap this up pretty quickly???

Can someone please enlighten me!

Thanks,

Russ...

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Russ... I'm right there with you. Unless the person who stole the van and dauly truck is a different person who stole the cars. But even so, lock up the guy who stole the van and truck and maybe, by fate of luck, this clown knows the location of the cars and maybe the person who stole them too.

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Removing anything from the estate is a MAJOR "no no"...until the judge gives it the green light, everything is to *literally* be locked up, and under the supervision of the court/executor/public administrator...

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I did not know Larry but from what all of you wrote about him a great person has passed away. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif

It would seem the thief's identity is known. I do not understand why (if all or some of the Titles have been recovered) there is any confusion on whom has the missing cars. It would seem blatantly obvious that the person who had possession of them and the keys to the building as well as Larry's truck and mini van is the culprit. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif

I hope especially for the sake of his wife that the situation resolves itself and she can get on with trying to come to grips with his passing and start to heal.

This does bring to light that some of these Super Cars have become exceedingly valuable and means should be taken by the way of secure garages with security systems to safeguard them.

Ironically if the thief in this case had the keys security really does not matter.

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It appears to me the police have the info needed, But have to work with the courts and further investigate to make a solid case. You do not want to rush things and have them slip through the fingers of the law. They also may be doing surveillance or working with federal authorites. Also, please get a NICB report on those vettes in honor to larry. We do really owe him that! Roger

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Also, please get a NICB report on those vettes in honor to larry. We do really owe him that! Roger

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What all will a NICB report show?? Larry already knew and had proof both of his Vettes came from Baldwin Chevrolet. His '70 had the Baldwin/Motion documents in it when he bought it in 1974 and he got the tank sticker off his '69 showing it came from Baldwin. Larry's quest was for previous owners of his '69 to gather further info on it, pictures, anything else he could find before taking it to Joel to document as it actually being the Orange/Black car on the cover of 11/69 Cars magazine and Joel's prototype GT.

As for now we just all wait to see when and where his cars surface.. if ever.. Pray they do and in one piece. What happens to them after that will be up to the Courts. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/mad.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif At least we know that authorities are in possession of the titles to them now...

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I'm sorry. I didn't know Larry already knew both came from Baldwin. I thought that was information he was still searching for. As for the NCIB report, I had a cop friend in Chicago go in the basement and look up my '62 for me before they tightened up access. All it showed was the original selling dealer name, address and dealer number. If at any point in time a car is reported stolen, then the owner's name and information is entered along with that VIN info. That way if the car is recovered, the owner can be contacted and will receive his car back. It will be confiscated with no recourse from it's current owner.

Verne

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Larry c. Clain ....our prayers are with his wife and family

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Great pic of Pantera !!!

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I miss that son of a bitch...

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I did not know Pantera, my condolences to his family and friends thanks jp

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Enough of this drama already. Larry's computer and filing cabinets rifled through and his titles and keys stolen while people that are supposed to be his friends witnessed the entire thing and these friends continue to drive by these "stolen" vehicles that the police see fit to do nothing about. Did I read this right? Then if I did I'm sorry, because you're not selling me this story. There's obviously another side to this tale that we are not being told about. Larry told me in person recently that he had a kitchen fire and lost several titles. Why hasn't that come up yet? If by chance he hadn't transferred anyone of these titles to his name and then lost that title in the fire, wouldn't ownership revert back to a previous owner?

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Mercy.... I had no idea. Andy just wrote me to tell me, and I'm in shock. I don't get the newspaper here and had no clue. I haven't heard from him at all in the last year, so I don't know what happened and have not read all this thread yet. But I'm in shock of what I did read.

Larry was a great guy, at least in the last few years that I knew him. We talked a good deal a few years ago, and he was actually the only one from this board I ever met.

What a shame.

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I drive by the building on Sheridan once a week, and the last time I paid any attention he had the front entrance blocked by several difficult to move objects.

I have no idea what happened to his cars, but did take a cheerful grin at the bumper sticker on his web page.

I have instructed my brother and best friend years ago to come straight over to my house and get all my goodies out when I die. Don't morn, don't cry, and don't waste time. I don't want my Ex wife getting her hands on anything, and certain people to get certain things. I don't want greed of one person or the courts deciding who gets what. I have no clue if Larry had any such preconcieved notations, but that may be possible.

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Enough of this drama already. Larry's computer and filing cabinets rifled through and his titles and keys stolen while people that are supposed to be his friends witnessed the entire thing and these friends continue to drive by these "stolen" vehicles that the police see fit to do nothing about. Did I read this right? Then if I did I'm sorry, because you're not selling me this story. There's obviously another side to this tale that we are not being told about. Larry told me in person recently that he had a kitchen fire and lost several titles. Why hasn't that come up yet? If by chance he hadn't transferred anyone of these titles to his name and then lost that title in the fire, wouldn't ownership revert back to a previous owner?

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Mark, I have no idea who you are and frankly don't care. What I do know is the facts as I have laid them out. If you have a positive contribution, such as watching for the cars to "re-surface" or helping out by posting this theft on other sites and in publications, then that is fine. Please do so.

The items stolen from Larry's were taken - other than the titles and the pickup/van [supposedly for "safekeeping"] - after the house and buildings were thought secure by the court-appointed administrator. The return of the items was ordered and some were surrendered. All items taken were not known by the Sheriff's Department when the order was served. I believe the list is now much more complete and the person will be served with a detailed list requiring surrendering the items.

This response is an update for the readers of the thread who are concerned for the preservation of equitable justice.

As for your snide posts, Mark, as I pointed out, if you cannot be an aid to this, please refrain from depressing the keys on your keyboard. You are not aware of what has happened/is happening. Until you are "in the know" as Ed and I are, kindly keep your speculation to yourself.

By the way, Mark, are you more "in the know" [as your posts seem to intimate] than you could be by reading what has been posted about this scumbag theif's desecration of my friend Larry? If you are, maybe you need to be interrogated, as well. If not, keep your conjecture to yourself. It clouds the issue.

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Hey Perry, if you want to turn this into a witch hunt and threaten me with interrogation than we'll take this off-line. YOU HAVE A PM.

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Heard about this tragedy while we were at Gm Carlisle...very sad and disturbing. I spoke to Larry a number of times about his BB Nova and other hotrod issues. He did mention a kitchen fire in one of our chats awhile back. Hopefully there will be some positive outcome that sets things right. My condolences to friends and family.

wilma

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A little more right has been made.

Following the updates to the TPD, the pickup truck and the van have been recovered and the "other" party has been set up for a formal questioning and possibly to have the premises searched. I geuss it takes a while to get a search warrant. The detective in charge of this has been great in his communications.

Maybe through the questioning of the guy a few lights will get turned on and some questions answered.

Still have a lot of property to recover, but moving forward.

Thanks to all who have volunteered their help and condolences. It is greatly appreciated. Keep it up.

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Sorry to hear this my Condolenses to his family.May he rest in peace.Hope someone catches the thieves too.That is terrible.

Ray

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<font color="#666666">I'm sorry to hear about the untimely &amp; unfortunate passing of an internet friend.
Always having helpful words &amp; funny sayings.
Larry will be missed by all.
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BTW: Great pictorial done for the July frontpage. </font>

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Just a quick update... I spoke with the detective yesterday. To date the location of all of Larry's cars and parts that were stolen is still unknown.. They are working hard to find out who is responsible and following up on known leads and looking for new ones. So I'm just asking everyone to keep their eyes and ears alert should some new information pop up by word of mouth or something show up for sale in local auto traders or ebay or somewhere else on the internet. Thanks everyone. I have a feeling this is long till over...

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It's Lynchin Time!!

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just checked in here for the first time in a long time. Sorry to hear of the loss of Larry, may he RIP.

As for the theives, well enough has been said already. I hope the "wrongs" are "righted" soon. As fo info, is it possible to be able to use the satellite cameras to see if anything can be picked up? I read in Reader's Digest that they used the camera's to see if they could pick up anything "strange" in relation to the BTK killings.

Lon

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Are there any updates to this terrible situation?

Certainly, the importance of what has happened has not been forgotten. I just came back from SCR9 and have we all forgotten the warm feeling we might have had if Larry's cars had been there again?

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Are there any updates to this terrible situation?

Certainly, the importance of what has happened has not been forgotten. I just came back from SCR9 and have we all forgotten the warm feeling we might have had if Larry's cars had been there again?

Verne https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/ooo.gif

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Verne.. I'm trying to find out if any progress is being made in finding Larry's cars.. Unfortunately since I was only Larry's friend and it's not my situation, I'm not exactly the first person to get any updates to what's going on. I'm just hoping like the rest of you that this all turns out good with the cars being safe and justice being served.. But you know how fast the wheels of justice can turn........ https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif I just hope the cars surface..in one piece... I know the titles to them have been recovered.. I'll try and find out more and let everyone know.. Larry may be gone but he won't be forgotten. And I hope his Motion cars are recovered and made to live on in his memory the way he wanted them to be.. However and by whoever that may happen. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif

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I wish a story like this would be on the world news, justice must be served!

Larry Clain B/Motion collector dies/cars STOLEN
 

I spoke with the investigator who is handling this case, Rick Eberle of the Tulsa Police Department.. Nothing that was stolen from Larry's shop has surfaced yet. I sure wish someone who knows something would read this and come forward. I don't know what to say anymore at this point.. It's just depressing and infuriating at the same time.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/mad.gif

Moderators..is there a way to change the title of this thread from "Ok guys.. I have some super bad news.. Please help" to something like "Larry Clain Baldwin/Motion car collector dies/cars STOLEN" or something like that??? Maybe a new title on the main index page will get some new eyes looking at this thread and broaden the search effort.

And again if anyone has heard anything somehow please give Rick Eberle of the Auto Theft Division of the Tulsa Police Department a call or even cantact me if you want.
Rick Eberle's phone number is: 918-669-6560/FAX:918-669-6521

thanks everyone

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dear ed i am very sorry for the loss of your friend Larry. I just found out yesterday as I was browsing the boards (I'm new to this and get lost on these threads). I first talked to him over a year ago when another friend sent me a link to his quest for info on his cars. Prior to that I had no idea that the internet was used by car guys for so much info. So basically it was Larry that has connected me to this site and an incredible amount of people, info, entertainment and brotherhood. Though i was unable to help identify his car (I didnt start working in baldwin until 1973) we did share several communications and I found him facinating. I am also traumatized by the news of his cars being stolen, is there any news on this ( a current thread?)Does his wife need support? please keep me posted and know he will be truly missed. Chris https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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Have there been any new developments regarding the search for these two stolen Motion Corvettes?

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No new developments.. All the cars from his shop including the Baldwin/Motion GT Vettes and other parts are still out there somewhere STOLEN.. Larry's estate has been settled and as far as I know everything he had will be auctioned, don't know when. And his benificiaries will each get 1/3. Thats all I've heard. I've just been sickened by the whole thing and Larry's loss and what's happned to his cars has really left me in a place with little desire for this hobby right now.. He was a great motivator and friend when it came to these cars.. I have a room in my house where I have all my car stuff... magazines and books organized... model cars..etc. looks like a car library... and I ain't been in there in months... It's just not been a good year. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif

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My guess is that they may show up in a country that is far away from the long arm of the law.

Stealing cars and shipping them overseas has become a big issue.

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Ed,,,The only thing I know how to do is to tell you to be posative. Larry would want that. It is a tragedy that he has passed and a tragedy that his cars and belongings disappeared but also a tragedy that you are not living the way he would have wanted you to. I am going thru torture right now because my friend and partner in "Red Alert", Terry Carney is about as sick as a human can be and still be on earth. Cancer has hold of him and just doesnt want to let go. Terry needs posative attitudes around him at all times because its so easy to get down in a situation like that. I have actually found the whole experience to be much easier to understand and get through by being as posative as I possibly can. Hope this helps. Say a prayer for Terry as he desperatly needs it.......Bill S

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Bill- I know Terry and am aware of what has been going on with him. I have felt really bad about it. I just heard an update today and understand that Terry is convinced that he will beat it. This attitude is the best to have during a situation like this. I am rooting for him.

Sorry to changes subjects.. Ed, I agree with Bill. Larry would probably sock you in the head if he was here now. If Larry is watching he wants you to be happy. Try your best and in the meantime hopefully the creeps involved with the theft will get there's. I'd say that is my Xmas wish this year... Merry Christmas Pal. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I don't mean to sound down or negative.. Just haven't been thinking about the car stuff much recently.. My kid and other things have been filling my time lately. But don't worry.. I'll be back. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif And thanks guys.. Hope you ALL had a great Christmas.
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You to Ed and have a Happy New Year https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I'm heading to Chicago next week and I hope Terry is up for a visit. I know that he really wants to be in Florida for the big auction in one month. He still likes talking cars and that's a good sign.

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Hey guys... it's been almost a year since we lost Larry.. I just spoke to Perry (Larry's oldest friend) and he told me nothing has been recovered and it sounded like even the investigation is going slow or even been put on the back burner so to say.. I don't know what to do.. I was hoping the authorities and the people in charge of this would have made some kind of progress by now on the leads they had in the beginning.. That doesn't seem to be the case.. So what do I do at this point? How do I get the word out there farther on these stolen cars and is it to late to even do so? I was staying out of it to let the authorities handle everything but it doesn't seem like anybody is doing jack sh!t anymore.. Larry's estate has been settled.. Perry told me appointed crews where just taking things from his house and throwing them in a dumpster.. and everything Larry owned, that appears to be of any value by whoever the court appointed to judge that, is slated for auction. With the proceeds to go to the 2 leaching aged family members that crawled out of the woodwork 2 weeks after he died ... Some aunt and her 2 middle aged sons that tried to weasle in and take everything Larrys mother had when she passed away a couple years ago... people that Larry personally told me he disowned long ago.. and only 1/3rd to go to the love of his life that he never got the chance finish his plans with and marry. All I can say is this is a Fuking disgrace... But I feel like I'm caught between a rock and a hard place.. Would making this theft front page news just secure the destruction of these cars?? Would it secure their recovery? Would it do anything? I don't know what to do.. So I'm asking my friends for help..

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Try sending the story to Kieth Martin at Sports Car Market magazine. He sure seems like a real car guy and if he does a story on it, it may be picked up by some other media. Worth a shot right?? I would think making this story more widely known could only help to bring the criminals to light. Someone who knows someone must have heard or overhead something about these very rare cars being stolen.

http://www.sportscarmarket.com/about/index.php

Maybe an article in Hemmings as well??

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Ed this is without a doubt being caught between a rock &amp; a hard place.Front page news would probably be bad &amp; might have these cars parted &amp; destroyed.If the cars were recovered, who would probably retain ownership?I think the only way to get these cars back in one piece would be if somebody just so incredibly rich(that money just didn't matter &amp; had a greater love for the hobby) offered a no questions asked reward for the safe return of these cars(which of course would take major news coverage) .But who should the cars go to? The person who would offer the reward money of these cars to be safely returned in whole should recieve these cars! I feel this is probably a possibility or just wait and possibly years from now something just falls into place.I wish i had the correct answer for you about how to get back your friends cars,Jeff

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Good point about the chance of the cars being parted out. But is it better for the cars to be stuck away in a garage for many years because the person who stole them cannot move them or get the word out there on these cars in hopes of someone realizing what they are and that they are stolen??

I do not know the correct answer to this dilema..... I just hope they are found. If they are who do they belong to?? The relatives who crawled out of the woodowrk????

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What I do know is that the titles to both Baldwin/Motion Phase III GT Corvettes as well as several others were recovered and are in posession of the Tulsa authorities that are on this case. If the cars are ever recovered I'm sure they will remain "evidence" for awhile.. as to who owns them after that?? I guess that is up to the courts. I just know there is alot of my own blood, sweat and now tears tied up in both of those BM cars.. as well as a couple others he had me pushing around, getting dirty in and cussing at.... as Larry would well tell you if he were still here.. And I just want them found.