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The ’68 Funny Car thread has prompted me to enter this post. I am a member of numerous boards, almost never post (I don’t like to argue) unless it is in defense of a “wronged” car. I never quite seem to fit in as a member of any of the boy’s clubs. However, I am not a novice. I have been in the hobby my whole life and in the business over 10 years. I have been involved in the sale of many high profile Classic vehicles. I have also appraised/sold/brokered/attempted to sell/ or represented numerous race cars- Red Alert Chevelle, Arnie’s Judge, Nicholson’s Super Cat, Scavo’s ’65 Impala, CC Ryder ’41 Willys, Chuck Finder’s 33 Willys Replica Darkhorse II, Just A Lil’ Trip Willys, Pulsation Mopar,. Etc. This thread has prompted me to air 4 major concerns I have regarding the state of the market and hobby in general

.EXACT SCIENCE- Many in the classic car circles are attempting to elevate the documentation of Collector Cars to some form of exact black and white configuration. Granted, there are hundreds of fully documented, positively identifiable examples. However, there are also many lesser known vehicles falsely debunked for lack of “full evidence”. Truthfully, back in the day, the factory made errors, line changes, or some vehicles just slipped through the cracks. These vehicles were produced in an era when documentation was sometimes sketchy- the builders, sellers, racers of these beauties had no idea at the time the value would be elevated to such present day figures. Henceforth, to attempt to pigeon hole every vehicle is not always possible. This leads to the second concern.

DOUBLE STANDARD- I see many sites employing 2 sets of standards concerning vehicles. Many car owners are crucified for replacement trim tags, partial rebodies, etc, yet some of the high profile vehicles out there have undergone the exact same process.

SCOPE OF WEBSITE- Most respected websites began as mother sites for a certain select type of vehicle. Yet many have now expanded into documentation sites for all vehicles, sometimes well outside of the website’s expertise. Anyone can pick out a book in their personal auto library and offer an “expert” opinion. However, unless one has hands on experience with that particular car, I believe they should remain silent. I have seen many false opinions on many boards. I have also seen reputations questioned and sales sabotaged by false information.

MARKET- As an appraiser, I have a growing concern regarding the trends in the market. More and more investment quality vehicles are flowing to a relatively smaller pool of collectors. As in the late ‘80’s, early ‘90’s, the average person is being priced out of the market. As the smaller pool gains control, they have an ability to set the market. However, at some point, when all the high dollar collectors finish trading back and forth, selling, and buying, there is an inevitable leveling of the field that will occur, followed by some type of adjustment. When this occurs, the effect on the hobby concerns me. OK- Get out your chain saws and slice me up. These are just my observations.

Randy Paddock
No Fear Motor Sports Inc.

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Greg, The 67 car is a STEEL body car. They have doors. All cars after that are full body glass cars. I hope that answers your question door no door door.

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Jeff....see if you can dig up a 68 F/C in the Coke Cavalcade for me !

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I found some Coke Cavalcade photos from the 1970's.

Exactly what car are you looking for?

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Hey Jeff, great pictures you dug up showing the same 68 funnycar body. I think that shows there were a few of them running around back then from the same mold. But to my untrained eye, neither of the 68 DH cars that have been shown look like Tom's car. The lower rocker area appears to be very different on the 1st DH car(non opening door car) where Tom's lower rocker area appears to be identical to the Platt car and the others that Jeff linked pictures to. The height of the rocker and the angle it bends down and in behind the front tire don't match. But I know I'm not a funnycar or fiberglass expert so please don't throw anything at me. JMO for what it's worth.

I forgot I wanted to ask another question. I'm lost in all the information that is going around. Did I read somewhere in these posts that one of the 68 cars had the body removed and a 69 body placed on it for the 69 season? If so, would that have been the 68 with the open door? Sorry if I'm getting my information mixed up. I think this is a great discussion as long as we keep it civil.

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Here's a cool picture of the 68 car that Dave Libby posted, he is on the left.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...WT1/SEPT68.jpg

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I lost track waaaaaay back and am thankful I don't need to worry about it....sure am enjoying all the pics though! ~ Pete

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Here's a cool picture of the 68 car that Dave Libby posted, he is on the left.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...WT1/SEPT68.jpg

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Sorry but is that Car #1?

Also, I think Mr. Libby should be a "stand-up" guy and explain his apparent change in opinion.

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Pete, me too. Being an eye doc, I thought I said "which is better one or two", alot." My head is spinning at the moment.LOL.

All these cars look alike after while.

Rick, pour me a shot!!

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I debated about posting agian as I think the outcome will stay the same and I don't think the majority on this website will ever want to truly engage in a rationale, objective, jab free discussion about a members car..let alone THE head members car...When I use the term "you" in this post..it means a majority or the site..not necessarily one person..

I guess what I have always saw from this site, and heard and chose to ignore from other sites (and interestingly NOT just the 2 you guys are probably thinking of..hell not even only Chevrolet sites..remember if you like hi-po Chevies you probably also like other makes as well..) I finally saw firsthand. This time I can't look the other way...you guys (the majority here..so if "you" feel it applies then it does) are soo hypocritical....You slam and publicly pick apart guy cars that come here looking for answers, cars on Ebay and other websites that have NEVER been here, yet yuo feel teh need to stick your noses into their auctions, and in some cases make such a mockery of others work that it is sickening..How would you feel if some bozo's on SYC were slamming your car when you had no idea who or what SYC is???Yet when the critiquing turns inward you circle the wagons, make trite stupid post, refuse to engage in meaningful discussion, deflect all questions, and attack anyone that dares challenge your cars, views, or this stupid website..

Well no offense the last time I checked there wasn't a Jesus among anyone here..You guys come off like this how the hobby is supposed to be..when in actuality you are soo far removed from it in a lot of cases. It is supposed to be about having fun and being able to engage in discussion that teaches, entertains, and is meaningful. However that isn't done here..instead you put yourselves, your collections, and your pompous attitudes above others and it shows. Don't believe me..go to other sites and read some of the post..not from people you kicked off, but from people that came here looking for an answer or to see some really cool cars and read some of the post..I'm done with this website and the attitudes here..You guys are soo blinded that you validate and hold everyone's car to a higher standard yet can't do the same for a member..no matter who he is...All I've heard is how "those" guys were so bad..how they caused problems, etc..Well maybe they do and maybe they are asses who knows..BUT when THIS website and members here had a chance to apply the same attitudes, criteria,etc to a members car they couldn't..NO MAKE THAT WOULDN'T.....that is the travesty to me...the visible double standard that is here..

I honestly enjoyed meeting some of you guys..even if only through the internet..C. Lillard, BelAir Bob, Kim Howie (thanks for answering my questions..) and many more..

Here is an IM I sent to Tom earlier today. It is composed of 2 Im's I had sent to another very senior member here that I enjoyed chatting with and learned from.

Tom I'm actually not over my head, ad I'm very familiar with 'glass..The point I was making and have been making all this time is you are so focused on proving you have the DH car...the one the guy said you bought, the one you have marketed all these years, ets. that you aren't even being objective in looking at other possible cars. Here is a copy of a IM I sent to one of the more senior guys here, who I always think is objective..I'll give you his name if you wish as there is nothing to hide:

After reading all the post and trying to ask questions here is my take on it..

It seems IMO that there was 1 car....The one thing that I'm not sure has been done is take ALL the evidence and not just "sound bites" if you will and look at it from an objective standpoint. People are using pics..well are there dates on the pics..if not do they know where they were taken and then events can be looked up to find the dates..what are the dates of magazines...betweent the introduction of a new model year (body stlye) how much time is there to actually race..mostly good weather right..no winter..??? these are the types of things that need to be done and it sounds like neither Tom or anyone else has probably done that. The impression from Tom I get is he bought the car ONLY because he was TOLD it was a DH car..he even says so in his original threat..not wanting the other car..only the DH car. So he went into this automatically thinking he had a DH car..wrong think to do with a race car.

I've been around drag racing, as I'm sure you and many others have. I'm from the south.. Virginia actually where a lot of these types of cars ran on the match race circuit..These cars are much like NASCAR cars..the chassis's are pretty identical, but the bodies can have difference (as can the chassis's ) I'm not sure how many chassis builder's there were, but probably only a handful, same as bodies..so you get more than 1 or 2 cars looking pretty damn near the same..Remember competitve advantage? Take a NASCAR today as well as the current FC...they can and do change boddies, even between makes on the same chassis...

Back to the DH car..IMO there was 1 1968 DH car...I think what is being posted is actually the same car..just wearing different paint schemes as either damage, sponsors, or the racing year changed. Interesting I haven't seen where anyone has thought that maybe DH and Gibb as a result of their 1969 endeavors together might want his (DH)1968 car in a more "Gibbish" color scheme...look at the ZL1 and the "2nd" car as Tom puts it..pretty similar color scheme and colors.
I feel that the 1968 car started out either as an all red car with no roof, then went to the red/black roof (which in the pics actually looks like a vinyl roof..complete with a grain texture..vs. Tom's black paint), of course you can change first red/blk then to all red at this point until dated evidence comes in.. and finally as a result of the ending model year (racing season) and a new car/deal with Gibb (either money for the new car or commonality) to the late, burgundy scheme. I feel another reason the 2 car argument doesn't hold water is why would Dick, having 2 cars drive the Kirby car??? Aren't multicars indicative of a back up car...no need to drive someone else's car to meet comittments..

Tom has used his photos to try and say there are 2 cars..I would think if the true 1967 car..the one with the steel rear and more of a Pro Stock today, had a door which no one is suggesting otherwise, then wouldn't DH had wanted a door on his "new" 1968 car..after all he would have been accustomed to it and it could have been something that the car body builders were set to do..There is photographis evidence showing at least 1 Harrell car had a door..Tom is saying it is the later car..IF that is so why wouldn't his earlier car have one??? Makes no sense..The ONLY way Tom's 2 car theory works is if HIS body is the earlier car..the car he says has bolted in lights and roof...trouble is it doesn't make logical sense...Why would DH have a later car with a door, no door on the "early" 1968 car, when his 1967 car had a door as well..

2nd part in another IM

Sorry for the 2 parter...

Following my previous thoughts... If I'm not mistaken the Gibb cars were red (or I believe that is the way Lil Hoss is currently done)..red with a black vinyl roof..isn't it possible or has anyone even thought/researched if there was a tie between Dick and Fred at this point..We know that in 1969 there certainly was and what Tom calls "Car 2" was painted at some pont with a Gibb color scheme..why not have a similar color scheme at an earlier date...although on the same body. Why did DH paint a car..whether his only car or another car in the same scheme that was used by Fred Gibb... Tom says in some of the pics he is SURE there are 2 cars shown but the pics are very inconclusive at best..Instead of HYPOTHESIZING there are 2 cars he accepts it as FACT and claims his car is in FACT one of those cars..yet in his post he says he isn't sure there were 2 cars or that he even owns one...Since he claims not to have gained anything from owning the car..no notoriety, money or anything else..and hell Rob even sent me an unsolicited, somewhat caustic IM yesterday saying they don't..why not remove the DH name from the car and put retractions here and in the mags..stating he can't be 100% sure and rather than use the name he wants to error on the side of caution..What does it hurt..He can't and won't as this car is something he both bought as a DH car, with only a "someone said it is" for docs and without proper research, has stated publicly it is. Let's face reality..if he doesn't steadfast swear his car is, even though 10 mins of internet searching produces many cars that are extremely similar then he looks like an idiot and is guilty of what he preaches here about clones, recreation, and all that stuff..

I guess the biggest problem I have with this whole fiasco is the way it has been viewed..If someone other than Tom, both everyone's buddy here and the owner of the site , brought a 1968 FC Camaro to light and plastered "Harrell" on the side and said he had the definitve 1968 DH car..wouldn't the car and also they be scrutnized??? Hell "you guys" (the collective members here)..scrutnize cars daily..off Ebay, other websites, your own site...hardly ever a members car though. Can I do it and receive the same unbiased support through refusing to even have an open mind most have taken on here..If so maybe I should go find an old 1968 FC Camaro with a door, as we KNOW DH had one of those..not only by the photos, and movies, but by Tom's own admission..letter it as a DH car and call it as such..there is no burden of proof as there hasn't been with Tom..see my point?

It is so far out of hand now..guys I thought I had somewhat of a peronal correspondence with such as Steve Shauger are questioning why I sign a post a certain way..how crazy is that??? Unfortunatly it seems meaningful, educated discussion about a members car can't take place here..that is a shame. Sad as all I wanted was to find out what car Tom has and how he arrived at that conclusion...

Tom I have and alwasy will be somewhat on your side, as I truly don't believe you are trying to defraud anyone or use the Harrell name where it isn't warranted. However you need to produce the "as found" pics of the car. This is the only way to clear this up...I personally think it was very premature for you to put definitve statements on your car given both the nature of the car (an old race car) and the obvious lack of concrete documentation. Now that you have publicly said you can't prove 100% it is a DH car or that there were 2 cars in the first place..doesn't it make alittle more sense to retract the "irrefutable, definitive" statements you made and continue to make and do some follow up research. What if by chance you DO have another car..better to take the high road, then find out later. I will of course not be truly affected either way..but as you can see there are OTHER entirely plausible HYPOTHESIS, which is all you have to say YOUR car is THE DH car.

Repectfully,

G S Carlson

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Please remove my profile from your site. I would like to be able to come here and view post as there are some great guys with tons of knowledge. I do not to be able to post here or contribute any idea, knowledge or thought I have. This is my own wish.

Respectfully,

G S "Gregory" "Greg" "Gregg" "G Dog" (old Marine name..)Carlson..that's for you Shauger..guess it makes you feel better..get a life..you were much cooler when you were "Steve Shauger..Camaro guy" instead of "Steve Shauger Yenko owner"

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Mike, like I said it's a cool picture, I don't care if its car 1 ,2 , 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 9 or even car 51. I will not express any opinion as it is not my business and I don't have one, all I know is that I have learned a helluva lot about funny car drivers and some cool history. The parties involved are the ones who need to discuss this and preferably not in an open forum where the whole story may not be told.

Keep the pics coming as I said they are very cool !

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G Dog...

WOW you finally called your own cab...

Bye Bye.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif

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NHRA National Hot Rod Reunion 2003
Home > Articles & Stories > NHRA National Hot Rod Reunion 2003
NHRA National Hot Rod Reunion 2003

by David Dilbeck, Editor
GeorgiaDragRacing.com

(See, also, NHRA National Hot Rod Reunion Photos. Sorry, photo album is no longer available.)

WOW!

Where do I begin? The Reunion staff (Bob Daniels, Eileen Daniels, Steve Gibbs, Ryan Ono, George Phillips, and Yvonne Wagner) put together an amazing event.........

Larry Reyes and his wife were spotted and we had a short visit. I had met them last September at Sol and Anne Stewart's Old Drag Racer's Reunion in Panama City Beach, FL. It was good to see them again. Next, I stopped by Bob Gibson's American Racing Equipment trailer and met Tom Clary and Maurice Wiggs. They had brought Tom's restored Dick Harrell Camaro funny car to the reunion. Another fun time talking racing and restorations! While talking to Bob Gibson, I learned that Dan Storey had purchased the Hubert Platt Mustang funny from Georgian Donnie Reeves. Dan and his sons are the owners of Tennessee Thunder Motorsports (an amazing collection of Ford drag cars). I met Dan and later took Hubert Platt by to meet him and his sons. Photos were taken and Hubert was soon 'on stage' with his tales of drag racing.

Thought this was interesting and ironic. Here is alink to the whole article. http://georgiadragracing.com/article...nion-2003.html

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I actually like the G dog name. Instead of anyone telling Tom over the last couple years that they had doubts about the car, it appears they have spent about a years building up their case against it. It is too bad it happened that way. Is Tom supposed to refute all this stuff in a day or two ? Does that seem fair ? I'm guessing that if you allowed me a year I could probably make a pretty good case for the world being flat also.
Were there 2 67-8 Harrel cars ? The pics that are posted make me think so. I see pics of a car without opening doors and a narrow spoiler that Tom thinks is his. I also see a car with opening doors and a long 3 ribbed spoiler that Tom does not think is his but others think that is the one he is claiming. I don't know if Tom has a Harrell car, a Platt car or one of the many other cars that are now surfacing. What is the car that Tom posted with the stubby non 3 rib spoiler and non opening doors ?

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Exactly! In the beginning my two car theory was shot down because the experts said Dick's car had a functional door. Which I agree with 100%, I have seen the pictures and the video. But, I think any open minded can person clearly see that car-1, R/B in the color pics, on the lift with Libby in the magazine article, does not have a functioning door.

In fact, Mo asked Libby this, "if Tom's car was supposed to have a door, as you now say, how could you spend hours with the car and not notice that Tom's car did not have a door?" Dave's reply "Dick did not use it much".

Libby missed the door, but knows the spoiler is at the wrong angle, a brace is a tad off, etc.

To sum it up, the only person who should know more about the car then anyone, either has been forced to change his story or simply does not have a clue.

I would like to know which one it is?

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Another thing I'm wondering about in the picture below...*if* the car has a functioning door, shouldn't the interior tin work reflect that? I don't see any breaks on the driver's side tin? To get out with the door, you'd have to go *over* what looks like a pretty tall lower rocker tin, but *under* the cage's diagonal cross bar, and still yet *behind* the bulkhead and front cage bar...can you say contortionist?! Also, what kinda latch is that gonna use, 'cause a regular door latch ain't gonna work (no door jam)? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...WT1/SEPT68.jpg

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For now, I would like everyone to not focus on my car, but on the two car theory. Once that is settled, then throw my car into the mix.

Points to compare.
 One car real taillights, one molded.
One with functional door, one not.

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I know I'm seeing several different paint and sponsor setups in these pictures. And I can't really imagine how the opening door would really be set up on the one car. But if I assume I'm looking at 2 different cars it also looks like both were solid red at one time and both had the black top at some point in time. The latest picture shows the "Howards" in what appears to be black or dark paint but it appears as a light color paint in the other pictures. The "*" is in some pictures and not others. And there appear to be fender and quarter pinstripes in some pictures but not others. Would they have used Kirby's car and painted over Kirby's name for whatever race they needed it? It seems like way too many changes to be 1 car showing up with different paint/sponsors that many times but I guess it's possible. If there was any way to date the pictures it would help understand if there was a sequence as the car changed. But it's hard to look at old photos that could be distorted and the black/white photos that could be reflecting a gold or silver background as light or dark depending on the angle. Whhhewww, my eyes need a beer!

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Hey Rob...just a side note...the 66 GTO Grey Ghost was not a fliptop and had a drivers door...they used a fence gate latch !!! I cant figure out why there would ever be a door on a flipper...

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Mike Burkhart is another possibility...
(Can't see door blem due to the cars paint, but the spoiler matches.)

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Forgot about MB. From what I have read, his car was a twin to Dick's except for a working driver's door. Looking at him in the car makes it easy to see why the need for the door.

https://www.yenko.net/attachments/179...rt%2Cmike1.jpg

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I met Mr. Doran awhile back (he still lives in Pebble Beach) and it was great talking with him about the good 'ol days.he is so unassuming,you'd never know who he was.Great guy to talk to.

Speaking of F/C's,my dad built the first flip-top '67 Buick Skylark F/C called "Ingenue" and it was sponsored by the New York Buick Dealers Association.It was powered by a blown 430 ci Wildcat buick motor and my dad's shop was Brooklyn Speed & Machine.I found a photo of it on the 'net at NY National Speedway vs. M. Durham's Strip Blazer '67 Camaro.
I was just a kid but I remember when he picked up the body from F-Trends in Chicago in the dead of winter...that thing must have been 5/16" thick if it was anything! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif

Anyone heard about this car...? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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As far as doors go, I guess the reasoning is for a very quick exit during a fire. Those were the days before on-board fire suppression systems and I believe even Gas Rhonda was burned badly in a funny car fire. If you've seen the video of Dick's famous wheelstand in New York that ended in a fire, it's amazing how fast he gets out of the car!

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By the looks of that car I think he would need Hurst tool to get out !!! These guys were nuts !

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Those guys were Warriors!

...Adios "G Dog" http://home.mchsi.com/~angieknoll/drunk.gif

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I feel that the 1968 car started out either as an all red car with no roof, then went to the red/black roof (which in the pics actually looks like a vinyl roof..complete with a grain texture..vs. Tom's black paint), of course you can change first red/blk then to all red at this point until dated evidence comes in..

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Something else to note...the black "vinyl" top on the red/black car was a *spray on* type vinyl top...that is why it has some texture to it, but it was still painted on...that info was straight from Dave Libby himself. So changing the overall paint scheme on the car wouldn't have been as simple as a "mask it & spray it" deal...I'm betting it would take some time to get the vinyl roof area smooth...

Sooo...any ideas on the tin-work and a functioning door? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Since some folks are not buying the two car theory, lets see how the one car theory flies.

We know the car was all red, no spoiler, real tail lights in early ’68, in California.

Next it appears in KC , Red with a spray can black Vinyl roof, spoiler (no vanes) and real tail lights. And no door?

Fast forward to mid ’68, the car now has a spoiler with vanes (some one did a hell of a job with the vanes), the tail lights are now molded in (once again some one did a great job), a functional door, and beautiful tri-color burgundy, with lace paint job.

Now, according to the attached article, notice Dave Libby under the car that is still red/black, it says that the “The tri-colored burgundy on the new Camaro was sprayed by Corky Larson, of Phonnix, Ariz, Harrell’s original hometown. The car took eight weeks and $12,000 to compete and…


Now ask yourself these two questions. Would Dick do without his racecar, right in the middle of the race season, to simply have his car repainted, keeping most of the same sponsors on the side of the car, and B. would Dick have paid someone $12,000, in 1968 mind you, to repaint his racecar?

https://www.yenko.net/attachments/179361-1cartheroy.JPG

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I like the last part of the caption
"Since Dick has another similar car , he has appointed his top wrench, Charles Therwhanger, to drive the new car

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Based on that article alone it seems pretty clear there were two cars.

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Ok.. I've been watching all this and I have something to add... Here is a quote from Dave Libby taken from the Harrell site and the pic he posted.

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OK. As I understand it the owner has been quoted saying"thats my car."
That is incorrect. Altho it cannot be seen in this picture or at least clearly defined because the seam is hidden behind the blower/injector this car has a working door. True enough it was used very seldon but it was there none the less.
There is a video tape of Dick getting in the door that many here have seen
that I happen to have a copy of which just today sent to be processed into
some still pictures. The car in this video shows Dick getting into the car through the door
The so described Tri-color Burgandy paint on this car was done by Corky Larsen
of Phoenix AZ and is in fact that color in this picture. Also I might add the
much studied "Vanes" on the spoiler were added by Larsen when the color was changed on this car from red to the above mentioned color.

One more thing worth mentioning the "flaw" in the pass.side "door" where the bottom sort of juts out as if the door was not compleatly closed (bottom)
as photographed on the car in question. That "flaw does NOT exist on the car in the picture. IMO that is a defect in the mold the body was made from and
exactly matches Bruce Larson's 68 car Houston Platts's car
(body mfg by A&A fiberglass of Atlanta I believe). Not Fiberglass Trends of CA. or Fiberglass LTD. of Chicago

Well I fully expect this to be spin doctored but it does not matter truth is truth, even if it isn't what one wants to hear
Oh yes one more thing the similar car mentioned in the text is pointed out and is Dick's 67 car in it's last livery before it was sold to Bruce Neff (yellow/Blk)

Hopefully this will be my last post on this subject.

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I read things a little differently.. MY edits are in Red.

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And I will repost this pic again.. Read what I have circled in Red.. This is the 1st car.

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All right, another color debate! But since when is "tri-color burgandy" anywhere CLOSE to the bright red color w/black top as in the magazine article?

From Merriam-Webster: burgandy - a reddish purple color

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Here it is. It appears to be a darker shade then the one on the lift. And no black top.

I see three cars in this article. The altered WB '67, car-1 on the lift and car-2 burgundy.

https://www.yenko.net/attachments/179381-page1.JPG

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I see the same thing in these pics.. Also notice the wider sheet metal under the front bumper on the burgandy car.. (but I'm sure that was changed at the same time the magical trunk lid/spoiler vains were added with the new paint job..right?) btw.. what exactly did those vains add to performance?? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif

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BTW.. is there anyway you guys can increase the allowed file size for a pic?? I have to reduce the quality of the pics just to get them to post.. Can that be changed to allow for better pics??

Re: 1967/1968 Dick Harrell funny cars

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I see the same thing in these pics.. Also notice the wider sheet metal under the front bumper on the burgandy car.. (but I'm sure that was changed at the same time the magical trunk lid/spoiler vains were added with the new paint job..right?) btw.. what exactly did those vains add to performance?? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif

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Ed, looking at the red car on the transport truck there is not a spoiler, but something silver on the rear edge of the trunk lid, maybe a metal piece to attach/support a spoiler.?

With the vanes, part of the mold, too perfect and alike to be added later.

Think back to what I said early on. Car-1 was one of the first Camaros ever molded, in late '67, was racing in late Jan. of of '68, somewhat crude (heck, maybe even a flaw at the bottom of the door). I really think it should be called a 1967. This car replaced the stell bodied 67, this door handle, real tail lights, basic red with the black top to come.

Car-2 burgundy, was the new and improved 1968, with the tail lights and spolier (with vanes) molded in.

Funny cars and their development were changing dailey back then, a lot of times by trail and error. And who would be at the forefront of this technology, wanting to run what ever was current? Yes Dick Harrell, one of the funny car guys who bought a 1967 body only to see the 1968 bodies emerge 6 weeks Later. Dick would have wanted a new and improved '68. See below.

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Re: 1967/1968 Dick Harrell funny cars

Ed, use your photo gallery [hint hint]...

Re: 1967/1968 Dick Harrell funny cars